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Judge's ruling on Arizona immigration law a great one

Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 at 05:06 PM

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Monsoonman | Aug 01, 2010, 12:34 PM EDT

"Crime rates actually drop, and there's no discernible impact on public health????? wtf Dennis, give us a link for this tripe and explain to us why we are testing positive to exposure to TB all of a sudden? Why do we have the west nile virus here? Why do we have resurgences of once formerly wiped out diseases spreading through our population? Why is the Phoenix tucson area the kidnap capital of the US? You need to get better talking points to try to anesthetize us with, perhaps the long seiu bus ride to the protest in Arizona wasn't conducive to a good script writing?

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DennisQ | Aug 01, 2010, 11:52 AM EDT

There will continue to be widespread grousing about immigrants undermining our culture, lowering wage standards, committing crimes and spreading disease . . . but there will not be any massive crackdown. That's because the reality is different from what it is perceived to be. Immigrants, who come here out of desperation, come here to work and raise their families. Crime rates actually drop, and there's no discernible impact on public health. Overly restrictive immigration policies create a permanent underclass, the fact of which does indeed negatively impact working people. That negative impact arises from the restrictions, not from the immigrants. The restrictions have other negative effects as well - they result in less control over immigration, not more. When everybody is illegal, nobody is. We end up with foreign criminals who'd otherwise be filtered out. Let's get back to intelligent regulation; otherwise we'll have no control at all. The emphasis is on the word intelligent; stupid regulation is what we've got now.

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seanomelbourne | Aug 01, 2010, 02:22 AM EDT

WE have our own immigration problems thank you Hancock. WE just handle the situation more humanely. Neither do we see a terrorist or a drug dealer under every ill-shod person entering the country. I acknowledge your problems re. illegal immigrants,But the use of emotionally charged dialogue lends itself to a racist slant, "aliens" is one word which comes to mind or maybe "wetbacks" and so on. Demonizing an ethnic group is racist commentary. What is deemed "far left liberal" by the right in the U.S.A. is usually middle of the road commentary in the real world. I fear Hancock you should extract your cranium and open your eyes to some common sense.

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Monsoonman | Jul 31, 2010, 09:08 PM EDT

Actually Dennis me boy, maybe I didn't understand your meaning of "patronize"...If you mean do I buy anything that you sell on these boards the answer is no and my answer is perfectly correct. Oh and stop throwing the race card around here, just because anyone is anti illegal immigrant doesn't mean we don't love and respect our fellow hispanics in this country e pluribus unum me boy. and I am not anonymous call me anytime and we can chat 867-5309...tell Jenny you want to talk to Mr. Monsoonman.

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DennisQ | Jul 31, 2010, 12:43 PM EDT

I've noticed that right wingers get snippy when their racist statements are received as such. They are shocked, shocked that anyone would accuse them of racism. In that regard they resemble Humpty Dumpty in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass: "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all." And now Monsoonman has graduated to making patronizing remarks while denying his clear intention to do just that.

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Monsoonman | Jul 31, 2010, 10:54 AM EDT

Oh Dennis! It was not meant to be patronizing, it was just an observation. Does the sugar in your tay come from the seiu gummint?

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hancock | Jul 31, 2010, 01:04 AM EDT

Our border is a joke, soon it won't be so funny. I'm glad far left liberal Irish and Australians like it though. Maybe they 'l;l take in some illegal immigrants next.

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seanomelbourne | Jul 31, 2010, 12:54 AM EDT

"Put your watch back 50 years we are about to land in Phoenix Arizona.

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DennisQ | Jul 30, 2010, 01:01 PM EDT

Oh, I see. Your arguments fail, so you try being patronizing. I guess it beats name-calling, but that's next. Good luck with that, too, Monsoonman.

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Monsoonman | Jul 30, 2010, 09:58 AM EDT

Dennis, me fine lad. Do you notice who the common denominator is on all of these boards breathlessly claiming it is not true! it is not true!...is you?....Like I have gently admonished you in the past, boy....Do not point the finger at others lest you see the three others pointing back at yerself...

