Irish peace lessons for Israel after Gaza flotilla deaths
By: Patrick Roberts | Published Thursday, June 17, 2010, 6:57 PM | Updated Friday, September 9, 2011, 9:41 PM

What were the
Israeli commandos thinking when they boarded the
Gaza bound flotilla and killed ten people?
Seven Irish people,including
Nobel Peace Prize winner Mairead Corrigan were on board the flotilla. They are currently being held.
Also on board one of the vessels was a Holocaust survivor and peace activists from many different countries.
The Israelis are somehow justifying this disaster saying they were fired on.
Unfortunately this latest Israeli incursion is another example of how the far right policies being pursued by Benjamin Netanyahu have come back to haunt
Israel in the worldwide community.
In one fell swoop they have destroyed their relationship with
Turkey, one of their very few Islamic allies,and created a massive propaganda coup for their
Hamas enemies.
Part of the problems stems from the unqualified support that American Jews give to the current government in Israel.
It is a case of 'my country right or wrong' and in this case it is very definitely wrong. There is no critical thinking going on, only blind moral support no matter what actions have been taken.
The flotilla of activists should have been shepherded to shore, their cargo unloaded and they should have been sent back to where they came from.
Instead they were attacked and ten killed in an outbreak of macho mania unmatched in recent times.
Israel appears to believe that military might solves all problems. It doesn't
American Jews are very reluctant to criticize, yet they should take a leaf from the Irish American role in securing the Irish peace process.
Back then Irish Americans questioned and debated Irish government policy towards
Northern Ireland for many years.
They helped create the peace process by being the first to champion a new American approach under
President Bill Clinton.
They were never patsies for the Irish government as any diplomat will tell you. Yet they played a huge role in the peace process that created the conditions for peace.
It is that kind of arms-length approach that Jewish Americans should take towards the Israeli government. Clearly there is something very wrong when a government brutally kills ten people and loses a massive propaganda war.
They need to do a lot better and American Jews need to tell them that. The Irish American example for American Jews would not be a bad place to start.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.downinthebasement | Sep 26, 2010, 12:37 AM EDT
monsoonman...I am curious what you are saying...baked a kike? Is Jesus Christ a kike? Can I call Jesus Christ a kike?
seanomelbourne | Jun 14, 2010, 08:05 PM EDT
Moonsoonmn/shuvonn I can't go i/state for a long weekend and you to are at it like scorned lovers. Shuvonn,Moonsoonman is in denial he understands what is happening but he wishes to turn a blind eye,it helps assuage his conscience,
maireadinmelb | Jun 14, 2010, 02:06 AM EDT
Facts and figures flying back and forth does not change the fact that the state of Israel condones and causes the deaths of innocent people (and guilty people) - they do not follow basic democratic ideology of a FAIR TRIAL, they just execute! And are quite irresponsible in how they do so. They do not attempt to minimise civilian victims. And when an army or organisation (not a country) does the same to them they complain. It works both ways and when Israel wakes up to this fact they may be able to work to a solution in their land!!
Strongbow | Jun 12, 2010, 12:13 PM EDT
I agree that "Irish Americans" may not have been patsies for the Irish Government because they wee too busy being patsies to the provos and their ilk. Rep. Pete King was their cheerleader in chief.
Monsoonman | Jun 12, 2010, 11:28 AM EDT
Geesh!
shuvonn | Jun 12, 2010, 10:53 AM EDT
I think the world has NEVER been allowed to FORGET that Israel started with a 6 million handicap and it actually started in 1938 and NOT 1940 FYI. Ahh let's whip out the old antisemitism argument as a back up to the we were persecuted too argument. We had quite the handicap in Ireland too where in the 1840's the population almost halved due to starvation and emigration when food was being EXPORTED to England during that time, but that does not really count cause it was ONLY the Irish and not the jews :-) It seems its acceptable even expected to take out a few Palestinians and Muslims, sure they do not count, we can call them terrorists, label them, starve them and if anyone says anything remotely critical of the IDF and Israel you can haul out the antisemitism label.... Throw in a few rockets with phosphorous (ILLEGAL) on them and then bring in the bulldozers to finish the job in Gaza. And no cement is allowed to allow rebuilding of the destroyed homes. In fact in 2010 an Human rights Israeli group GISHA had to take the government to court to even LIST the goods that were banned. Gisha obtained an Israeli government document that states *A country has a right to decide that it chooses not to engage in economic relations or to give economic assistance to the other party to the conflict, or that it wishes to operate using 'economic warfare,* PROVING that Israel is NOT operating the ILLEGAL blockade for prevention of terrorism but to engage in collective punishment of the population of Gaza. It seems that the new laws Israel is thinking of implementing regarding anyone or any organization that engages in boycotting Israeli goods is hypocritical as its alright for israel to do it but anyone else who tries, will be punished by Israel... Aright for us, but NOT them ! HYPOCRITES.
