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Vatican and Irish church cover-up of worst pedophile priest finally laid bare

Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM

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2BorNot2B | Dec 20, 2010, 02:31 PM EST

@barneyjo: YES, very, very, very few! Out of something like 1/2 million clergy worldwide only around 300 cases have been actually proven. Some only by nullifying established law codes regarding the statute of limitations in order to dig up their cases from half a century ago. Others by counting either the molesters or witnesses already long dead. --- This has not been done with those of any other religion... so tell me that there isn't here just a mite of tendentiousness in the application of so called 'justice' exclusively against the CC, plus desire to deal a mortal blow to an institution that not only preserved Western civilization for the world, but through its canon law provided the basis for the laws that rule the civilized world presently. You're right, it ain't over yet, Jesus warned His followers about persecution, slander and hatred that would follow them: "If they hated me, they will hate you even more..." and "You are not fighting against mere men.. you are fighting against powers and principalieties..." Rather than bathing yourself in self-anointed 'grace' and crowing about your 'relationship with God' you should be taking a DEEP look not only at the book written through His inspiration but at the history, development and documents written by so many Saints, including Popes and Councisl of the Church He built.

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Monsoonman | Dec 19, 2010, 07:28 PM EST

In the spirit of balance, which is hard to find here, I would like ic and Niall to turn their editorial firepower for a close look/expose at the silly/violent/repressive/woman abusing religion known as islam. Lets here you heroically expose this cult for what it is too. tia. Oh you better up your fire insurance and life insurance first. The islamos don't take criticism lying down.

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2BorNot2B | Dec 19, 2010, 05:45 PM EST

Bottom line, No honest Catholic absolves the actual perpetrators, but we at least do not blind ourselves with political correctness and/or are persuaded by the arguments put out by people at IC who would like nothing more than to see the entire Church first eviscerated, and then destroyed. --- Those who say that "Jesus is no longer in the Church" sin against the Spirit who came to sanctify the Church and therefore DOUBT His power to regenerate it by keeping a core of righteous within it (Remember: "Only those who persevere until the end will be saved?). They are in fact also calling Jesus a LIAR, because before His departure He assured His followers "And lo, I will be with you until the end of time!" ---- It is obvious that starting by O'Dowd, the founder of this virtual rag, to the majority of people he employs, they are all on a crusade. They know a lot of Irish people are Catholic, therefore any sensationalist article regarding the Church will bring not only readers, but the vultures as well, those who hate Catholicism anyway and are chomping at the bit toget a chance to vent. -- They say that there's no worse anti-Catholic than an EX-Catholic.. and you prove it well.

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2BorNot2B | Dec 19, 2010, 05:31 PM EST

Let me remind you as well that Jesus was accused of being a drunkard and a glutton. He was despised for eating with sinners and prostitutes! Haven't you met Mary Magdalene from whom seven demons were expelled? ---- The moral of the story? Well... if you had any smarts, rather than painting the entire Church and ALL its ministers with the broad strokes YOU DARE USE (because, really... who the H do you think you are... so absolutely free of sin, so righteous, so clean as to feel capable of pronouncing judgement upon others?). --- So, rather than taking as 'Gospel' the skewed and tendentious tales the anti-Catholic and flat-out anti-religious commentators of IC, you should busy yourselves with having the audacity of finding out the REAL story behind this crisis, but of course, that would be too much to ask of those who come to this site armed with torches and pitchforks. cont'd

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barneyjo | Dec 19, 2010, 05:25 PM EST

@2BorNot"B - "Very few"!! you think so?? Interesting how you can quantify that so easily. In response can I suggest you search on the internet for a link to the recently published final chapter (chapter 19) of the Murphy Report; the investigation of Clerical Abuse in the Arch-diocese of Dublin. On the face of it, there may be one Cardinal,at least three Bishops and several senior Clericals who could be facing criminal indictment, for perversion of the course of justice; and thats just in Ireland. This aint over yet........not by a country mile!!!!!!!!

