Diarmuid Martin may not last as Irish church savior says top reporter
By: Niall O'Dowd | Published Thursday, April 14, 2011, 1:55 PM | Updated Friday, September 9, 2011, 10:10 PM

John Allen is perhaps the most influential reporter on Catholic issues in America
As the senior correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter (NCR) in Rome he had a key assignment and broke many exclusive stories such as Rome's response to the American sexual abuse crisis, the Vatican's opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq, the death of John Paul II and the election of Benedict XVI.
Now based in New York, Allen is still a major figure in church coverage.
So his decision to visit Ireland and comment on the state of the church there, which he did in NCR this week, is an interesting one.
What did he find?
In one word anger.
In a few more words, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, the reforming Archbishop of Dublin is seen as the only hope for many Catholics there but he may not be around long enough.
He writes: "Anger bred by the crisis is never very far from the surface in Ireland, among survivors themselves, inside the Catholic fold, and among a broad cross-section of the general public."
He also talks about the extraordinary stature of Archbishop Diarmuid Martin,considered to be the last remaining decent church leader in Ireland because of his determined work to ensure that responsibility is taken for the pedophile crisis.
Allen says: "Although it takes time to catch on, there’s a striking bit of Catholic locution in Ireland. When someone refers to “the bishops” or “the hierarchy,” they generally mean everyone but Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin. In the abstract, one might expect the leader of the country’s largest and most influential diocese to set the tone for perceptions of the bishops. Instead, he’s seen as an outlier for his strong approach on the crisis, including his commitment to holding church leadership accountable."
He says Martin, who is now 66 has ten years left in Dublin but may be moved sooner
As a result he writes it could be race against time for Martin to impose his will on the church in Ireland
"At 66, Martin could be in charge in Dublin for ten more years, though there’s the possibility he could be moved in the meantime. (A veteran of the Vatican diplomatic corps, he’s occasionally tipped for openings either in Rome or as a nuncio in another country.)
The question is whether Martin will be able to institutionalize his vision before he eventually moves on, or whether ten years from now Irish Catholics will still be talking about “the bishops” and meaning everyone but Diarmuid Martin."
Allen returns to the anger theme throughout his lengthy article.
He cites a priest who was himself abused speaking out at a conference in Milltown, Dublin.
"At one stage during the Milltown conference, an Irish priest and abuse survivor named Fr. Patrick McCafferty began to shout while invoking the Biblical image of the “abomination of desolation.” An audience member asked him to dial down the anger, to which his heartfelt, and transparently honest, reply was: “I am angry. I am so angry, sorry.”
When he asked members of a protest group what would satisfy then , one replied it would be seeing Cardinal Sean Brady of Armagh in handcuffs. (Brady has drawn fire for his role in a church investigation in 1975)
Martin remains the only hope for many Catholics Allen finds. At the end of a TV program he took part in he says: "an articulate and well-known survivor seated next to me, Marie Collins, interjected: “He’s the only bishop who has the support of the people!”
Incredible but true in a country that once deified its clergy.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.howareya | Apr 26, 2011, 08:08 PM EDT
Why is everybody fighting? I choose to be a Catholic...leave me alone! You might choose not to be a Catholic...so be it. I'll leave you alone.
Tisovertheglen | Apr 20, 2011, 02:24 PM EDT
I highly recommend Karen Armstrong's widely acclaimed 'A History of God'. That gives equal measure, voice, unparralled schollarship and insight into how the Judaic, Christian, and Muslim Faiths came to be. While distilling the essence of their Scriptorums to the single thread found in all three Religions obscured by rhetoric--Compassion. No other woman has been applauded by Muslim Clerics (amazing in itself) The Chief Rabbi (similarly so) and Christian Theologians (ditto) on this documented honesty. An Oxford Graduate. Former Catholic nun. Unembittered I might add. And truly brilliant mind. Her two earlier works 'Through the Narrow Gate' and 'The Spiral Staircase' Memoirs in sequence make for a preamble to this now Classic search for Truth. Published about a year ago. Archbishop Dairmud Martin a man of this ilk in my opinion. Perhaps he too will walk away from the structures that argue the case against humanity. Pen a soul filled Memoir. An Irish Schollar with a huge heart.Where 'Compassion' has long since found a home. As the Article informs "..the only Bishop who has the support of the people" Interesting that the other Mitres have squirreled away to watch what becomes of him. Some no doubt annoyed he's still around.
eiriamach | Apr 19, 2011, 06:04 PM EDT
Jacersagain, it's not my place to reply to your comments about JuneAnnette, who seems perfectly capable of speaking for herself. Wow! Look at the detailed evidence she marshals in support of her statements at 12:14 PM. IC needs more of that, and less lashing out in unsupported sweeping generalizations. You may not wish to reply, as you say, but I predict that she will stand her ground. Her words remind me of another source of my anger: the Vatican's rejection of the Human Rights document drafted by the UN to protect the rights of LGBTs under civil laws: Archbishop Celestino Migliore, the Vatican's apostolic nuncio to the United Nations, as reported on CNS, said, "Laws must regulate certain sexual behaviors" (Mar 22, 2011). When religions play politics, they're more divisive than any political party could be. BTW: I'd never try to make an ex-Catholic of you, if only because I so much enjoy a good debate. (Heaven help me, and quickly cure me!)
eiriamach | Apr 19, 2011, 05:36 PM EDT
Jacersagain, on Mar 21, 10:24 AM, under "250 Years of Celebration," you wrote, "My sole basis for appropriate deliberate discrimination against the activities of LGBT people [is] the advices given in the Bible. Forgive the sinner, we all say, only God can forgive the sin. Anyone who flaunts . . . the Bible’s words, or anyone who encourages pro-LGBT agenda, does so in assumption of knowing better than God." Just as I was unaware of manifesting anger, perhaps you are unaware of your "deliberate discrimination"? That sounds like a contradiction in terms, but then I've suspected all along that you are not just as "simple" a "Dublin man" as you wish, in humility, to seem. My conclusion: I did not misrepresent your position. I do, however, approve of your allusion to Paul's words in Galatians 2:11: "And when Cephas [Peter] came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he clearly was wrong." That's the spirit of conscientious debate that Christians truly need right now.
