Bigoted Orange Order should be banned from marching in Dublin -- Anti-Catholic hatred they spout has no place in modern Ireland
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It is always the weak-kneed liberals in Irish political parties who demand that we should consider the rights of such an organization to march through Irish streets.
They conveniently utterly ignore the massive anti-Catholicism and racism of the group, not to mention its continued propensity for violence, if it does not get its way.
There is freedom to march and then there is freedom from bigotry. The two directly clash here and the Orange Order has such a bigoted past that it should not be allowed near Dublin streets unless it changes its ways
Here is the oath every Orangeman signs up to when he is chosen to join: “He should strenuously oppose the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome, and scrupulously avoid countenancing (by his presence or otherwise) any act or ceremony of Popish worship; he should, by all lawful means, resist the ascendancy of that Church, its encroachments, and the extension of its power.”
The F-- the Pope Bands who take part in Orange marches sing a wonderful air called “We are the Billy Boys,” the first verse goes like this:
Hello! Hello! We are the Billy Boys
Hello! Hello! You'll know us by our noise
We're up to our necks in Fenian blood
Surrender or you'll die.
Charming I’m sure.
Anti-Catholicism is rampant. On July 12, 1996, Robert Saulters, a future Grand Master of the Orange Order, told a meeting that the British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, "has already sold his birthright by marrying a Romanist. He would sell his soul to the devil himself. He is not loyal to his religion. He is a turncoat."
One can only imagine how Saulters felt when Balir himself converted to Catholicism.
Should we encourage these bigots to march in Dublin? I really don’t think so. Despite best efforts in recent years to somehow portray the Orange marches as cultural rather than triumphal events, the reality of the sectarian swagger deep in the souls of the serried files of Orangemen marching is never far away.
We are on the cusp of July 12th week when Northern Ireland resounds to the pounding of the Orange Order’s Lambeg drums as they commemorate their distant victory over Catholic King James at the Battle of the Boyne.
The year 1690 never seems as alive as it does during Orange marching week. Bonfires, “Kick the Pope” bands and displays of triumphalism all take over as the masses seek to insist that “God is a Prod,” as one Orangemen memorably remarked.
Yes, we have progressed mightily in Northern Ireland, but in spite of rather than because of the Orange Order.
This is a group that continues to refuse to negotiate over marches through Nationalist areas, a group that most recently brought Northern Ireland to the verge of conflagration over the contentious Drumcree march.
They have been a massive brake on progress, unyielding and unflinching in their sense of superiority and their right to rule.
In fairness many leading Unionists also recognize the need to change, and the power sharing government is an overwhelming acknowledgement of that.
But like the dissident IRA groups on the Nationalist side, there are still irredentist forces on the other side such as large elements of the Orange Order.
The idea of encouraging them to march through Dublin streets sends the wrong message altogether.
Would they invite the hardline Dissident IRA supporters to do the same up the Shankill Road in Belfast?
You can bet not. Irish authorities should feel the same about them marching in Dublin.
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IrelandNorth | Jul 16, 2012, 08:05 AM EDT
The original plantation of Ulster (and Munster!) were extremely unpleasant affairs. Dispossession, forcible evictions en masse of Gaelic natives. Land grants given to English and Scottish settlers. 7,000 people were slaughtered in one day at the Battle of Aughrim in Galway in 1691. Celebrating such ethnic cleansings is hardly conducive to peace and reconciliation. Why not celebrate the more positive aspects of protestantism. Alas, I did intuit a dumbing down of the Lambeg this time round. One gets a distinct impression reason is filtering through.
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seanomelb | Jul 16, 2012, 12:38 AM EDT
Sirpeter the more things change the more they stay the same. Expecting common sense from that lot is futile.
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seanomelb | Jul 14, 2012, 07:25 PM EDT
post gone again!!!!!!!
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sirpeter | Jul 14, 2012, 10:00 AM EDT
A loyalist band has been filmed stopping to play loyalist tunes outside a Catholic church in north Belfast.At the end of one of the videos, the person recording it is confronted and threatened by members of another band.At one point the band was playing the music of "the famine song", an anti-Catholic song which originated in Glasgow.A man who filmed one of the videos - and who did not want to be named - said it happened shortly after the main Belfast Orange Order parade left Carlisle Circus.He said they played for 15 to 20 minutes and at one point were dancing outside it while drums were being played."The actions of the band outside St Patrick's Church was deeply provocative," he said.He said the words of the famine song were "deeply offensive and verging on racism".Community worker Frank Dempsey described it as "totally provocative".
"Every year, up around Carrickhill and St Patrick's Chapel, we're subject to the same thing," he said.
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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 08:42 PM EDT
Seano.He hasn't scored even one point.If he did I would tell him.This guy is looking for me to produce a written policy/confession from a bunch of Orange Order bigots that they are anti-catholic.I said well lets see can I separate the Orange Order from other bigot organizations.Maybe they weren't as smart at hiding their bigotry and apartheid.Anything to separate the OO.I found the KKK and Stormfront are NOT anti-negro or anti-Semitic.LOLOL.There only policy is preserving the white race.lolol.Your going to find this part amusing.On Stormfront UK some Irish racist said Ireland should rule England because we are more white and have less Jews and blacks.They all agreed Ireland was more pure and that was OK by them.They sang "Rule Hibernia"nearlylol.Ireland was the great white hope.lol Should I send Georgie Boy over to shatter their dreams? lol.He would be banned on his first post.The delusion needs to be preserved you see.
