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Stop Press: New Yorkers don't like Muslims or Ground Zero mosque says new poll

Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 at 10:35 PM
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IN a huge blow for pro-Ground Zero mosque supporters a New York Times poll has revealed that two thirds of new Yorkers oppose locating it near the site.

Almost 60 per cent of people said they had negative feelings towards Muslims because of 9/11.

The poll reveals that coming up to the tenth anniversary of 9/11, new Yorkers still harbor deep emotions about that day and what it meant to them and the city.

If relatively liberal New York has come out so strongly against the Mosque then it certainly bodes ill for the project in the future.

It also shows that Mayor Mike Bloomberg's best efforts to sell the mosque to New Yorkers have fallen very short.

Twenty per cent of New Yorkers admitted animosity toward Muslims.

Thirty-three percent believe Muslims are more sympathetic to terrorists.

A whopping 60 percent said people they know hold negative feelings toward Muslims because of 9/11.

Over all, 50 percent of those surveyed outright oppose building the mosque while only thirty-five percent favor it.

As expected opposition is most evident in the outer boroughs but even Manhattanites are split with 41 per cent against it.

Personally I'm not surprised.

Anecdotally I can only recall a handful of New Yorkers I have spoke to who favor it. every one else thinks it is way too soon for this to happen.

Given what happened that awful day it is hard to blame them.



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hancock | Sep 15, 2010, 03:00 PM EDT
What about 40 fls of fire for 7 hrs?

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DennisQ | Sep 14, 2010, 01:58 PM EDT
You don't have to explain the acceleration, guys. But your refusal even to see it suggests you're jumping to conclusions.

There's definitely an acceleration, no question about it. If you weren't so committed to not seeing it, it would be as plain to you as any other acceleration. Step off a train, and as it leaves the station, the last car is moving a lot faster than the ones before it. That's what you would see if you weren't so invested in not seeing it.

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hancock | Sep 14, 2010, 12:35 PM EDT
I saw a bulding completely consumed in fire burn for 7 hrs with my own eyes, and I saw it collaspse with my own eyes. Before it collapsed we heard glass popping and saw it crumple slightly then fall. We heard no explosions before it fell and were waiting it for it to fall. Thats what I saw on September 11.

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Monsoonman | Sep 14, 2010, 10:35 AM EDT
OK Dennis, so you are saying it is the hand of G*d that smites our buildings on 911. allah is displeased with the USA and is on the side of the jihadis. Thanks for coming out, I hope you feel better now. I liked it better when I thought you were just a run of the mill, bush hating, government conspiracy theorist. Rather than a sycophant of the violent religious freaks of 911.

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DennisQ | Sep 14, 2010, 01:36 AM EDT
Do you see acceleration, hancock?

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hancock | Sep 13, 2010, 02:52 PM EDT
No guts Dennis, come on go all the way.

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DennisQ | Sep 13, 2010, 02:04 PM EDT
You talked me into it, hancock. There's only one explanation for the miracle collapse of Building Seven - the greatness of God. Ground Zero is truly holy, for God changed a solid into a fluid that day.

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DennisQ | Sep 13, 2010, 02:00 PM EDT
Maximum velocity through a solid is generally zero, Monsoonman, but it could be, as Jesus says in Matthew 12:39, a sign of God's power. I'm going back to the miracle hypothesis, because we are talking about instantaneous transitions between states of matter.

The Israelites escaped the Pharaoh because God parted the waters of the Red Sea as if a fluid were a gas. And Jesus walked on water as if a fluid were a solid. So perhaps the "sign" this unbelieving generation is refusing to see is God's ability to change a solid into a fluid.

You're welcome to look at the video of Building Seven collapsing. It does indeed accelerate up to a discernible speed which could be measured in miles per hour. This certainly raises the possibility of a new kind of physics. Imagine calculating parasitic drag through a solid. God is great! Allahu Akbar!

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Monsoonman | Sep 13, 2010, 11:37 AM EDT
Hmm Dennis, I am an aviator and do skydive on occasion, so I am somewhat familiar with flying objects, parasitic drag, angles of attack, etc. My maximum free fall speed before I pull the cord is 114 mph. Did the falling building get a chance to reach that speed?

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hancock | Sep 13, 2010, 11:20 AM EDT
What happened Dennis? No guts?

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DennisQ | Sep 13, 2010, 03:10 AM EDT
Hammers fall faster than baseballs, hancock, but only because of air resistance. If there isn't any air, then they fall at the same speed.

Collapsing buildings are ordinarily pretty slow, but that's because they generally run into parts of the building on their way down. For some reason, that didn't happen to Building Seven on September 11th, although it did seem to have encountered air resistance.

Check out the video! Tell me what you see.

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hancock | Sep 12, 2010, 06:27 PM EDT
No guts.

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DennisQ | Sep 12, 2010, 05:58 AM EDT
I'm developing an animation program that will simulate freefall, and use it as a template over the video of the falling towers, esp. Building Seven. It turns out that air resistance is an important factor limiting maximum velocity. For example, an object thrown from the height of the South Tower will take about 10 seconds to hit the ground. Compare this to the 9/11 Commission's statement that the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds. That's a remarkable statement, don't you think, hancock?

I don't want to to think I'm make anything up. Google "911 PDF" and type in the string "ten seconds." There's only one such string.

The proposed animation program will compare say, a baseball thrown from 1,337 feet to the roofline of the South Tower. Which do you think will hit the ground first - the baseball or the roof?

I know you're a sport, hancock, but don't bet a lot of money on the baseball.

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hancock | Sep 12, 2010, 03:58 AM EDT
No guts.

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DennisQ | Sep 11, 2010, 08:04 PM EDT
You sound like a sporting fellow, hancock. So before you commit yourself further, you should at least investigate the properties of a falling body. Wikipedia has a nice composite photograph of a basketball dropped from a stationary height. The picture shows that it picks up speed the longer it falls.

The roof of Building Seven looks like the basketball in the Wikipedia photographs - it picks up speed roughly as the square of the time it falls. In other words, the speed of gravity.

Here's the thing about physics - these things are discovered, not invented. There would still be an Archimedes' principle even if Archimedes hadn't discovered it. Similarly, when things fall according to Newton's laws, it's not out of obedience to Newton. That's just how the world is.

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