jacersagain | Apr 19, 2011, 04:23 PM EDT
I’m going to step outside the personal addresses of this discussion and humbly draw attention to the Bible, Acts 15: 35-41. It may be slightly ironic for struggling Catholic, barneyjo (who, I’m now convinced is, like eiriamach and JuneAnnette, a woman) but my drawing attention to these verses of the Acts is not intended for barneyjo. It’s just ironic that the central character in the verses is Barnabas. >> In these verses, it clearly shows that St Barnabas and St Paul had one helluva row between themselves and went their separate ways (Paul musta been one helluva bollicks to speak and deal with; he also had a blazing row with St Peter, a row in which Paul emerged the victor and as a result of which row, I, a descendant of gentiles, am a Catholic this day). Yet, both Barnabas and Paul continued to preach Christ’s message. Some years later, it was Barnabas who was proven to be the victor out of his row with Paul, over Mark, and Paul acknowledged that later - in Tim, 4, 11. Likewise, I pray we who differ will continue to hold Christ in our hearts and, like Paul, acknowledge mistakes. I’m off the soapbox now. Like A/bishop Diarmuid Martin, I will not be the last to mount and dismount it.
jacersagain | Apr 19, 2011, 04:10 PM EDT
@ eiriamach I say that if one is a member of a club - say American Football, or soccer, Gaelic games, chess, Australian Rules, basketball, or bridge etc., - and participates in that club’s activities – well, isn’t one obliged to adhere to the rules of that club and its purpose? If one doesn’t, one can be “sin-binned” for reflection and repentance, or, for persistent rejection of the club’s objectives, one can ultimately and utterly be banned from the club and its purpose. So it is with the Catholic Churches... Please do not ever again attack me for trying to stay on the field of play, for trying to remain a Catholic, despite Satan’s attempts to use you and others, including media like Niall O’Dowd’s, to attempt to dissuade me from belief in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. It is not your fault that you were born a woman fighting for equality, any more than it’s the fault of men who have been loving husbands to wives and loving fathers of children to be denied by their wives the right to see their children and be a part of their lives.
jacersagain | Apr 19, 2011, 03:52 PM EDT
D’ya know what? barneyjo and meself must be telepathetic. Years ago, I joined a ‘Christian’ Chat Room on a website, naively thinking I was joining in with a Christian-minded set. It wasn’t long before I realised it was a most un-Christian site, such was the viciousness of the exchanges. One man, a US (non-Irish) Catholic, was constantly harangued but he was up to the task and I, like other Catholics on the site, rarely had to step forward to support him. I now know just how he must have felt being the singular target of attacks by those who, while claiming to be Christians, have rejected the Catholic Church and its teachings. This discussion under Niall's article above is also turning un-Christian in attitude but if I may brazenly say so, it is not on my part. As proof of that, I invite anyone reading these exchanges to re-read all of them and see the context in which I’ve made my posts.
JuneAnnette | Apr 19, 2011, 12:14 PM EDT
jacersagain . . The brazen attitude and complacent demeanor you exhibit in your comments in the face of the continued plague of licentiousness and decadence raging within the ranks of your clergy embroiled in a scandal of such magnitude that it shocks both the religious and irreligious community alike beggars belief. Your persistent Catholic public relations campaign fails to inspire confidence and your fanciful notions regarding your church border on the delusional. Do you honestly believe the morally and spiritually bankrupt R.C.C. has anything to commend itself in the present climate? You seem oblivious to the mass exodus going on in your church of “the formerly faithful”, no longer content to “Pay, Pray & Obey”. Those whose conscience hasn't been seared have seen through the smoke and mirrors and are leaving in PROTEST.***Article: 'German Catholics leave church in droves' / Source: Deutsche Welle / DW-World.DE / 06.04.2011 ***Article: 'The hidden exodus: Catholics becoming Protestants' / Source: NCR – National Catholic Reporter / Apr. 18, 2011***Article: 'American pews empty out as sex-abuse scandal escalates' / Source: theseniortimesblogspot.com / April, 2011***I would submit to you that those who remain in the R.C.C., now facing charges of “crimes against humanity” are the ones in need of counseling. ***Article: 'Write Hague Criminal Court Prosecutor by May 11 re Crimes Against Humanity of Pope' / Source: City of Angels Blogspot / Thursday, April 7, 2011***". . . Come out from her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Rev. 18:3)
eiriamach | Apr 19, 2011, 11:42 AM EDT
I repeat what I said below: we are living through a time of eclipse of Roman Catholic forms of worship, ministry, clerical integrity, and moral influence in the world. That's simply an undeniable fact of history. Those who call for reform clash with those intent on defending their "holy remnant." But we can witness these times with some grace and honesty and without shifting into attack mode over each other's choice of words. I am not angry at Jacers-- truly not!-- although I am angry at what Fr. Bourgeois and Sr. Elizabeth A. Johnson and the LGBTs and thousands of young victims of sexual abuse and women who try to follow religious callings, etc., have suffered through the actions of RCC churchmen. I'm sorry that BarneyJ picks up on that anger. Please just try to ignore the tone and focus on the content of my postings. And let other site visitors decide who **if anyone** is right and who is wrong in whatever debate is going on at the moment. It all serves a purpose, more heat than light at first glance, maybe, but the light will make its way through in the end.