Monsoonman | Jun 12, 2010, 10:21 AM EDT
Wow Shuvonn: Listening to you whip out facts and figures, I feel bedazzled. But yo do understand Israel started off with a 6 million person handicap between 1940-45? So what is your favorite tune? "If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a kike?"
shuvonn | Jun 12, 2010, 08:53 AM EDT
Interesting that you bring that up, let's be honest here, The population of Israel is double (2010 estimate) what the population of Ireland (ROI)is. And Israel has citizens from every country in the world, many if not MOST carrying dual passports, (they HAVE to because some countries do NOT recognize Israel). Starting with Operation magic Carpet, Aliyah after Aliyah from all over the world, which of course would increase their chances of having a greater chance of better facilities for research. Not to mention Israel has the MONEY, and clout, and it's pick of jewish citizens worldwide so it is hardly surprising to me but I was well aware of those numbers. And your POINT was? I will give them the credit, they are in the ME and and YET now wish to participate and trade in the Eurozone tax free, and tariff free, talk about wanting it ALL ways....
Monsoonman | Jun 12, 2010, 12:03 AM EDT
So then I looked up Irish recipients of Nobel prizes, there was a total of ten. 5 for peace. 4 for literature. 1 for physics.
Monsoonman | Jun 11, 2010, 10:37 PM EDT
Shuvonn Do you know how many nobel prizes for science, medicine, physics, economics, world peace, literature, chemistry were awarded to Jews over the years? 165. How many jihadis received one? 6 including yasser arafat.
seanomelbourne | Jun 11, 2010, 07:19 PM EDT
I know monsoonman maybe it was lost in cyberspace.
maireadinmelb | Jun 11, 2010, 06:37 PM EDT
Or when the democratic choice of the people is not recognised!!
shuvonn | Jun 11, 2010, 12:17 PM EDT
The free flow of conversation that Israel tried to prevent by stealing members of the press's cameras, cell phones, video equipment, memory sticks etc... One cannot have a free flow of conversation when ONE side HIDES and covers up the facts....like Israel did in this screw up of the flotilla situation...
Monsoonman | Jun 11, 2010, 09:59 AM EDT
Sean lad? I have no power to censor and i wouldn't even if I could, except for the spams of course. This hallowed ground is for the Irish from San Francisco to Galway to Point barrow to the falklands to speak amongst themselves. Nothing like a free flow of conversation.
seanomelbourne | Jun 09, 2010, 03:42 AM EDT
on the Puente Rojas bridge near Elpaso Texas. It is claimed the child was on the Mexican side of the bridge. I looked at Fox today no mention of the incidents. O Reilly would have weaseled some words to make the child look like a terrorist as he doe's with incidents in Palestine.(Continued from previous page), but the silence was deafening.
seanomelbourne | Jun 09, 2010, 03:33 AM EDT
censored again monsoonman
seanomelbourne | Jun 09, 2010, 03:28 AM EDT
reading an article today man beaten to death in custody, 14year old child shot twice in the head for throwing stones at border patrol.Those blo--dy Israelis are at it again I thought, but I was wrong I apologize to the Israelis my mistake .42yr old Hernandez Rojas was beaten to death whilst in custody in San Diego and a 14yr child shot twice in the head for throwing stones at a border patrol guard
maireadinmelb | Jun 08, 2010, 07:53 PM EDT
True Sean, but it is fun!!
