Bishop Magee did Vatican bidding by covering up Cloyne pedophile priests - VIDEO
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Bishop John Magee was carrying out Vatican orders when he delegated the responsibility for the pedophile priests in his diocese to an underling and allowed him to overlook the worst abusers.
One wonders what pressing tasks the Bishop had that were so urgent that he could turnover such a critical and vital task to an underling.
Now we know why -so the Vatican fingerprints would not be on it.
The Vatican has long refused to sign off on the strict code of conduct put together by the Irish church after the sordid revelations about the past emerged. The key one was to report all suspected pedophiles to police.
As a Vatican man, through and through, Magee was following Vatican orders.
The Cloyne cover-up began into events that happened after the worst of the previous excesses were in the public domain and the Irish church had issued new firm guidelines which included giving any information to police.
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Magee is a Vatican creation, however, secretary to three popes and a man on his way to the top of the irish church until some internal scandal derailed him and sent him to Cloyne instead. He was still taking their orders however.
We can guess what his own scandal was after he attempted to kiss a 17-year old seminary student and said he dreamed about him, a fact included in the Murphy report
But he clearly never forgot his Vatican roots. It is a place where the current Pope has much to answer for on this issue, where Cardinal Law of Boston, a notorious enabler of pedophiles was promoted, where Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin, the most courageous cleric standing in the face of this pedophile scandal, has been ignored and belittled.
The Irish government called in the Papal Nuncio in Ireland yesterday and demanded a Vatican response saying it was 'absolutely unacceptable' that the Vatican had intervened in Ireland and discouraged priests from reporting crimes against innocent children.
Foreign Minister Gilmore said what happened in Ireland was 'a totally inappropriate, unjustified, unacceptable intervention'.
'This is modern Ireland and this was a recent occasion of abuse of children and this was a recent intervention by Vatican authorities,' he said.
Once Irish governments would have quaked at the very presence of the Papal Nuncio, but no more.
Now the chairman of the Fine Gael party Charlie Flanagan, son of the most devout Catholic legislator in Irish history, Oliver Flanagan, called for the Papal Nuncio to be expelled
The nuncio's response was a polite buzz off, regretting the scandal but promising little.
Like the House of Bourbon the Vatican has learned nothing and remembered nothing.
Magee, now happily vacationing somewhere in America knows he has served his true lord and masters and to hell with the little children.
It is beyond cynicism and belief.
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eiriamach | Jul 24, 2011, 09:21 PM EDT
OK, the test posting went through. I'd guess that the IC filters suppress mention of that particular web site I tried to refer you to, so I won't try again, but yeah! there's plenty of evidence out there not only about the history T Swinford mentions, but it's still going on.
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eiriamach | Jul 24, 2011, 09:18 PM EDT
I've tried 3 times to post evidence that 2Bor challenged Tom Swinford and others to produce, but receive nothing except "comment sent," so this is a test....
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themurphia | Jul 24, 2011, 07:15 PM EDT
Go back to the IT Bread/bin dear your virtual village is missing you...!
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themurphia | Jul 24, 2011, 07:12 PM EDT
*Wiki/pedophile alert*...!
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eiriamach | Jul 24, 2011, 12:43 PM EDT
Some followup to the discussion below-- Writing Friday in the NY Times, Laurie Goodstein tells of priests in three countries, the US, Australia, and Austria, who are challenging the Vatican on ordination of women and non-celibates: "under pressure from the Vatican, the Maryknolls have sent the first of two required 'canonical warnings' that they will dismiss [Fr. Roy Bourgeois] if he does not recant. Father Bourgeois responded that if he recanted to save his priesthood or his pension, he would be lying. 'I see this very clearly as an issue of sexism, and like racism, it’s a sin,' he said in an interview this week from his home in Georgia. 'It cannot be justified, no matter how hard we priests and church leaders, beginning with the pope, might try to justify the exclusion of women as equals. It is not the way of God. It is the way of men.'” Also, "In Australia, the church was shaken in May when Benedict XVI removed Bishop William Morris from the Diocese of Toowoomba, where he had served since 1992. The pope wrote the bishop that the teaching barring women’s ordination was 'infallible' [a much-challenged view]. The Vatican had sent AB Charles J. Chaput of Denver (named this week to be the new archbishop for ... Philadelphia) to investigate Bishop Morris. The National Council of Priests of Australia, which says it represents 40 percent of priests there, denounced the dismissal, saying that those who influenced the decision 'have limited pastoral experience.'” --->Yep, chaos! What reform always looks like! Get ready for it, Gearoid.