eiriamach | Apr 19, 2011, 11:00 AM EDT
Jacers, you say that I've misrepresented your words and even lied; in the past, responding to such accusations, I've simply quoted your own words back to you. See, for example, Under "Irelands Census 2011 and Catholicism. . . " on Apr 02, 6:34 PM: "And yes, you do engage in a strategy of insults and threats to deflect the impact of the truth. You write, 'Catholics who deny the RCC and its mission, risk allowing Satan to perpetuate his evil work within the Church and being part of it,' 'eeejits like Paddy Duffy above who are so swamped by populist fashion that they can’t see the wood for the trees,' and 'unfounded hysteria,'" and I might add your insult ("brainwashed") to JuneAnnette below, Apr 16, 7:42 PM, and more. You are free to do all of that, surely. I would never in any way try to censor you. But I feel myself addressed by such "attack-mode" free speech; I find that I am morally compelled to respond. This is by way of explanation, not apology. If you will point out to me SPECIFICALLY just how I have misrepresented your comments, you'll have my apology. But it will not do to quote words in which you acknowledge moral failures of churchmen when elsewhere you insult those who criticize the moral failures of churchmen! And what harm can it possibly do anyone for me to refer to the "false gods" of ancient Greece and Rome or of the pagan Celts? Have some tolerance at least for the roots of Western civilization in the works of the ancient poets.
barneyjo | Apr 19, 2011, 07:35 AM EDT
@anybody - My oh my, but there seems to be SO MANY angry Christians posting these days!! I cannot detect Christs presence in any of them!!
jacersagain | Apr 19, 2011, 07:01 AM EDT
The post that should have appeared between 6.25 and 8.19pmEDT - (On reflection, it might have been too long for ICentral computers to comprehend and post) - Since eiriamach waits in jovial mood for my thunderous response, I start off in the same jovial mood, without referring to the false Greek and Roman gods - Jove, Jupiter and Zeus - that she calls upon in this simple discussion. Eiriamach had better get herself ready for this... (Jaysus, eiriamach! - just don’t expect me to TELL you how to get ready!) >>> You know that story in the Gospels about the crowd about to stone a woman for being a sinner? Remember when Jesus turned on the crowd and thunderously roared at them “LET ANY OF YOU WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!!”... Remember that? Well, the Gospels don’t have it... but word on the street (tradition) to this day has it that as the crowd skulked away, a woman standing behind Jesus, described by a witness as wearing a cloak covered in the sands of the deserts, roughly guessed as being in her late-40’s, stepped forward, picked a pebble off the ground in front of Jesus and daintily threw it at the ‘sinner’ lady. Jesus turned around, glared at the woman and said “I wish you wouldn’t DO that, Mom.”
jacersagain | Apr 19, 2011, 06:55 AM EDT
This post is belatedly and specifically directed at eiriamach: between my post of yesterday at 6.25pm EDT addressing barneyjo’s posts, which did not end with (...more) thus indicating I had no more to add in response to barneyjo, and the posting which arrived on ICentral at 8.19pm EDT, I had made another post directed “thunderously” at eiriamach which did not make it online. It did not begin with (More...) since it was the start of the post which did arrive online at 8.19pm ending with (More...) but was not posted online so my post of 8.19pm was actually the second part of the post that did not make it online, thereby throwing my post of 8.19 all out of line. I’ll try to post it again (if it appears, it’ll be above this post) and I hope eiriamach reads it as a first posting, followed by the 8.19pm post. If anything, I hope it shows how pathetic her latest responses are, almost slipping into JuneAnnette’s frame of mind.
eiriamach | Apr 19, 2011, 05:24 AM EDT
Palm Sunday, coming into Jerusalem, and I'm reminded: "I have come as light into the world, so that everyone who believes in me should not remain in the darkness" (John 12:46). For you, Jacers, does the word "everyone" really mean *everyone*? It seems to mean only people who share your "tradition," your doctrine, your beliefs, your sexual orientation, your dismissal of bible reading, and your insistence that only "men" can legislate morality and minister to the faithful. It seems that to your way of thinking, Christ's "everyone" is a handful of people very much like you even when you write about how many millions of Catholics there still are.
eiriamach | Apr 19, 2011, 05:15 AM EDT
Jacers, I'm guessing that someone at IC has been trying to please you because I see stories here about Martin Sheen's strong Catholic faith and Pierce Brosnan's. Someone is trying to balance out bad news with uplifting words, so be happy. There really is no need for you to complain about bias in IC's handling of news. It's painful to read many stories about scandals in the church, but there will be more, for sure, because prelates refuse to heed Christ's warning to the apostles not to be lords of creation but servants and shepherds. Now I must tell you this: after having spent much of my youth working for equal rights and justice, I have little patience left in my old age for those who arrogantly demean women, gays, evangelicals, any social group-- for any reason. If your religion tells you to disparage others, then perhaps you should treat it like the offending eye in Christ's words quoted by BarneyJ and cast it from you, for the devil is in it, and if you cannot recognize the devil, well, that's just a devilish trick, to make a mindless zealot of you. It's bigotry, no matter the source, and you ought to reject it. You hand out many criticisms in general terms, never or rarely backing them with any specifics; instead you simply cite your church's teaching. Teaching *explains why* you think as you do but is not and never can be a justification for or evidence of truth for others who are not already singing in your choir! So I ask you again to respect the diversity of visitors to IC.
JuneAnnette | Apr 18, 2011, 09:16 PM EDT
I don't need the props and pretense of Rome to worship my God nor to sustain my faith . . I am now in the company of those who “worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth” . . those whom Christ has called “the true worshippers of God.” (John 4:23) along with Richard Bennett, whom I regard as my dear brother in the Lord. I now belong to the “true church of Jesus Christ”, comprised only of those “born of the Spirit”, those of whom God speaks of particularly in Eph. 2:21: “In whom the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”***It is a spiritual temple and it is the Lord himself that “adds to HIS church such as should be saved.” (Acts 2:47) This is that church to which Christ speaks that the “gates of hell will not prevail against” and of which Christ is the Head!***“For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church and he is the saviour of the body.” (Eph. 5:23)***God uses the figure of a building once again, in 1 Pet. 2:5 where He speaks of His members as “lively stones” which “are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” Christ is the chief corner stone! (1 Pet. 2:6) - - JuneAnnette, a witness for Christ
jacersagain | Apr 18, 2011, 08:21 PM EDT
(...more) In this Holy Week for Christians, as we approach Spy Wednesday, our own unholy Thursday, our Christ’s ‘Good’ (wha???) Friday and all that reminds us of, as we approach our Saturday, wondering, like the Apostles and the doubtful, if He would achieve what he said He would do on the third day after his death, as we approach our Easter Sunday and all that reminds us of, let us as Christians be at peace with each other in the truth of Christ’s Passion for us all and in the truth of His Resurrection, that which proved that He was the Son of God, therefore of God and, thereby, God personified. Dogbytes might wake up and resurrect to the reality of Christ this week too. Amen.