Monsoonman | Jun 08, 2010, 01:04 PM EDT
LOL Lad....Now that was humorous!
seanomelbourne | Jun 08, 2010, 08:52 AM EDT
Careful Maireadinmelb you'll unleash the bleeding heart Fox watching Zionist. They are attracted to the word Palestine as Dracula is to blood. I can't go through it again.
maireadinmelb | Jun 08, 2010, 05:36 AM EDT
The term terrorists as it is being used now would include people like Jefferson, Washington and Adams - really America gained its independence from Terrorist acts, why cannot Palestine strive for the same freedoms???
seanomelbourne | Jun 07, 2010, 11:17 PM EDT
Monsoonman I sometimes love little pearls of wisdom,unfortunately you misuse them a times to avoid an honest reply. time for bed you old sage.
Monsoonman | Jun 07, 2010, 10:47 PM EDT
Shuvonn: Sometimes i speak to the lad metaphorically. So just like algore do as I say not as i do....Not that I disagree with that statement, regarding you and a few others being terrorist sympathizers, but if you'll notice I wasn't pointing my finger at the time just making a statement of fact.
shuvonn | Jun 07, 2010, 10:37 PM EDT
Monsoonman: SO when you are calling us terrorist sympathizers you have three fingers pointed back at yourself, thank you for clarifying that for us :-)
Monsoonman | Jun 07, 2010, 10:22 PM EDT
Remember and digest this pearl of wisdom lad: When you point a finger (not the finger) at someone else, you have three pointing back at yourself.
seanomelbourne | Jun 07, 2010, 09:34 PM EDT
Why do you right wing Yanks have a siege mentality? "It's us against the world". Sadly the mind conditioning works for you,the propaganda guru's own your mind. How sad.
Monsoonman | Jun 07, 2010, 08:57 PM EDT
I am Sean: That's what I pay my armed services to do, defend my home from terrorists. Just like the Israeli citizens expect from their government.
seanomelbourne | Jun 07, 2010, 06:32 PM EDT
You watch to much Fox Monsoonman I hope you never have to defend your home from a terrorist state.
shuvonn | Jun 07, 2010, 01:27 PM EDT
Gosh boys I didn't realize you would miss me so much. But seriously the we con the world video is going for a re-make between apologies from the Israeli government but they will want you to not be off key this time, and learn the words properly... Cause its ONLY funny when its Israelis making them kinda videos isnt it?
ritmomente | Jun 07, 2010, 09:18 AM EDT
shuvonn drank the koolaid again.
Monsoonman | Jun 07, 2010, 12:32 AM EDT
Sean you only gave me another talking point from the lib agenda.
seanomelbourne | Jun 07, 2010, 12:06 AM EDT
Intolerant and hateful of the Palestinians living in the ghettos created by Israel. Intolerant of anyone who raises their voice in opposition to there anti-humanitarian acts. And as you ignore the rights of Palestinians and dance to the beat of repression you are not an honest broker here.
Monsoonman | Jun 06, 2010, 10:42 PM EDT
OK Sean, besides being intolerant against people that want to annihilate it, please name who Israel is intolerant of? Remember jihadists & those that vow to vaporize Israel don't count. Come on we're waiting....hmmm, hm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm
seanomelbourne | Jun 06, 2010, 09:36 PM EDT
As intolerant as Israel?
Monsoonman | Jun 06, 2010, 08:51 PM EDT
The "aid" organizations hired the turkish merchant ships to transport the goods. Turkey is becoming more and more an islamic and intolerant country, it is running other religions out. That does not bode well for Israel or any country in the west. Lets cut to the chase shuvonn: You hate Jews. Helen Thomas pretty much summed up your feelings didn't she: all jews should get out of israel and go back to poland russia and the usa?
shuvonn | Jun 06, 2010, 08:32 PM EDT
Turkey is an ALLY of Israel, and yes I am sure it IS intolerant of its citizens being murdered by an ally state. This is not about Israel defending itself, EVERY government has the right to protect its citizens and IF that goes for Israel, it goes for GAZA, Ireland and TURKEY as well as EVERY other nation that took part in this flotilla. Murdering your citizens sure could turn you into a NON believer state. Aid into Gaza is 75% down from pre-illegal blockade aid, as per Red Cross and UN.
seanomelbourne | Jun 06, 2010, 07:19 PM EDT
Now monsoonman the boats were funded by aid organizations and private donations. you have not one shred of evidence that Ayers contributed and so what if he had done so. We are not spreading porkies are we?