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eiriamach | Jul 21, 2011, 07:18 PM EDT
Gearoid4, unless Christ handed a pair of testes to Peter along with the keys to the kingdom, I cannot imagine why anyone would think 'in persona Christi" means male- gendered. Or perhaps I have stupidly deluded myself all my life in thinking that women as well as men can walk in the footsteps of Christ. RC priests are male because the early doctors of the church asserted that women lacked intelligence equal to that of men and that women had a stronger propensity to sin than men. Recent church history, however, renders such claims implausible. Christ never ordained any priest, so the idea that Christ imprinted male gender on the priesthood lacks a basis in scripture, and as I've pointed out elsewhere, citing 'tradition' is not a reason not to change a tradition, but simply a way of saying that you will not consider any reason for changing a tradition. (There was once a centuries-long tradition of burning heretics at the stake, oh but RCC finally changed that tradition!) The priesthood is supposed to have nothing to do with sexual practices and thus there is no reason to reserve it to either males or females. But if the priesthood has something to do with power and authority, as you believe, than men do have a reason to reserve it to themselves, don't they?
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Gearoid4 | Jul 21, 2011, 05:34 PM EDT
Concerning your points regarding authority, Eiriamach, Our Lord gave the power as outlined in the gospel of Matthew to "bind and loose" which conferred the power of making or withholding decisions regarding doctrines to Peter, the rest of the apostles and their successors.
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Gearoid4 | Jul 21, 2011, 04:57 PM EDT
Thankfully the western nations in large part have made great strides in giving ladies their due both in terms of representation in parliamentary terms and increased mobility in socio-economic terms. Other parts of the world noticeably lag behind in the above regards, such as nations in the Middle-East(Israel is an exception) and Africa. The Church while recognizing the social advantages that have accrued for women, realizes as well the attributes which differentiate the sexes as well as complement them. The priesthood reflects this as the presbyter and bishop stand in Persona Christi(acts in the name or person of Jesus Christ) and thus can only be male. Jesus appointed only male disciples and the succeeding lineage has been male only in both the Catholic and Orthodox worlds. The Blessed Late Pope John Paul 11 in his encyclical "Sacerdotalis Ordinatio"(1994) stated that he had no mandate to overturn this as it has been preordained by God.
Intercessor, you question if Catholicism is true Christianity or not. Jesus handed the keys of authority to Peter in Matthew 16.18 and this certainly reveals the christian roots of Catholicism. Our Lord stated that the 'gates of hades' would not prevail against it. This did not mean that there would be an absence of grievous sins on the part of Her members, both lay or religious. We have seen terrible examples of this in recent revelations but if you go back to the first generation of apostles, you will see that their sinful weaknesses were very plain. Judas betrayed his Master for 30 pieces of silver, Peter the first head of the Church denied Our Lord in His hour of need thrice, St Paul the great evangelist was a former persecutor of christians. But the hour of the first Pentecost turned their spiritual fortunes around. Likewise the Catholic Church will not be left like a friendless orphan and will be guided by the power of the Holy Spirit.
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eiriamach | Jul 21, 2011, 04:46 PM EDT
Gearoid4, earlier (Jul 16 11:15), you misunderstood what I meant with the words "usurped 'authority.'" I did not mean what you took the words to mean: "You talked about 'usurped' authority as if those who have been ordained were put there illegally. It so happens that Jesus designated authority of Leadership to Peter and the apostles which was then passed down via the following generations of episcopoi (bishops) and priests (presbyters)." Actually, I meant something like what Intercessor wrote below, that Christ never bequeathed His authority to discern good from evil to any one human being, but rather imposed on all of us the responsibility to understand and live according to the Word. While the church may need priests, priests have no call from Christ to exercise "leadership" as you think. At most, their role is to "strengthen" each other. That sounds like friendship or counseling, not like setting up a hierarchy of decision-makers who decide essential matters of morality for others. Christ's words "No one comes to the Father but through me" tell me that popes and bishops get no special merit badges or points from God, that each is simply "son" or "daughter" and nothing more than finite, mortal human beings dependent on grace but at the same time carrying on the work of the Spirit in this world-- or turning away from it.