jacersagain | Apr 18, 2011, 06:25 PM EDT
@barneyjo– First may I say that my post of Apr 16, 07.42pm EDT was not an answer to yr question on 01.01pmEDT – my words should have made that obvious but unreservedly, I give it now. On reading yr question, I immediately thought of Fr. Amorth, the Vatican’s Chief Exorcist and what he said last year about Satan being at work in Vatican circles. However, June Annette has correctly pointed to that, so no need for me to expand on Fr. Amorth. I do agree that Satan works against all levels within the Church. He tirelessly attacked St. Padre Pio after he received the stigmata. And then let’s not forget the biggiest person of them all tha Satan attacked – Jesus Christ Himself with those temptations in the deserts. > None of us are safe, which why we need to constantly pray for our safe guardianship in the words that Jesus taught us – “Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil”. There could not be a stronger defence against Satan’s attempts to inveigle our minds, since those words are directed to Our Father in Heaven. But I am human, am tempted often and I’m certainly no holy jacers! Yet, I retain my faith in Jesus and have no qualms about practicing that faith through the prayers and Holy Sacraments of our Roman Catholic Church, despite human faults within it. It is still one, still holy, still catholic, still apostolic and will ever be, thanks to Jesus’ own promise that the gates of hell will never prevail against it. That’s an absolute, so may I pray you, me and others Catholics angry with our Church stay safe with the Sacraments of the RCC.
jacersagain | Apr 18, 2011, 06:17 PM EDT
I regret to say that I will not be responding to any posts by JuneAnnette because it is clear to me that she is brainwashed and one cannot get through to such a person through internet posts. Indeed, it is frightening that she quotes bible words in such selective ways as to completely distort the meaning of the words in the context that Jesus, His Apostles and Evangelists intended them to be understood. It is even more frightening that she appears unable to make an original thoughtful comment of her own without recourse to bible passages, or books written by other human beings merely expressing their opinions. So I have to offer apologies and say sorry to JA but I won’t enjoin in further discourse with her posts (no one’s gonna miss me on that account!) But I will say to JuneA, “Slán, agus go mbeidh Dia leatsa agus liomsa le chéile” (“Good health and May God go with you and me together” - an old Irish way of saying goodbye and wishing well to somebody whose away and the one staying behind). >>> NOW TO THE SERIOUS STUFF - I’m a bloke but nearly in tears writing this – talk about abuse! Barneyjo has kindly reminded June that she may be another victim of the Koresh/Jones philosophy. JuneAnnette, get out while you can or make that phone call to save your own life for your own future - and not the one you’ve been brainwashed into. Is anyone waking up to the possibility that June Annette needs help? Does anyone know where she lives? And get there to JA before it’s too late?
dogbytes | Apr 18, 2011, 01:09 PM EDT
I always find it very funny to watch people arguing over interpretations of a fictional book. It's pretty obvious that stories of this Jesus character were vastly exagerated. You guys need to live in the real world.
JuneAnnette | Apr 17, 2011, 09:01 PM EDT
barneyjo . . An excerpt of a testimony entitled 'Knowing Jesus my Saviour . . By Dr Abraham Cutajar'. Entire transscript at 'Just for Catholics' website. ***EXCERPT: 'Just take and read the Scriptures. Then decide what is TRUEST to the Word of God:- What you have seen us do and heard us preach OR What you see Rome doing and preaching ?'Months of troubled searching in the Scriptures showed me clearly that the Roman Catholic religion is ALIEN and at times AGAINST the Word of God. To be true to my conscience I had to leave Romanism. Yet till the Lord took hold of me I clung to Rome with all my might. The Lord persuaded me to go and read the Scriptures I feared, Romans 3 and the epistle to the Hebrews. It was so clear. I read the Bible more and more, trying to clutch at straws. I found none. Purgatory, Marian devotion, indulgences, salvation by works, infant sprinkling, Peter going to Rome, Sacraments....I found NONE, none at all. Was the mass anywhere to be found? It is so central to Roman Catholicism. Did I find once an exhortation to go to Mass? No. Not once.Instead I found out about sovereign election by free grace, the ONCE ONLY Sacrifice of the ONE and ONLY Saviour Jesus Christ."
JuneAnnette | Apr 17, 2011, 07:40 PM EDT
barneyjo . . As I stated in my prior comment, "You are right both cannot be TRUE! Biblical Christianity is antithetical to Roman Catholicism. They cannot be reconciled" *** I would point you to an article entitled 'Remaining in the Catholic Church' by Joe Mizzi, a doctor and former R.C. who resides in Malta. His website is called "Just for Catholics". There are many other helpful articles there as well. I came across this site only a couple of years ago. His conversion experience tallies with mine and is summed up in this sentence from the article: "Yet others may be truly saved and yet remain for a time in the Catholic Church. Some do so for lack of knowledge. Later on they see the inconsistencies and contradictions between the teaching of the Bible and the Catholic Church and are forced by their conscience to leave. A genuine Christian should join a Bible-believing church to worship God with his brethren and for mutual edification." *** I did not leave the R.C.C. without much prayerful consideration and study of God's Word. However, after coming under strong conviction by the Holy Spirit, I was compelled to leave. May you know the leading of the Holy Spirit in these solemn matters.
barneyjo | Apr 17, 2011, 05:43 PM EDT
@JuneAnnette - this last post from you underpins the point I made earlier. You quote from scriptures to validate your "Absolute view" As a practicing (but struggling) Catholic I attended a Palm Sunday Service in my local church; a service of Penance and Reconcilliation which upwards of 800 other Catholics attended. In this regard I am reminded of Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them" So on the one hand, you quote scripture which says that Roman Catholocism is in violation of that same scripture, yet according to Matthew, where there are two or three gathered in his name, Jesus said he would be present; and I was present with 800 others to give praise!!