Monsoonman | Jun 06, 2010, 12:52 PM EDT
The "aid" vessels were not funded by the turkish or Irish governments. (follow the money) bernadine dorn & bill ayers ring a bell? So lets get past that myth. Turkey is turning islamic a total intolerant of non believer state. Of course there were no weapons on the ships, it was a stunt designed to incite opinion against israel for defending itself. wake up.
shuvonn | Jun 06, 2010, 09:49 AM EDT
Turkey IS an ally of Israel,they run joint military exercises with them. SO the flotilla was arranged and paid for by allies of Israel. There were NO weapons in any of the flotilla vessels. The IDF operation was in International waters as such was an attack on the countries of the flags those ships were sailing under, thereby illegal. The blockade is illegal as per the UN and this incident will have long term implications for Israeli and Turkish relations.
seanomelbourne | Jun 05, 2010, 07:50 PM EDT
Shuvonn logic is not a strong point here.The Zionist apologists confuse issues thus confusing themselves,or creating misinformation to try and confuse others,but their soup a two year old could see through it.
Monsoonman | Jun 05, 2010, 10:39 AM EDT
Get back to the facts? In whose yes would those FACTS be in shuvonn? Many weapons have been uncovered by the israelis when they have searched cargo in the past. This whole flotilla thing was designed as a pr ploy to embarrass israel....Funded by allies of israel???? What are you smoking? The money behind most of this is from islamic organizations with innocuous, philanthropic names like: save the children fund, save the whales, etc. Sheepskin covers over lupine creatures.
shuvonn | Jun 05, 2010, 10:01 AM EDT
There were no weapons on ANY of the vessels, so EXPLAIN to me how you equate a humanitarian aid flotilla with terrorists when it was funded by allies of Israel. The blockade is ILLEGAL in the eyes of the world AND the UN. SO DO try to get some facts and perspective here. And as for WX man stop the insults and get back to the facts here.
seanomelbourne | Jun 05, 2010, 06:48 AM EDT
He who forgets the past is apt to repeat it
Monsoonman | Jun 04, 2010, 08:23 PM EDT
OK lad, lets roll back all borders to their pre civilization boundaries, you know before there was pesky mankind messing up G*ds atlas....will that satisfy your sense of fairness? Jes sayin'
seanomelbourne | Jun 04, 2010, 07:06 PM EDT
your level of justice disappoints me. the U.S.S.R. Rome,Greece, British Empire and so on collapsed because the people could not take their injustices any longer. Power to the people democracy will prevail. power is self defeating. ponder on the small nations who have survived against the odds.
Monsoonman | Jun 04, 2010, 10:19 AM EDT
Sean me lad! Sorry for the facts but you must face them sooner or later. Look at most countries and you will see their borders were shaped by who had the might, not who was right. Fore!
seanomelbourne | Jun 04, 2010, 03:39 AM EDT
Sure Monsoonman might beats right any old time.e.g. Hitlers invasion of Poland, Japanese invasion of s.e. Asia,European invasions in Africa. Your in good company Monsoonman.
Monsoonman | Jun 03, 2010, 11:43 PM EDT
Shawn me goy! The borders were decided by 3 wars, Israel won. They set the borders and can bargain with them to achieve peace. To the victors go the spoils, me goy boy! Shalom, Allah akhbar!
seanomelbourne | Jun 03, 2010, 11:15 PM EDT
ah! yes! who decides the border that has already been decided by the U.N. The rule of law should prevail don't you agree? of course not. you will decide along with wxman and you pro expansionist Zionist, not fair-minded Jews and Palestinians.May be we should install the last known boundaries of Israel which were roughly the middle portion of today's Palestine.After all if it,s they old Jewish kingdom they the deserve I say give it back, problem solved
Monsoonman | Jun 03, 2010, 10:35 PM EDT
Brother Sean...I lissen to both sides and judge from my life experiences. I have been to Israel a few times, Egypt, Jordan, etc. and really love that part of the world. My educated intelligent Jewish and Palestinian friends share ancient history in seriously have a desire to live in peace and prosperity with each other. But you have to let the Jews have their country with defensible borders.
seanomelbourne | Jun 03, 2010, 10:02 PM EDT
Monsoonman! You seem like an intelligent person don't insult yourself with your current diatribe. As for wxman he's beyond the pail with his mumbo jumbo spittle.
