Bigoted Orange Order should be banned from marching in Dublin -- Anti-Catholic hatred they spout has no place in modern Ireland
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| The Orange men marching on Drumcree Church |
It is always the weak-kneed liberals in Irish political parties who demand that we should consider the rights of such an organization to march through Irish streets.
They conveniently utterly ignore the massive anti-Catholicism and racism of the group, not to mention its continued propensity for violence, if it does not get its way.
There is freedom to march and then there is freedom from bigotry. The two directly clash here and the Orange Order has such a bigoted past that it should not be allowed near Dublin streets unless it changes its ways
Here is the oath every Orangeman signs up to when he is chosen to join: “He should strenuously oppose the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome, and scrupulously avoid countenancing (by his presence or otherwise) any act or ceremony of Popish worship; he should, by all lawful means, resist the ascendancy of that Church, its encroachments, and the extension of its power.”
The F-- the Pope Bands who take part in Orange marches sing a wonderful air called “We are the Billy Boys,” the first verse goes like this:
Hello! Hello! We are the Billy Boys
Hello! Hello! You'll know us by our noise
We're up to our necks in Fenian blood
Surrender or you'll die.
Charming I’m sure.
Anti-Catholicism is rampant. On July 12, 1996, Robert Saulters, a future Grand Master of the Orange Order, told a meeting that the British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, "has already sold his birthright by marrying a Romanist. He would sell his soul to the devil himself. He is not loyal to his religion. He is a turncoat."
One can only imagine how Saulters felt when Balir himself converted to Catholicism.
Should we encourage these bigots to march in Dublin? I really don’t think so. Despite best efforts in recent years to somehow portray the Orange marches as cultural rather than triumphal events, the reality of the sectarian swagger deep in the souls of the serried files of Orangemen marching is never far away.
We are on the cusp of July 12th week when Northern Ireland resounds to the pounding of the Orange Order’s Lambeg drums as they commemorate their distant victory over Catholic King James at the Battle of the Boyne.
The year 1690 never seems as alive as it does during Orange marching week. Bonfires, “Kick the Pope” bands and displays of triumphalism all take over as the masses seek to insist that “God is a Prod,” as one Orangemen memorably remarked.
Yes, we have progressed mightily in Northern Ireland, but in spite of rather than because of the Orange Order.
This is a group that continues to refuse to negotiate over marches through Nationalist areas, a group that most recently brought Northern Ireland to the verge of conflagration over the contentious Drumcree march.
They have been a massive brake on progress, unyielding and unflinching in their sense of superiority and their right to rule.
In fairness many leading Unionists also recognize the need to change, and the power sharing government is an overwhelming acknowledgement of that.
But like the dissident IRA groups on the Nationalist side, there are still irredentist forces on the other side such as large elements of the Orange Order.
The idea of encouraging them to march through Dublin streets sends the wrong message altogether.
Would they invite the hardline Dissident IRA supporters to do the same up the Shankill Road in Belfast?
You can bet not. Irish authorities should feel the same about them marching in Dublin.
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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 06:53 AM EDT
Unrealist.You Tube~~Catholic Threatened as he watches an Orange Order Parade, New Lodge Area, 12th July 2012~~~~Can you explain this?
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Realist | Jul 13, 2012, 03:58 AM EDT
bunkerhill: From memory and the few times I have visited Boston, the "Battle of Bunker Hill" was actually fought on Breed's Hill and was won by the British. By the way, what have you got against the Scots?
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Realist | Jul 13, 2012, 03:53 AM EDT
seanomelb: Lol....the Republic of Ireland has a navy? Their navy reserve has enough people to form a "guard of honour"? You surprise me. Firstly, not "some" Irish government ministers elected to stand outside the church service for Hyde, all but one did. It seems that, even in death, the fact that he was a Protestant mattered more than him being a fellow Irishman. As for the case of Ronan Kerr's funeral....an internal complaint was raised by a single Orange lodge about members' attendance, however this was overruled by the relevant internal committee of the organization. The OO did not "vilify" anyone for attendance of this service and unlike the Irish government ministers at Hyde's funeral, the OO members went in. Also, why Scots-Irish 'not ok' and Irish-American 'ok'? I would think both or neither.
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merefalow | Jul 12, 2012, 08:20 PM EDT
COMPUTER SAYS,NON,NO,NOT FECKING EVER.