JuneAnnette | Apr 17, 2011, 02:26 PM EDT
Barneyjo. . . In reply to your comment below: “Which of you is right and which is wrong?” You are right both cannot be TRUE! Biblical Christianity is antithetical to Roman Catholicism. They cannot be reconciled. Time and time again it can be proven that Rom. Cath. Tradition contradicts the Scriptures.*** Case in point and in the context of the present Rom. Cath. clergy abuse scandal: 1 Tim. 4:1-3 “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.”****Mark 7:9, 13 v. 9 “And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” v. 13: “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”***
JuneAnnette | Apr 17, 2011, 11:37 AM EDT
Gearoid4 . . In reply to your comment: @June~Annette, the ex-Fr Bennett has obviously apostatized and had been caught in the clutches of a so called 'biblical' fundamentalist sect.*****From the article above: "At one stage during the Milltown conference, an Irish priest and abuse survivor named Fr. Patrick McCafferty began to shout while invoking the Biblical image of the “abomination of desolation.” An audience member asked him to dial down the anger, to which his heartfelt, and transparently honest, reply was: “I am angry. I am so angry, sorry.”*****From R. Bennett's Article: Biblical Unity or Papal Conformity?*****“Seen in the light of Scripture, the RCC Pope who claims to be Christian, clearly is one "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (II Thess. 2:4) The Pope of the RCC goes further when by taking to himself the title of “The Vicar of Christ”, he presumes to take the place of Christ Himself, teacher, shepherd, and priest. This also is clearly tantamount to “as God sit[ting] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The assertion is not simply made, for the Pope's law gives it teeth in exacting submission of mind and will and promising punitive action against those who fail to obey, as Canon 752 and 1311 document. He is the worst and greatest enemy of Christ who under the pretence of service to Christ, presumes to undermine His unique offices by covertly usurping His position and power.”
barneyjo | Apr 16, 2011, 08:21 PM EDT
@jacersagain - no, sorry,and respectfully, thats just to much of a pat and neat answer. I would suggest that you have no real reason to make such an assertion other than that or your own perceptions, or worse still prejudice. You are correct however in your assertion about me and my freedom. I remain a practicing Catholic, content and sure in my belief in the God of us all, but very disillusioned with the Church in which I was raised. As with JuneAnnette I would wish to restate my view to an absolute certainty in a knowledge of Christ, and in doing so, repeat my question to you already stated in an earlier post.
jacersagain | Apr 16, 2011, 07:42 PM EDT
All of JuneAnnette’s posts prove that she is brain-washed. May I suggest that she takes a lead from barneyjo.. and allow herself to be free once again.
barneyjo | Apr 16, 2011, 06:37 PM EDT
@JuneAnnette - thank you for your reply. I would wish to re-state my view on the adoption of an Absolute. For both yourself and Jacersagain, each of you claim to have knowledge of an "Absolute" Truth. Yet each of you are intent on challenging the validity of that absolute truth that the other holds. Which of you is right and which is wrong? Or could it be that you are both right? After all did Jesus not claim that where "two or three" gathered in his name, he would also be present?
JuneAnnette | Apr 16, 2011, 05:10 PM EDT
barneyjo . . In response to your comment: "but of course the same could be said of any Christian Minister that claims to know and speak the word of God."******No argument from me there. There are many "wolves in sheep's clothing" (Matt. 7:15) who "wrest the scriptures" to their own advantage. Christ warned that many "false prophets would rise and deceive many" (Matt. 24:11) . . and as you say, they are not relegated to a specific denomination. That is why we must know His Word in order to "try the spirits" whether they be of God or not. 1 John 4:1
barneyjo | Apr 16, 2011, 03:20 PM EDT
@JuneAnnette - but of course the same could be said of any Christian Minister that claims to know and speak the word of God. I'm thinking of examples like Jim Jones(?) David Koresh who have in their own way incited their followers to commit acts in the name of God that by definition would be totally against the very teachings of Christ in the first place. I have made the point frequently in many posts on the IC site as to the danger of taking an "Absolute" position in the interpretation of the word of God in Scripture. For example "And if your eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from you: it is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire" (Matthew 18:9) And again "And if your right hand offend you, cut it off, and cast it from you: for it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell" (Matthew 5:30) The point being is this what Jesus entreated us to; corporeal dissection as a means of avoiding the peril of eternal damnation? Did Jesus intend this to be a figurative or literal entreatment of his followers? Absolutes can be a double edged sword in my opinion!!
eiriamach | Apr 16, 2011, 02:05 PM EDT
I am jovially awaiting the "thundering response" that Jacersagain thinks my comments "deserve." His words remind me of Jove/Jupiter (Zeus to the ancient Greeks). Jove was the god of the thunderbolts, powerful weapons that he used to defeat the Titans. I imagine that Jove regretted his war sometime later, when the Romans made him the Patron of their great city-state and he finally understood the wisdom of having allies in a pinch. Those Romans could abuse even the gods themselves with their war-mongering and their laws and their endless cant about Rome being in charge of everyone's destiny. I wonder what kind of thunderbolts Jacersagain will be throwing in my direction and can I duck fast enough? My thanks to JuneA and BarneyJ for keeping Jacers busy with their discussion.
JuneAnnette | Apr 16, 2011, 01:12 PM EDT
barneyjo . . Good Point . . Article: Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican / Source / Website: The Times / March 11, 2010 / Richard Owen in Rome****** EXCERPT: Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy See's chief exorcist. Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon". He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia." He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot".
barneyjo | Apr 16, 2011, 01:01 PM EDT
@jacersagain - when you say "so does Satan know people’s minds and souls and he surreptitiously uses people" I assume you would include Catholic Clergy at all levels within the Church? And it not, then why not?
