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Catholic bishops should have declared victory on contraception -- now look like tools of the GOP

Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2012 at 08:00 AM

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eiriamach | Feb 12, 2012, 05:29 PM EST

Thanks for the explanation, Murph46. Interesting!

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mamaginnty | Feb 12, 2012, 04:26 PM EST

Rome tried to stop the pill! coming into Ireland 30 yrs ago, but it did not work. We finally got the message, that bringing 10, 12, 14 children into starving conditions was wrong, what Rome actually wanted was more little catholics. That may be why they are seen to be moving a lot of furniture towards Africa lately, thousands of little villages where they can start brainwashing once again plus there will be no little drug stores near hand to stop the babies arriving. They have it all worked out.

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rugbyplayer | Feb 12, 2012, 03:36 PM EST

The US RC bishops are basically tools of the Vatican but have shown themselves even when the late JFK was running for President to be willing tools of the GOP! The RC hierarchy worldwide since John Paul II wiped out any episcopal opposition to his Stalin-like authority and whose policy has been carried forward by Benedict XVI has once again reverted to fascism.

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Murph46 | Feb 12, 2012, 03:00 PM EST

eiriamach you are so right I said stand for what you believe,when you try to serve two masters you serve neither,as I also explained,I am no longer a RC because of the duality of stands.If you take a stance without bending and stick to that stance even though you may be wrong,I will back your right to that stance right or wrong.That is an essential American freedom!

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eiriamach | Feb 12, 2012, 02:55 PM EST

The ella pill delays ovulation for five days. It is effective even just before ovulation, the most fertile time of the cycle. While there is speculation that ella may also prevent attachment of an already-fertilized ovum to the uterine wall, there's no evidence that it has this effect, so calling it an abortion pill is a misrepresentation (otherwise known as a lie).

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EphraimKibbey | Feb 12, 2012, 02:47 PM EST

@Porickseantuny - It would not be as foolish as you imply. It would actually save the insurance companies money in the long run. Before the Affordable Care Act, many companies charged women higher premiums because of the expense of pregnancy, its complications and related diseses. Now that they are required to treat the genders equally, this will be one way that they can recoup some of their extra costs from fairly covering women's health.

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eiriamach | Feb 12, 2012, 02:39 PM EST

Murph46 writes, "When is it a grave mistake to stand for what you believe?" It's a grave mistake when the bishops try to wear two hats at once. As churchmen, they have all the religious freedom they need to condemn contraception; heck, they even have TV and radio stations--the mass media--as well as pulpits on Sunday, classrooms, newspapers and magazines, and Internet sites. All of those resources have not enabled them to bring their own flocks into line on contraception--yes, contraception--abortion is NOT the issue at stake in the HHS rule. So they plan to bring the coercive power of government to bear on women by trying to make contraceptives unavailable or unaffordable. They're wearing their politicians' hats at full tilt now. But they cannot wield the moral influence they might have had wearing their bishops' hats. It's simple common sense that contraception reduces the number of abortions, that married couples need to plan their families, and that wives need to work to provide for the children they already have. With their moral authority undermined by the sexual abuse scandal, they're rolling the dice, gambling their numbers power now-- Catholic voters. But not even Catholic women will vote to have a misogynist religious organization nullify their right to equal health insurance. Not even if the Ella pill were an abortion drug (it's not)! I will not weep in November to see the bishops bring down the GOP candidate with their vicious but ill-fated War on Women!

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carlow98 | Feb 12, 2012, 02:34 PM EST

Your statement Mr. Patrick Roberts "The refusal of the Catholic Bishop's Conference to accept the Obama compromise on birth control and contraception is a grave mistake." My statement "No it's not. Don't be shortsighted Mr. Roberts."

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Murph46 | Feb 12, 2012, 02:13 PM EST

jamyourbrain where have i referenced forcing anything on anyone,you may try to put words in my mouth but you would as usual be wrong.Everyone has a right to believe what they believe look it up in the US Bill of rights!I've never advocated forcing anything on anybody and besides in your case trying to force common sense upon you would be an obvious waste of time!

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bunkerisland | Feb 12, 2012, 02:12 PM EST

I know few of these elders in black should have considered some birth control strategies for themselves rather than create bastards around the world.

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Pittsburghkid | Feb 12, 2012, 01:46 PM EST

Mr. Roberts: This is not a right wing cause. This is about Church Doctrine, which Conservative support. Obama's deal is a deal with the Devil. The Church buys the package insurance without listing free Abortion Pills, but their there. The only person being fooled is you. Now concerning the Church making a big mistake by enforcing it's own doctrine. You, the Government Propaganda Media, and the Democrats are no friend of the Catholic Church. So where is the mistake. This is about Religious Freedom, and the battle is not limited to Catholic. There are many other religion, who do not want Obama to dictate to them either.

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Nicomax | Feb 12, 2012, 01:37 PM EST

The Catholic Church, not unlike other religious groups, are free to practice their religion as they choose, and try to convince everyone else that theirs is the one true doctrine. After that they are no different than any other private group that attempts to insist their laws, rules and regulations trump civil law. Maybe in Ireland, Spain or many Arab countries this may be true, but not here.

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Porickseantuny | Feb 12, 2012, 01:36 PM EST

How naive anyone is to think that insurance companies are going to provide coverage for the "morning after pill" i.e. abortion, for nothing. The church groups will pay for the coverage through their premiums.

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CitizenWhy | Feb 12, 2012, 01:27 PM EST

Remember, according to new Catholic church dogma, every time a man - lay or cleric - masturbates he is killing a huge number of babies. ... Time for intelligent people to flee.

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jamthecat | Feb 12, 2012, 01:09 PM EST

Murph46, it's one thing to have your own beliefs and quite another to force those on people who don't share those beliefs. That's not American; that's communism, and it's what radicals on both ends of the spectrum demand with their "My way or the highway" attitudes. But being one of those radicals, how could you possibly even begin to see that as referencing your own commentaries?

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