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2BorNot2B | Dec 19, 2010, 05:05 PM EST

Let me see... uh, NO.. He was so proud of His own heritage He had one of His followers write it to inform future generations, in the Gospel of Matthew to be precise. --- Then guess what... He, who was GOD and MAN at the same time, and therefore knew the mind of those He chose to guide His Church, compounded the 'error' by choosing a thief, criminal and traitor among the original twelve. He also chose a coward who denied Him in His hour of need; He chose a tax collector and usurer, whose profession His own people counted as the most sinful, vile and hated because he extracted money from his own to give to the pagan Romans! And even after His death... He shows up on the road to Damascus to Paul a Pharisee, not only from the sect of the very people who had put Him to death, but the most fierce persecutor of those of the Church He had just founded. How crazy was He? cont'd

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2BorNot2B | Dec 19, 2010, 04:45 PM EST

What about Jacob, the man God chose to name His people 'Israel 'for? Did not he cheat his own brother out of his inheritance by having his blind father anoint him by disguising himself as the rightful heir? Then, Jesus is called 'The Lion of the Tribe or Judah.' Wasn't Judah, along with his brothers, guilty of selling his brother Joseph as a slave to the Egyptians out of jealousy because their father favored him? And Rahab... was not she a prostitute? What about Solomon who had something like 1000 concubines? And even Betsheba, whose name is not actually listed in the genealogy but simply implied --a woman who personifies seduction and evil-- the priest explained was also among His ancestors. And WDJD? (that's What Did Jesus Do, for all you hypocritical, judgmental, whining jerks...), Should not He had sent as much fire and brimstone over them as you people are doing? Should not He, the ONLY SINLESS ONE disown, them...? cont'd

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2BorNot2B | Dec 19, 2010, 04:20 PM EST

For you 'holier than thou' people, amazed at the news of sin within some (very, very, very few in the Church); for you hypocrites yourselves, as though you could lay claim to sinlessness and perfection... rending your garments, wringing your hands, wailing in utter horror, donning the mantle of judge and jury against an institution... THE institution, the ONLY CHURCH founded by Christ! Can you honestly feel entitled to cast the first stone? ---- Let me pry your eyes open for a moment: Your problem is that you don't know the Bible! Just the Mass readings yesterday would give you pause for thought. They dealt with the 'genealogy' of Jesus. Curiously, Jesus' counted among his ancestors criminals, cheaters, adulterers, murderers and prostitutes. The founder of Christianity came from the line of David... and didn't David fall in love with a married woman whose husband he sent to the front lines so he would be killed and out of the way of his adultery? cont'd

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Monsoonman | Dec 19, 2010, 02:12 PM EST

Correction: A used, high mileage Tata Motors Nano. But I'll bet it would run like a finely tuned Swiss watch under Jesus's care....Never a flat tire, or a breakdown.

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Bonniekara | Dec 19, 2010, 12:52 PM EST

Jesus is not in our Church any more. HE would not have put up with this. Where is HE ? Well, not in the Vatican. I'm done with them.

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Monsoonman | Dec 19, 2010, 12:20 PM EST

I had a "friend" years back who used to be an "escort", somehow she ended up working for the vatican in Rome. One of her duties was to go to Germany once a year and get a top of the line Mercedez Benz, directly from the factory and drive it back to the Vatican for the use of a certain Vatican official...Yes that's where your tithing money goes to. if you feel the need to tithe give it to an institution that is good, such as the Salvation Army, I have heard nothing bad about them over the years and have actually seen much good works by them. WWJD(What would Jesus drive?): A Tata Motors Nano.

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marsman | Dec 19, 2010, 07:33 AM EST

That report again adds a lot of sense to the advice of Jesus: “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room, shut the door and pray to your Father, who is in secret; and your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not use empty repetitions as the Gentiles do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, (Matth. 6,5 ...) Like this, it is easy to avoid getting deceived, cheated, whatever, in God's name. Not to mention the independence of one's mind and thinking. Also very interesting is that the Lord had only harsh words for hypocrisy and that hypocrisy is actually a big sin. In case the RCC forgets to mention that.

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barneyjo | Dec 18, 2010, 09:40 PM EST

Oh and your points about the history of he RCC are as well made as they are documented!!

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barneyjo | Dec 18, 2010, 09:34 PM EST

@Pacifist - re your question abou the authenticity and legitimacy of my beliefs; they are my beliefs and as such, they are both legitimate and authentic for me, as I feel these beliefs, and the truths they contain, very personally and very profoundly!!

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pacifist | Dec 18, 2010, 09:05 PM EST

barneyjo, I commend you in your belief that you have a relationship with God. But hasn't the evidence proved beyond doubt that the RCC is not the Church of God. Have you ever checked the history of the RCC ( that is well recorded - the historical history ) and compared it to what is related to us about Jesus Christ, His diciples - later apostles - through the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the Acts of the Apostles ( or the Book of Acts ) and the letters/espistles? Have you ever compared the behaviour, actions and ideas of Christ and His disciples and apostles to those who claim to be Christian today? If you haven't read and compared the claims made to confirm historical accuracy - thoroughly investigated your own beliefs - you can't claim that your beliefs are authentic and therefore legitimate. W

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