JuneAnnette | Apr 16, 2011, 11:20 AM EDT
jacersagain . . Wrong . . the brainwashing you refer to occurred in the 1st 40 yrs of my life! Judging from your remarks, it would appear you place a great deal of weight on man's rationale and intellect. This is the spirit of the world, or if you like . . the mindset of the world. Contrariwise, Christians are said to have the “mind of Christ.” (1 Cor. 2:16) Those who would be “taught of God” (John 6:45) are exhorted in God's Word to “compare spiritual things with spiritual” (1 Cor. 2:13). One can acquire an academic knowledge of religion, and yet be ignorant of a true knowledge of God, possessed only by those who are brought by grace into a real and vital relationship with HIM through His Son. This knowledge is communicated by the Holy Spirit, given only to those who believe and it is His Spirit that guides them into Truth. This I KNOW by experience. (John 14:15-17)****1 Cor. 2:10-11: “But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” “We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen. . . .” (John 3:11) “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” (John 10:27) I do KNOW the LORD . . whom to know is eternal life! (John 17:3)
jacersagain | Apr 16, 2011, 08:00 AM EDT
(...more) Unfortunately, so does Satan know people’s minds and souls and he surreptitiously uses people like Niall O’Dowd, some of his journalists and people like John Allen to attack the one true faith. I challenge Niall O’Dowd, once again, to turn his ability to spread news in the way that Jesus Christ asked and not in the way that Satan uses him to. As JuneAnnette might well know, St. Paul told the Galatians that turning the other cheek does not mean giving in to injustice, it does not mean accepting or living and believing in the popular, equality, journalistic fashion of the day, trying to please the hunger for something awful with headlines like “Diarmuid Martin may not last as Irish church savior says top reporter”. It also means fighting back against awful untruths. “Now”, St. Paul said, “does this sound like I am trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I should not be the servant of Christ!!” It was an amazing display of justified anger shouted by St. Paul. It made the Galatians catch their breath and listen.
jacersagain | Apr 16, 2011, 07:51 AM EDT
JuneAnnette (JA) is indeed blessed and I’m glad to read her input into this debate under Niall’s article above. Debate is about exchanging views but I can’t help but feel that JA has been brain-washed for the last 20 years of her life. I think she needs to get out more often, be a part of life itself and not be completely succumbed by words that were only starting to be compiled into a book some” 61” years after our Christ’s death and resurrection. Tradition existed long before the Bible and it is why it is such a strong, equal part of the Catholic faith. When I make my posts here on ICentral, I rarely quote words from the Bible; I don’t need to because I have explored the notion of Tradition and its part in our Christian belief. I write ordinary words and express thoughts as an ordinary man, just in the way that stories in Ireland are handed down by ordinary people, by families and friends through the years, centuries and millennia. Tradition comes from what people do, what they say (like through those handed-down stories) and what they practice on foot of time-honoured understandings. However, I am equally challenged to stand up and say that JA does not know the Lord, despite her shouted belief of that. None but the exceptionally privileged few do and that is by choice of God alone. It is, however, true to say that Our Lord knows us, every single one of us. He knows Niall O’Dowd’s mind and soul. He knows A/bishop Martin’s and he knows John Allen’s. (More...)
jacersagain | Apr 16, 2011, 07:43 AM EDT
I'll get back on to eiriamach's comments later with the thundering response they deserve. Meanwhile, I'd like to address JuneAnnette's comments and in particular Icentral's position on Catholic matters.
eiriamach | Apr 16, 2011, 05:22 AM EDT
Jacers, it is ironic that you find nothing but a "trend of anti-Catholic sentiment" in IC articles about RCC. We are all living out a moment of history together, a time in which we are witnessing the profound eclipse, certainly the decline of, a once-great, global religious institution. That collapse is news, plain and simple yet sad to tell. To tell the truth about it is not to express a "sentiment," pro- or anti- anything. IC has a duty to report facts objectively in the public interest. You may not want to read or face those facts, but they are real nonetheless. You and other anti-reform Catholics who are reading from the same script in your postings will continue to complain while the rest of us take this history in and sadly note that you few refuse to glean any lesson from the failures of that much-beloved church or from its stubborn refusals to listen; instead, you foolishly blame the IC messengers for simply bringing you the news. It's arrogant to assume that IC has some special responsibility of biased reporting on behalf of you and your anti-reform cohorts that it does not have on behalf of others. Bí i do dhúiseacht agus ag bolú an chaife, a chara!
eiriamach | Apr 16, 2011, 05:19 AM EDT
Further, Jacers, it may be a matter of church teaching to you, but it is just offensive to me (and others probably) to read in your posting "the central core of Christ’s mission, its central tenets and His instructions to specific people (all men)..." It is just as painful to read of your "deliberate discrimination" against gays and your insistence that your religion requires these rejections of other human beings whom Christ considered equally worthy. You should expect that those of us who cherish justice, particularly we who have had to struggle for equal treatment, will object to such put downs, which remind us of the discrimination we suffered, which men often enough rationalized as "Catholic teaching." And then you flash the ultimate Catholic weapon in your words about your cohorts: "some have much Christian authority." Will you ever see how un-Christian, how anti-Christian, it is to assert "authority" when you have failed to convince us by appeals to fact, reason, and revelation? How many centuries had to pass before the pope apologized to Galileo for using "authority" to imprison him and suppress his proof of a heliocentric universe? And still RCC continues anti-medical science, anti-female, anti-gay, anti-Semitic, and pro-CENSORSHIP--and you help put these "anti's" into practice here while you plead for IC to censor the news.
eiriamach | Apr 16, 2011, 05:14 AM EDT
I'm also happy to hear from JuneAnnette. I respect her approach to dealing with IC posters. She replies reasonably, based on published evidence that anyone can find and examine. Does she see, however, that she's dealing with people (edmicca, Gearoid4 on another page) who cannot acknowledge that anything CAN count as evidence against their positions? This is the definition of fanaticism-- not faith-- but a refusal to take in evidence that might cast doubt on anything that they believe, even about their priests (mere human beings). It is a useful dialogue, however, because it makes clear to the rest of us how far beyond the pale of rationality they are. Jacersagain, I don't see any indication that IC is set up as a Catholic site although there are Catholic blogs elsewhere on the 'net. The Irish have known for millennia that a life lived in the spirit is richer, more gratifying, than a life ensnared in material values. IC does reflect that Irish cultural value, which many of us share. But it's time for you to realize and to respect the fact that many Irish have fled the Roman church to find that living spirit elsewhere, just as they found it thousands of years before the arrival of St. Patrick. We can no longer assume that a person of Irish heritage is Catholic. It's a diverse world out there. Please do not oppress us with your insistence that we must all believe the same as you.