Monsoonman | Jun 03, 2010, 09:55 PM EDT
Iriswx: Skies here a mvfr currently, but the sunshine does occasionally peek through the clouds, but it can take a bit longer for sunshine to penetrate concrete.......rit it is pure genius coupled with sheer stupidity by the useful idiots who enable the diabolical conspiracy.
ritmomente | Jun 03, 2010, 12:27 PM EDT
I just think it is pure genious to be a terrorist organization bent on wiping a nation off the face of the earth and yet get such an outcry against that country who rightfully is stopping you. I guess Chairman Mao, Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler and Margaret Thatcher weren't bad people after all.
irishwxman | Jun 03, 2010, 10:37 AM EDT
Monsoon, you basically mirrored my comment, but alas, i don't think it will reach them. Thick people only hear what they want to hear, and are void of any common sense.
Monsoonman | Jun 03, 2010, 10:27 AM EDT
Sean me boy! Elections have consequences. If the Pals want to elect a terror group whose sole reason for creation was the destruction of Israel(what was the other choice?) to represent them, then they will reap what they sowed, or is it sewed? Until they step out of the 7th century and stop being the dupes of terrorists they will continue to be mired in misery. Remember lad there is a life lesson here for you if you can just see it: As humans Pain is unavoidable but suffering is optional.
irishwxman | Jun 03, 2010, 10:13 AM EDT
You are Palestinian sympathizer the both of you. Therefore you are Hamas sympathizers, and therefor you are terrorist sympathizers. Let me guess, you probably think that terrorists captured on the battle field have rights under our constitution don't you?
irishwxman | Jun 03, 2010, 10:13 AM EDT
HAMAS is a radical Islamic militant organization with terror ties. Their number one goal is to eradicate Israel and wipe them off the map. That's like saying, "Well the Irish people elected the IRA to run Ireland, so we have to accept it." Well maybe Ireland has to accept it but the world does not.
irishwxman | Jun 03, 2010, 10:12 AM EDT
You two are the biggest loons this side of the Atlantic. Do you think Afghanistan elected the Taliban? of course they did. When they were fighting with the Soviets. then they morphed into something worse....however you both probably support the Taliban and think the US had no right to go in there and run them out of power.
seanomelbourne | Jun 03, 2010, 09:42 AM EDT
irishwxman democracy is the will of the majority it matters not if the PLO or Hamas win the election or the GOP or the democrats win it's the will of the people that will prevail. shuvonn i find it difficult to digest what you are saying.
shuvonn | Jun 02, 2010, 10:43 PM EDT
I find that to some it is only democracy when it is the *democratic* government THEY wanted to have voted in. Many a government has been toppled world wide with behind the scenes funding because the WRONG ones were voted in that did not suit someone in powers agenda.
seanomelbourne | Jun 02, 2010, 08:19 PM EDT
It's not for me to tell the Palestinian people whom the should elect. Your judgment is permanently scared by hate and loathing, don't write to me unless you have an intelligent comment to make. You sad man.
irishwxman | Jun 02, 2010, 07:59 PM EDT
seanmelbourne...the fact that you actually RECOGNIZE Hamas as a government?? I'm speechless. They re a radical Islamic terror organization hell bent on the destruction of Israel you Nazi *****.
Southernpride | Jun 02, 2010, 07:57 PM EDT
Well don Israel. A job weel done!
seanomelbourne | Jun 02, 2010, 07:09 PM EDT
irishwaxman using O'Reilly as a yardstick beggars belief. He struggled to condone Israel in his talking points, his diatribe was weak as it was unconvincing. It was a bleeding heart effort to condone piracy and murder.
seanomelbourne | Jun 02, 2010, 07:04 PM EDT
Hamas won an election (internationally supervised)in Gaza and the West Bank. The Israeli and Americans refused to recognise this government.They took their collective bats and went home whimpering "that's not fair our man lost"
Kilsally | Jun 02, 2010, 03:29 PM EDT
`They were never patsies for the Irish government` no but they funded terrorist atrocities via NORAID for many decades. Clearly Israel was wrong here but they have a right to defend themselves from constant attack County Tyrone Northern Ireland
ritmomente | Jun 02, 2010, 11:49 AM EDT
The Gazans are no different from the Somalis. They are starving people who have Muslim extremists holding them hostage and shooting at aid workers. When the shots cease, and these morons removed, then they will actually be able to sustain themselves.