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seanomelb | Jul 13, 2012, 07:18 PM EDT
Realist is not interested in facts only in diminishing anything Irish,he's a cretin. Point scoring and not debate is his game. He's probably related to georgy boy.
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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 03:00 PM EDT
UnRealist.LOL.. All your questions have been answered.Didn't you read them?Do I need to change the font colour to orange?You're the only person here who can't read my answers to your questions.Everybody else can.I guess you can't read their answers either.I suppose we were not engaging properly with ya.lol
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Realist | Jul 13, 2012, 02:08 PM EDT
sirpeter: Lol...."damage to the Orange Order"? My friend you haven't answered a single question let alone the original point. I must be well into double figures now. Why are you so afraid to engage properly on this?
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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 01:13 PM EDT
UnRealist.LOL.Of course it's not getting to me.You do more damage to the Orange Order than I ever could.lol.I think my name for you is better than your own if you think he used violence first with those lunatics.lololol.What would I do without your scribblings lolol.On that You Tube video "Catholic Threatened as he watches an Orange Order Parade, New Lodge Area, 12th July 2012" Did you see how confused the child marchers were going around in circles outside the Catholic Church? They didn't understand but they will lol.Also the irony of Scots plantation settlers tooting their rendition of Sloop John B ""the famine is over why don't ye go home"lolollol
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Realist | Jul 13, 2012, 12:33 PM EDT
sirpeter: Lol....this is really getting to you, isn't it? How can you condone or justify something with questions? For instance, how do you know the 'cameraman' did not "use physical violence first"? Do you know what went on before the footage was taken? By the way, should I assume that you have given up on the original point of trying to prove that the OO is an anti-Catholic organization? Are we on to child welfare now? Lol.
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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 11:25 AM EDT
Unrealist.LOL It's so easy to lead you by your big orange nose.I love leading you in the direction I want to prove a point.Who knows what the guy was wearing.But that's not the point I wanted to make again and again and again lololol.Little kids wouldn't understand the meaning of any political symbols.Yet!! These Orange Order parents/thugs during a day that is meant to be fun for their kids are willing to attack a man in front of them with a club and expose their innocent kids to violence.That's the main point I'm making on that video.And also the fact the man did not use physical violence first.By your reasoning symbols or anything provocative justifies a violent attack.If this is true then you can't justify any Orange Order parades through any Catholic areas anywhere in Ireland whose banners and symbols are also provocative. ;));));))You just condoned the use of physical violence by way of argument and also against the use of provocative banners and symbols.lolololol.Well done Brit.I couldn't have said it better.
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bunkerhill | Jul 13, 2012, 10:43 AM EDT
Realist - We have been to Boston to visit my husband's ancestor's commenoration and know so much more about the battle than you do. The Americans were sadly outnumbered but were tremendous marksmen having been shooting small game from early childhood.
The British won the battle but lost the war if you remember. They also had trouble holding on to their soldiers who continually tried to dessert. The greatest marksman in the REvolutionary was a young man from Pennsylvania named Timothy Murphy (so sorry about that) who picked off a British general in New York State. The British troops became demoralized by the loss of their leader and scattered. That has always been a major difference between British and American armies. The British are headless with a leader while the next American steps up if a leader is lost. Please quote one instance when I said we disliked Scots. I repeatedly said we love them and have them in our family. We love Scots but not the bigoted OO. We love Germans but not the Nazis. By the way I saw a blurb on TV this morning that the OO parade descended into violence. Have to go and look it up.
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Realist | Jul 13, 2012, 10:06 AM EDT
sirpeter: Lol....is this supposed to 'prove' that the OO, as an organization, is anti-Catholic? Well, I have looked at the YouTube video referenced. Like the celebration after the "Battle of the Diamond", I have similar questions. Firstly, how do you know the person holding the camera is a Catholic? How do you know those approaching him know he is a Catholic? How do you know they approached him because of his religion? Are these bandsmen even members of the OO? An alternative take on this....Perhaps the 'cameraman' was wearing a provocative (pro-IRA for example) t-shirt in the hope of soliciting this type of response to then run off and up-load it on YouTube making clear his religion in the clip's title? Last question....was it you? Lol.
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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 08:39 AM EDT
citizen69. Your last comment is where you express your true feeling about the Orange Order.Quote"The less confrontation there is, the less controversy is caused, the less tension exists and everybody can get on with their lives".Unquote. Take a look at the You Tube video here.~~"Catholic Threatened as he watches an Orange Order Parade, New Lodge Area, 12th July 2012"~~ I guess manhandled with clubs is still just called a threat in NI even by catholics.Anyone who looks at this video can see this is apartheid at work.In front of kids they openly attacked a guy with a club just for filming the parade.There was so little people there. Their kids have got to have seen this.I would never expose my children to this brutality.This behavior is condoned by the Orange Order.Irish children must tolerate and see this? One child is too many.It would be child abuse and shocking for them to see it.
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