jacersagain | Apr 15, 2011, 08:33 PM EDT
Hopefully it will be clear that, amongst others strong things, all I am saying is that if Niall O’Dowd, for whom I have great respect in many other things, chooses to use his ICentral website as a platform to unjustifiably denigrate and ridicule the same Catholic Church that he and I were baptised and confirmed in, then he and his journalists and cohort anti-Catholic respondents should be prepared to accept justified rebuttals. IMHO, Niall should ‘up’ the standard of his websites’ stories to be more reflective of wider factual matters, properly balanced. A former ICentral poster, who called himself Watchman, could advise him on that. >> It is sadly reflective of Irish Central that the erstwhile Watchman, a superb writer and thinker who made excellently-written and excellently-considered posts on ICentral, dropped out of contributing to ICentral debates because of the nonsense in most of its articles and ... worse!... because of the disgusting language of many responses generated by those articles. >> BTW eiriamach – I never leave a Catholic Church without lighting at least two candles burning during my private prayers, said totally trusting in Jesus, all responded to wonderfully in ways I would have never expected in my words of prayer. I also light scented candles in my home quite often... but those are for less spiritual reasons... :-) May God be with eiriamach, Niall O'Dowd, me and all of us... and stuff Satan and his evil cohorts.
jacersagain | Apr 15, 2011, 08:27 PM EDT
(...more) Yet, I am one of quite a few millions of native Irish Catholics whom some call ‘the silent majority’ – and I’m one of the few millions of at least one billion non-Irish Catholics everywhere on this planet. For some odd reason, I am spurred into not being prepared to see spurious anti-Catholic Church articles on ICentral go unchallenged - the ones trashing the goodness of my and our Christ’s Church with selective reports, plagiarised by Irish Central from other pointedly selected sources, for reading by perhaps many millions of Irish-Americans and other Irish-countries. Many other posters to these kinds of debates equally see the trend of anti-Catholic sentiment in Irish Central articles and stand up to say so too, some have much Christian authority, in case you haven’t noticed... [D’ya know what? -- I’d be wondering to myself, after reading such comments, if that person is a priest, a theologian, a nun, a bishop, a Cardinal or a normal living fellow-human being, an unrecognised living saint of God in our midst, writing on Irish Central?” saying these smashingly beautiful factual things.]
JuneAnnette | Apr 15, 2011, 08:09 PM EDT
jacersagain . . in conclusion . . I now can say in truth and with confidence that I KNOW THE LORD and this knowledge I have gained through the revelation of Jesus Christ given me by God in His precious Word. “And we know that the Son of God has come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.” (1 John 5:20) “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth. . . “ (Rom. 1:16) I trust in Christ alone who declared at the Cross of Calvary “It is finished.” (John 19:30) “and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins!” (Matt. 1:21) “But by the grace of God I am what I am.” (1 Cor. 15:10) - - June Annette, a sinner by birth; a Roman Catholic by tradition, made a Christian by virtue of the new birth!
jacersagain | Apr 15, 2011, 07:59 PM EDT
I had a bit of a chuckle when I read eiriamach’s comment below and the use of ‘weary’ in it. I think I was the one who used that word first in relation to eiri’s own (honest, but what I think is mis-directed) persistence in barking up the wrong tree and how I was growing weary of his/her flailing (yes, that’s flailing, not failing) attempts to justify what cannot be truthfully justified or attained – so the comment below is an unoriginal comeback *Bizzzz*. Jesus was wearied too - nice (or not?) to feel that emotion in common, eh? > At least eiri’ and I agree on the need for reforms in the way the Roman Catholic Church goes about its governance and all that entails. What does not change and what cannot change is the central core of Christ’s mission, its central tenets and His instructions to specific people (all men) and the belief in the Christ which the Roman, Orthodox and other Eastern Christian Churches, all with their roots tied back to the events in Jerusalem 2000 years ago, are charged by none other than Jesus Christ with spreading throughout the whole world. All those Churches have done and continue to do so. I recognise my limitations in being able to do that because I am just an ordinary guy, an ordinary Irish Catholic, so un-special you wouldn’t notice me in the street. Yet... (More...)
JuneAnnette | Apr 15, 2011, 07:36 PM EDT
jacersagain . . in conclusion . . I now can say in truth and with confidence that I KNOW THE LORD and this knowledge I have gained through the revelation of Jesus Christ given me by God in His precious Word. “And we know that the Son of God has come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.” (1 John 5:20) "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth . . . " (Rom. 1:16) “But by the grace of God I am what I am.” (1 Cor. 15:10) - - June Annette, a sinner by birth; a Roman Catholic by tradition, made a Christian by virtue of the new birth!
JuneAnnette | Apr 15, 2011, 07:31 PM EDT
Jacersagain . . I am 61 years old and was born and raised Catholic. Approximately 20 years ago a Christian woman placed a Bible in my hands. Like most Catholics I was woefully ignorant of the Scriptures. She knew I was a Roman Catholic but knew as well I did not know the Lord. I began to read and study God's Word from that day on very intently. Over time, the Holy Spirit, whose peculiar work is to guide men into truth (John 16:13) brought me under conviction of my sin and led me to true repentance . . a godly sorrow over my sin and a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. God' describes His Word as a living word . . the word of power . . the word of life . . the word of faith . . the word of truth . . the word of grace and it is that Word that has imparted spiritual life unto me. By God's grace, I can testify that I have been “born again” of the Spirit (John 3:3-6) . . “not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Pet. 1:23) So you see . . I have no doubts, but rather have found “peace and joy in believing” (Rom. 15:13) the gospel and now rest by faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ alone who has saved my soul to His praise and glory! I am no more in bondage to sin, nor in bondage to Rome, but have been set free in the liberty which is in Christ Jesus my Lord. (Gal. 5) “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32) “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” (John 8:36)
jacersagain | Apr 15, 2011, 05:56 PM EDT
@ glorybe1929 and @ June Annette – sorry, but I get the impression you are both Scripture-based Christians. Sad that... you both being unfulfilled. Taking Christian Tradition in harmony with Scripture is much more catholic. May I suggest you both go and get being universally catholic instead of being led by ‘protest’ teachers? Trust in Jesus’ own words, not your old Scripture class teachers’ version of them. Then you will be free of all the doubts you both have. I humbly add ‘Amen’.