irishwxman | Jun 02, 2010, 11:19 AM EDT
That just makes Dev a complete moron, not an antisemite. I actually agree with you there. Dev embarrassed Ireland immensely with his lunacy and idiotic actions. the man loved Ireland, I will give him that, but he was an idiot.
shuvonn | Jun 02, 2010, 10:49 AM EDT
No where in ANY one of my posts have I suggested that Ireland is anti-Israeli. I do not feel it is and having sympathy for the plight of Gaza does not mean you are a terrorist sympathizer, some people like to label and blame and throw out the terrorist term to make excuses. Ireland have full diplomatic relations with Israel. IrishAndProud claimed Ireland was anti semitic. I asked him to prove it, he only came up with Dev signing a book of condolences, and NOTHING else. Not proof.
irishwxman | Jun 02, 2010, 10:40 AM EDT
You guys should have seen the Bill O'Reilly talking points memo last night. He went into this with great detail. I wonder how long before Irish Central sets their sites on him and bash him for siding with Israel
Monsoonman | Jun 02, 2010, 10:32 AM EDT
rit: If you know the diabolical minds behind hamas and the rest of the terrorist groups, don't be surprised if some of the killings were done by hamas themselves to spark (some of it feigned) outrage.
ritmomente | Jun 02, 2010, 10:27 AM EDT
So armed "aid workers" were killed on this boat and the leader of Hamas (who supports Al Qada and the destruction of everything that isn't Muslim) is taken seriously. Where is the logic? No one wants to see people starve, but you shouldn't have to get shot at to give aid.
irishwxman | Jun 02, 2010, 10:23 AM EDT
I think IrishandProud hit the nail on the head. HEY EVERYONE!!! Shuvon seems to think s/he speaks for every person on the globe who is Irish! And according to Shuvon if you aren't on board with her/him you are not really Irish since according to her/him ALL Irish people are anti Israel!!
Monsoonman | Jun 02, 2010, 10:21 AM EDT
Well said wx man, you have much more patience than I to go hand to hand with such numbskulls. After the cold winters the farce of man caused global warming has cooled their religious fervor, so they needed a new "cause". With all the excitement of blind dogs in a butcher shop, their anti semitic zeal could be channelled into the anti israel religion, the double bonus is that they can lay in bed with the devil, Hamas. Win win for them.
irishwxman | Jun 02, 2010, 09:49 AM EDT
This Irish, anti-Jew nonsense is ridiculous. I know many many Irish in IRELAND who are pro Israel. A country smack center in a region filled with Muslim terror groups swearing to destroy them, and you all try to suggest Ireland and Irish people are part of that group? I don't think so.
irishwxman | Jun 02, 2010, 09:48 AM EDT
Why are you so pro Hamas and so anti-Israel Shuvon? Is that the new liberal resume? Be pro terrorist and anti Jew? I'm just trying to understand your lunacy.
irishwxman | Jun 02, 2010, 09:48 AM EDT
Why are you so pro Hamas and so anti-Israel Shuvon? Is that the new liberal resume? Be pro terrorist and anti Jew? I'm just trying to understand your lunacy. This Irish, anti-Jew nonsense is ridiculous. I know many many Irish in IRELAND who are pro Israel. A country smack center in a region filled with Muslim terror groups swearing to destroy them, and you all try to suggest Ireland and Irish people are part of that group? I don't think so.
ritmomente | Jun 02, 2010, 08:41 AM EDT
What was a flotilla doing carrying arms into Israel? Sounds more like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
shuvonn | Jun 02, 2010, 04:22 AM EDT
It would appear that Israel is objecting to the calls for an Independent Inquiry into this, why on earth would they do that IF they have NOTHING to hide?
Monsoonman | Jun 02, 2010, 01:36 AM EDT
lad lad lad...Sean me boy!!! What's a double helix got to do with the Israel blockades? My slogan for the day is: Double layered tin foil hats prevent the intrusion of isogonic waves from entering the cranium.
seanomelbourne | Jun 01, 2010, 10:39 PM EDT
shuvonn knows how to press your buttons get off the site IAP and leave it to those who are willing to debate current affairs.
