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General McChrystal will rue drunken Irish pub scene

Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 at 02:13 PM

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IrishAndProud | Jul 12, 2010, 10:01 PM EDT

Then shuvonn him/herself needs to state so, clearly...for him/herself. It is common usage among the antisemite Holocaust/denier and Holocaust threatening demogogues of this world (from Iran to Hezbollah to Hamas to Al Quaida, etc) to describe Israel as a 'rogue state,' so when someone like shuvonn (who is, shall we say, not exactly friendly to the idea of Israel and the Jews either) also chirps 'rogue state' when referring to Israel, it's just a wee bit natural that someone might think they have no use for the existence of that nation, either. Shuvonn needs to answer the question direct, him/herself.

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GeorgeDillon | Jul 10, 2010, 12:21 PM EDT

I assume she means by "rogue state" the fact that it is a state which does not respect international law or human rights.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 07, 2010, 09:59 PM EDT

shuvonn, firstly where have I ever said 're-educated?' (I still don't know what you're talking about, with that one). Secondly, you can simply REFUTE these 'twisted allegations' I've made (about your not accepting Israel's legitimacy and wanting it GONE) by simply saying otherwise, and/or explaining exactly what you meant by 'rogue state of Israel.' You haven't done so, yet (for at least two posts, now). So...what DID you mean, shuvonn, when you said 'rogue state of Israel?' If you feel 'insulted' by someone inferring that you just don't like Israel all that much (after you say 'rogue state of Israel'), then either grow a thicker skin or fess up to your rather obvious antisemitism. What, exactly, did you mean by 'rogue state of Israel?'

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shuvonn | Jul 07, 2010, 07:48 AM EDT

You think that anyone who disagrees with you should be *re-educated* you think that anyone who speaks positively about Obama is in a *potentially unhealthy* situation. Iran and China are like that and yet YOU think the US should be now???? That is what you are advocating and that appears to be acceptable to you. You take what IS actually posted and twist it beyond recognition, make broad sweeping assumptions and leaps of illogical proportion, a dangerous thing to do with words. Yet you continue to Make loose and fast allegations and never prove them, and when you cannot defend your position, you insult and call for re-education of people who disagree with you, a disturbing personality trait but it speaks volumes about you as a person.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 06, 2010, 09:31 PM EDT

Yes, shuvonn...'lame old arguments,' (that you don't think Israel is even legitimate, that you want the Jews GONE, ultimately...etc, etc) none of which you even denied. You said 'rogue state of Israel,' and you didn't even deny your intent when called on it, directly.

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shuvonn | Jul 05, 2010, 11:58 AM EDT

Lame old arguments, regurgitated over and over, along with disturbing comments that infer that one needs to be *RE-EDUCATED* if one shares an opinion that is different, what kind of democratic society would tolerate that? I know what kind of human rights record that Iran(according to Amnesty International a really bad one) has and that might be the kind of thing one could expect there and yet YOU espouse the same kind of values??

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IrishAndProud | Jul 05, 2010, 06:53 AM EDT

And you just did it again, shuvonn, proving me and monsoonman and Krauthammer right, to the letter: you said, and I quote, the 'rogue state of Israel.' Ahmadinejad talks that way about Israel, shuvonn (arent' you proud to be in such charming company?). Translation: you ALSO do NOT think Israel should exist, there IS nothing Israel could/would ever do in defense of its own existence that you would EVER consider legitimate, and you want that entire nation of six million troublesome Jews to just GO...AWAY (permanently and DEAD, preferably), whilst nations like Iran openly and verbally state their intent to wipe it off the map, with scarcely a yawn from the crowd you're part of. Now, you can come on here and deny, deny, deny that's how you feel, but you've let a wee bit too much slip out: you've delegitimized Israel's entire existence with your words, spilling the beans on your true feelings (as if those weren't already clear from your many other posts on this matter). Like a true progressive-regressive, you want the Jews, and Israel, GONE.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 05, 2010, 06:46 AM EDT

And shuvonn...did you even read a single word of the Krauthammer article I posted? Doesn't sound like it. You certainly didn't try to actually COUNTER anything said...you just snapped right back to parroting the same arguments that HE just finished tearing to shreds (indicating, again, that you have nothing else). And you're really getting funny, trying to defend the likes of this Obama/Pelosi/Reid Congress. I would advise against doing that out in public, nowadays. It's potentially unhealthy.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 05, 2010, 06:40 AM EDT

Yes, shuvonn...Obama was voted in with a majority...in 2008. That was TWO YEARS AGO, shuvonn. Where have you been, since then? Haven't you noticed the, uh, shall we say 'slight' changes in public opinion, since then? The world did not freeze-frame in 2008, in case you weren't aware. Time still continued to pass, after Obama's election...and dissent only grew, and still grows. Continuing to point out the 2008 election only shows that's all you have.

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Monsoonman | Jul 04, 2010, 10:52 PM EDT

OK so you agree that the leadership of the Gazans are gangster Jihadis, at least we're making progress. So the next logical step in your education should be your realization that Israel must protect itself from such violent thugs and need to keep weapons out of Gaza until the Gazans elect a government who will recognize Israels right to exist.

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shuvonn | Jul 04, 2010, 10:35 PM EDT

No, you do NOT know where I am going with this. You have been highly critical of Obama and how he runs this country and have made it obvious that Obama does not represent you even if he was voted in with a majority. And it has been stated that his running of the country has led to ramming through legislation that the country does not want and he is not doing a good job. And YET you want to condemn and hold responsible all of the residents of Gaza for the government they chose. Just as Israel does, however waging economic warfare against Gaza is illegal. One can feel sorry for the plight of the citizens of Gaza and not be a terrorist supporter and one can be critical of Israel and not be antisemitic, even if that is a concept you fail miserably to grasp.

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Monsoonman | Jul 04, 2010, 09:36 PM EDT

I know where you're going with this Shuvonn. The president said the blockade was unsustainable and a commission should be appointed...

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shuvonn | Jul 04, 2010, 08:28 PM EDT

Does the president of the US represent YOU Monsoonman?

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Monsoonman | Jul 04, 2010, 05:20 PM EDT

You can call all of your corrupt, bought off organizations to justify your defense of the indefensible, but the one thing you cannot do is give credence or respect to the gangsters who have utter control over Gaza...hamas.

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Monsoonman | Jul 04, 2010, 05:18 PM EDT

Hamas=corrupt jihad. How much plainer than the nose on your face can it get shuvonn? Suicide bombers, calling for the annihilation of a nation state, intolerance and destruction of all other religions, is Hamas. Just add utterly corrupt to it as the cherry on top....and this is who you defend as nauseum on this site. The Jew in Israel have every reason to not negotiate or abet these gangsters who unfortunately have seized control of Gaza. It is the Gaza residents responsibility to get non gangsters/terrorists out of their country.

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