glorybe1929 | Apr 15, 2011, 01:27 PM EDT
June Annette..Please keep writing! You are Blessed by GOD!
eiriamach | Apr 15, 2011, 05:14 AM EDT
Articles like this one help reduce the number of new abuse cases by shining a light on continuing problems in the church. Articles like this one keep the demand for reform and renewal sounding in the ears of churchmen who would rather seek their own safety and comfort than attend to the needs of the faithful. Quit complaining, Jacers; your endless complaints weary my ears. Wouldn't it be better to light one candle than to curse the darkness?
jacersagain | Apr 14, 2011, 07:19 PM EDT
A/bishop Martin is not the only honourable man in the Irish Catholic Church. There are a few bishops who have backed him up in his efforts to clear the rot, never mind the thousands of Irish priests, nuns and lay people who do so too. The solid core of the Irish Catholic Church will overcome this evil. If A/bishop Martin is “not around” to pursue this agenda, there will be enough of others ready to step forward to continue the task. Why don’t Niall O’Dowd and his other Irish Central staff ever write of the good that’s already here in the Irish Church and look to the changes of the future? Maybe it’s because if Irish Central didn’t write articles that gets people’s noses up, they would have nothing to write on at all. Why don’t they try sticking their own fingers up their own noses and see what comes out? Hint: Stuff you throw in the gutter, hence the term ‘Gutter Press people.’
Gearoid4 | Apr 14, 2011, 04:37 PM EDT
@June~Annette, the ex-Fr Bennett has obviously apostatized and had been caught in the clutches of a so called 'biblical' fundamentalist sect. His writing seem to be in the same vein as a Jack. T. Chick tract and hardly the unbiased contribution of a reliable church commentator. There is no doubt that much evil was caused by the predatory abuse of children by clergy in various countries as reports show. We are living through the fall-out from this. Much soul-searching has to be done at all levels of church before one can talk about regaining reputations lost. The only real anecdote to this is Jesus Christ and any reforms must begin from within the hearts and minds of both clergy and laity. Amending canon law or structures are meaningless without this.
ohrightyeah | Apr 14, 2011, 01:20 PM EDT
Diarmuid Martin is an extremely honorable man. But the institution of the Catholic Church has still not done enough to repair the awful damage it inflicted. If you just take the issue of compensation alone - and this is really not about money but it's indicative of the church's attitude - they struck an indemnity deal in the dying days of a Fianna Fail government back in 2002, it left taxpayers to foot all but 120m or so of the bill. When the abuse reports were published they promised to pay more over, but they still haven't transferred over the properties or monies concerned. Nobody wants to see a local convent shut. But this is the catholic church, one of the richest organizations in the world. The frame of one painting off the walls of the vatican would pay for all the compensation. But when it suits Rome, the church in each country is its own master, when it doesn't canon laws apply. Look at the ridiculous diplomatic excuses that were used to justify the Papal Nuncio's lack of cooperation with the Murphy Commission. Look at the many decrees, some of them in Latin so that most people would not be able to read them, ordering that abuse cases be handled in a secretive way. This is not a few bad apples bringing down the good name of the wider church. This is a very carefully managed and planned strategy on the part of the Catholic Church. Now that it's been exposed by the excellent work of the Irish inquiries, I can't see how the church can ever recover its moral authority.
Intercessor | Apr 14, 2011, 01:18 PM EDT
Every time I think of Archbishop Martin, I pray that God will richly bless him and give him strength to fight against the odds of surviving in the Catholic Church, without resorting to the need of playing "The Vatican's Survival Games." Archbishop Martin surely hasn't made himself popular with Ireland's bishops, and I imagine his open and critical candor is held in resentment by Vatican officials, as well. Pray for him as many believe that he is the only member of the Hierarchy honest enough to be our next Pope. No other member of the Hierarchy has any credibility with the people. Too bad, the men, who would have their knuckles slapped with a ruler if Martin ever becomes Pope, are probably too afraid of him to vote for him. Bless him, anyway!
JuneAnnette | Apr 14, 2011, 10:36 AM EDT
In his timely commentary entitled: 'The Root Causes for the Catholic Scandals and Sovereignty of God' Richard Bennett, Biblical Apologist and former Roman Catholic priest examines the scandal in light of Scripture. Visit the Berean Beacon website for entire article. Excerpt: “It is necessary to see the whole crisis in the light of the Sovereignty of God, and to discern the roots causes of what has become a persistent agonizing, and revealing wound. The doctrine of God’s sovereignty in the Scriptures gives us an exalted view of His purposes. By understanding the nature of God we both gain wisdom and understanding because, “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the Holy is understanding.”3 God is the Father and fountain of all good. He is not, cannot be, the author or advocate of anything that is evil. He is acknowledged as the cause and spring of every thing that is good, in the words of Scripture, “Every good and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights.” 4 However since God controls all things, this means that evil is also under the control of God. He has, in His good judgment, decreed that the evil of Apostasy would have full dominion right through history for His own purposes. Apostasy and its evil fruits are included among God’s eternal decrees, made known to us in His Word of truth in the Scriptures. 5 In our own day however, it appears that Christ Jesus is beginning His end time’s judgment, upon the Apostate Vatican Church. There has come upon that Church an “evil … which you will not know how to charm away.” 6 A wound has come upon the Church of Rome that she just does not have the charisma to override.” 3) Proverbs 9:10; 4) James 1:17; 5) John 14:30, John 5:43, I John 2:18, II Thessalonians 2:3-12, Revelation 17,18, Matthew 7:15, Matthew 7:15, Matthew; 6) Isaiah 47:11