IrishAndProud | Jun 01, 2010, 10:22 PM EDT
...(continued) and then when I pointed out that that was a total flip-flop from before, shuvonn(laughter, here) goes right back to the 'you're not Irish' thing again -- right here in front of everyone and proving my original post to Irishwxmn to a 't'! HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA! This is just PRECIOUS, folks; you can't make up stuff like this.
IrishAndProud | Jun 01, 2010, 10:17 PM EDT
What a scream. I mentioned to irishwxman about the 'three or four lefties' prowling this sight, going around saying you're not Irish if you're pro-Israel...then shuvonn (apparently feeling rather insecure about the matter) comes out in the open to deny it -- blowing his/her cover as one of the aforementioned instigators in the process, when they didn't even have to (continued, above)...
IrishAndProud | Jun 01, 2010, 10:02 PM EDT
Oh...and 'Am Israel 'Chai, too.
IrishAndProud | Jun 01, 2010, 10:00 PM EDT
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!I'm 'not' Irish, then I am again and you don't know what I'm talking about, then I'm not again (it's all about what the 'media' have 'fed' me), and now we're back to I'm 'not,' again! Shuvonn, the human whipsaw, now performing once again for your viewing pleasure, folks!
seanomelbourne | Jun 01, 2010, 07:15 PM EDT
don't worry about IrishAndProud shuvonn he seems to have a double helix problem. You must see how he and other site visitors have no concept of fairness. They hide their true beliefs behind meaningless slogans.
shuvonn | Jun 01, 2010, 06:58 PM EDT
You are NOT Irish and I am not sure in the light of your support of the IDFs actions what it is that you have to be proud about.....
seanomelbourne | Jun 01, 2010, 06:49 PM EDT
irishwxman melts into insignificance with his bleeding heart diatribe. Haul out the old "ANTI SEMITE" label when you can't justify your argument piracy is what it is no matter who the perpetrators are.
IrishAndProud | Jun 01, 2010, 04:37 PM EDT
Well, well, well...that's a 180 from what you were telling me REPEATEDLY on the other article, shuvonn. Your response just now sounded a bit defensive, to me.
shuvonn | Jun 01, 2010, 04:15 PM EDT
IrishAndProud: DO you always listen to what you are told? Genetics has NOTHING to do with politics, it depends on what you have been FORCE FED by the media... And YES I AM left handed but it has NOTHING to do with my beliefs or my politics....
IrishAndProud | Jun 01, 2010, 02:37 PM EDT
Careful now, irishwxman. I myself have been all but told that you cannot be Irish and pro-Israel, both. Your genetics depends on your politics, you know. There's a gang of about three or four lefties prowling this website who are going around saying that kind of thing.
Monsoonman | Jun 01, 2010, 10:09 AM EDT
Looks like Dennis the menace and Problem Child were loitering here earlier, must have been waiting for Damien to show up...Hitler wouldn't tolerate it, Stalin would use you for mine clearance, the ayatollahs would fine a use for you by strapping explosives belts on you.
irishwxman | Jun 01, 2010, 08:13 AM EDT
Everyday it become more abundantly clear. Liberals support anyone who can be claimed an enemy. They support radical Islam, terror groups, and now it seems they can be sympathetic to the Nazis. No wonder they all hated Bush...he actually targeted and killed anyone who was a threat to this country.
irishwxman | Jun 01, 2010, 08:10 AM EDT
ummm I will tell you what they were thinking you turd..they were thinking how they could avoid this peacefully until they were attacked first. Anybody with a brain could see that after watching the footage. All you antisemite writers on this website make me sick.
DennisQ | Jun 01, 2010, 12:56 AM EDT
No, it's the other way around. Instead of the Jews imitating us, we should imitate them. The Israelis get $30 billion a year in foreign aid from America. The same amount given to Ireland would certainly bring a smile to Brian Cowen's face. And we'd stifle discussion the way the Jews do. What! You don't think the Irish deserve a $30-billion handout? Wassamatta - are you some kind of bigot?
seanomelbourne | May 31, 2010, 11:57 PM EDT
A good article Mr.Roberts but you fail in not condemning Israel directly. Their piracy actions are no more acceptable than the Somali pirates. They (the Israeli's) hijacked ship's on the high sea's and committed murder and must be brought to task for their criminal acts.