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DennisQ | Jul 30, 2010, 05:20 AM EDT

No, I don't live in Arizona, but I didn't live in the 18th century either. However, if you say something that's complete nonsense about the 1700's, I'll demand that you present evidence. There's no crime wave in Arizona; in fact, crime has gone down significantly. So you're either repeating things you heard because you don't know any better; or another way to put is that you're making things up to fit your argument. But either way, the effect is the same. You can't document an Arizona crime wave, and your statements that heroic measures are necessary to stem the tide of lawlessness have to be seen as what they are - right wing nonsense.

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DennisQ | Jul 30, 2010, 04:50 AM EDT

IAP concludes that references to racism in America are a gratuitous slur against "conservatives"; he'd rather that this inflammatory word be dropped from polite discourse. If racism doesn't bother me, he says, it shouldn't bother you. That's pretty self-serving, don't you think? IAP's policy viewpoints are functionally indistiguishable from those of racists, but not to worry, his heart is pure. He then lists a host of problems associated with the illegality of thousands of immigrants, but he never thinks of legalization as a remedy. Why would that be? Does he think Mexicans have a criminal bent? Are they selfish, indolent layabouts? That's what the Nativists said about the Irish in the 19th Century, and they didn't see themselves as racists, either.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 30, 2010, 04:02 AM EDT

Dennis, have you ever been to Arizona? If not, how can you sit there from afar and poo-poo those who are actually there and who have to live day-in and day-out with the crime and other issues the illegals you embrace even more than Americans bring to that sovereign state? And Dennis...how can you accuse others of 'racism' when you have just engaged in racially stereotyping others as rednecks? (my Jewish family members would probably LAUGH at that one...as would my Civil War Union ancestors). You need to be honest about your OWN bigotries and prejudices, Dennis, which are obvious...before you falsely point that jutty little finger of yours at others. You hold no monopoly on any such issue, my friend.

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DennisQ | Jul 30, 2010, 03:33 AM EDT

Redneck, you are well named. Very little of what you write is true. Arizona is not experiencing a crime wave; in fact, crime is going down. You are scapegoating immigrants for their involvement in the drug trade, when that is a predictable consequence of making drugs and them illegal. There are smarter ways to deal with both domestic problems, and indeed there are smarter ways to deal with the enemies we make in the world with our stupid and unnecessary wars. The fact that you can't imagine other ways of doing things suggests that the limitation is with you, not with immigrants, drug traffickers, or with the "enemies" that our overly militaristic foreign policy makes for us. We need regulation of immigration; and that's not what we have now. We have stupid policies that - predictably - turn out to be counterproductive. Incidentally, I've got to say I admire your nickname. There are other rednecks posting here, but you're the only one who has openly embraced the term.

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azredneck | Jul 30, 2010, 01:15 AM EDT

I too am irish and proud of it. I also live in Arizona and yes it is as bad as proponents of our law say it is. We are the second biggest kidnapping capital in the world, amazing amounts of drugs funnel through our state, illegal immigrants are severely abused, robbed, and worse. Our government tells us our borders are safer than ever when up to ONE MILLION PEOPLE illegally sneak across the border every single year. Thousands are OTM's (Other Than Mexican) and consist of many countries including Iraq, Afganistan, Yemen, and other countries that don't like the USA. The USA is the only country in the world that doesn't inforce immigration laws while it's citizens are begging for it when their world is destroyed by illegal immigration. Many thousands of mexicans were murdered within 25 miles of the US border in just the last couple years and they are moving into the USA to support their amazingly profitable drug trade. What kind of an idiot believes Arizona is wrong when they simply reiterrate federal law when the US government won't do their job? This is getting bad and those that are against the laws really need to review the truth and not the BS that opponents keep spreading. The law Arizona made is very benign compared to the lies people have spread to prey on gullible people. We need your help

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