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eiriamach | Jul 21, 2011, 04:05 PM EDT
Gearoid4, you write, "Gospel values are timeless and will survive all trends and fashions that are current and yet to come." I agree that the gospel offers a timeless message, but I disagree, for ex., that the social, political, and moral equality of women is a current "trend or fashion." It is very much a gospel 'value.' Christ gave several examples of honoring it. Therefore, the Anglican ordination of women as presbyters and bishops is no "whimsical fad." It is the acceptance in history by the faithful of the full implications of the gospel, the working of Spirit in history. The Anglican Communion was not hindered in reaching this realization by any historical baggage of papal doctrine excluding women and finding rationale in the gospel for doing so-- as though Christ ever advocated discrimination or depriving women of full, equal participation in religion. I realize now that you are compelled to see such a development as a secular "fashion" or "trend" or "whimsical fad" rather than as a manifestation of gospel values because, for you, scripture was interpreted once and forever by a consummate human authority, and that interpretation can not only never change but also never develop or expand beyond the human decree given once, forever. In effect, the Holy Spirit can never do "a new thing," and Creation was finished and complete on the seventh day as recorded in Genesis, so we humans have no role to play in actualizing God's plan. To me, that's an impoverished view of both human history and Creation.
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Intercessor | Jul 21, 2011, 10:47 AM EDT
Sirpeter: I think that you need to distinguish between true Christianity and what passes for Roman Catholicism in our generation. I was a cradle Catholic. I am no longer a Catholic, because over 30 years ago, I came into contact with men, women and children, who knew that they could be led by the Holy Spirit rather than by men, like popes, cardinals, archbishops, bishops, priests, etc.... In God's Word, we are told "There is but ONE Advocate between God and man and that is the Lord, Jesus Christ." One can clearly see from that Scripture, that we don't need a priest or any other High-hatted cleric to be our Advocate, or to stand in the place of Jesus, as His Holy Spirit is well able "to stand" for Himself! Jesus promised, "The kingdom of God is within!" Unfortunately, Rome, for centuries, has made believers feel that priests are our Advocates and that we "Need Rome," to govern "The kingdom of God." The "kingdom of God," within every man, woman and child is the ONLY kingdom that the Gates of Hell can't come against! Oh, and by the way, I understand that there have been layoffs at "Gates of Hell, LTD," since the Roman Catholic Church is doing a great job on Her own by destroying Herself, WITHOUT Hell's help!
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Gearoid4 | Jul 20, 2011, 06:46 PM EDT
Eiriamach, I have a very good idea of what cultural relativism is as we are surrounded by it. Please do not accuse me of being simply an echo chamber for papal pronouncements as I have thought long and hard about my beliefs. If these particular pronouncements coincide with my train of thought, so be it and there will be no apologies for tha. As I have indicated in my previous comments, teachings such as the protection of life from conception to grave are not simply beliefs made up by a committee of Vatican prelates but are rather a reiteration of gospel values. If I find that some of your conclusions do not tally with that, please don't throw around epithets like 'gross stupidity' to distract from it. I may disagree with you on somethings but do so always out of conviction and respect.
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eiriamach | Jul 20, 2011, 05:21 PM EDT
How many times do I need to repeat this: I am not an ethical relativist! Yet you insist, Gearoid4, on replying to me as though I have urged some relativist doctrine! I am beginning to think that you really have no idea what moral or cultural relativism is and that you simply repeat papal mantras, whether they are relevant or not, whenever anyone disagrees with anything you write. Nothing I have written suggests relativism in any way. What you have written, however, suggests that meaning is singular and subject to interpretation only by absolute unerring authority in the Roman Catholic Church. We should be able to disagree about meaning in the gospel without your dismissing the meaning I find there as gross stupidity. Try to have some respect, please.
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Gearoid4 | Jul 20, 2011, 04:52 PM EDT
Eiriamach, Catholic, Christian values are timeless and are not subject to present secular mores. Rather they should be utilized to shape the direction that society is heading. A civilized society in the view of Catholicism protects life from conception to grave, protects the first cell of society i.e the family sanctified by traditional marriage and observes the rights of it's citizens to live, work and pray free from state oppression. If these precepts are not followed, then society has forfeited it's right to be be either just or equal. Western countries seem to view equality in terms of doling out rights to all and sundry without any objective criteria in measuring their effects on the common good. The gospel can provide a necessary corrective to this.
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