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seanomelb | Jul 12, 2012, 06:27 PM EDT
Realist as a serving member of An Slua muire(Irish naval reserve)a choice was given as to whether you wished to be part of a guard of honour at a religious service.So protestants who did not wish to enter another denominational service could opt out and visa versa.The Irish government ministers did attend the funeral of Dr.Hyde some elected to stand outside the church for the service.I will also remind you of the N.I. protestants who were vilified by the OO for attending the service of a catholic police officer. How hilarious is that BTW Scots Irish my foot.
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Realist | Jul 12, 2012, 05:40 PM EDT
bunkerhill: Yes, indeed, Douglas Hyde, a Protestant, "was elected the first President of the new Republic by an overwhelmingly catholic population". Too bad that because he was a Protestant his funeral service was overwhelmingly unattended by all but one of his Catholic cabinet colleagues. I also find it hilarious that you question the Scots-Irish dual identity on an overtly Irish-American website....lol.
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Realist | Jul 12, 2012, 05:13 PM EDT
sirpeter: Lol....my friend, you have still not proven that the OO, as an organization, is anti-Catholic. I have already dealt with the rather weak and predictable 'points' you raised. To be honest, it wasn't a very difficult task. For instance, can you produce a reliable contempory source that claims (regarding the "Battle of the Diamond") that the victors killed or celebrated the deaths of those killed because they were Catholics? After all, that is your assertion, is it not? The OO is hardly a secret society....there were thousands of them walking the streets of Northern Ireland today. I don't remember seeing any of them wearing masks or advocating the extermination of any religious, ethnic, or racial group....do you? Also, and a little food for thought for you, why would the Republic of Ireland, an overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country, dedicate a full third of their national flag to the colour of an allegedly anti-Catholic organisation? To paraphrase the movie "Training Day"....it's not what you want, it's what you can prove. Are you getting this yet?
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cavan61 | Jul 12, 2012, 12:38 PM EDT
It would be a great gesture to let the Orange march in Dublin. I'm a committed Catholic, and an important tenet of Christianity is to love thy neighbor. It would be a welcome sign of tolerance to Protestant Irish, many of whom are ashamed of these Orange marchers.
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ancavker | Jul 12, 2012, 11:18 AM EDT
sean: The Postman in my Father's home place near the border was still the Postman after independence, and he was a local Protestant.
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sirpeter | Jul 11, 2012, 10:01 PM EDT
The Parades Commission ruled they must pass a flashpoint Catholic area at Ardoyne by 16:00 BST.Mr Gibson refused to say whether members would abide by the Parades Commission ruling.Northern Ireland's First Minister Peter Robinson tweeted: "Good to see Orange Order giving responsible leadership to maintain peaceful outcome in spite of outrageous Parades Commission ruling."Police have said they will "robustly uphold" the Parades Commission decision banning Orangemen from walking past shops in the nationalist area of north Belfast after the deadline passes.Assistant Chief Constable Will Kerr said there would be no leeway."We will uphold the Parades Commission determination and its timings," he said.Thousands of officers are on standby to police the parade in Ardoyne, that has preceded serious rioting in recent years.Last year, 16 police officers were injured during sustained disturbances the area.The overall policing bill for the marching season in 2011 was £5.7m. There were 160 arrests.~~Hello! Hello! We are the Billy Boys
Hello! Hello! You'll know us by our noise
We're up to our necks in Fenian blood
Surrender or you'll die.~~~Wonderful Culture lol
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seanomelb | Jul 11, 2012, 07:32 PM EDT
citizen69 amnesty was a two way street in 1921. Tell me my fine friend why were non political ordinary working nationalists murdered by your orange pals after 1921 and in particular those who worked in the shipyards and distilleries. You should write to Dano he has a few pair of orange tinted glasses to spare. You show me where protestant workers were denied jobs in the 26 counties or thrown off scaffolding. And their's no maybes about it.
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bunkerhill | Jul 11, 2012, 03:11 PM EDT
Hi folks. This will probably be our last post as Bunkerhill is not well. I am his wife. However in reading many of the posts about protestant travails in the Republic of Ireland during their struggle for independence, can anyone tell me how it happened that a protestant, Douglas Hyde, was elected the first President of the new Republic by an overwhelmingly catholic population. Can anyone explain Robert Emmet, an extraordinary protestant Irish patriot, along with so many like him. As for Citizen 69, our sign on bunkerhill commemorates the Revolutionary Battle of Bunker Hill in which my husband's family participated. Indeed he has an ancestor commemorated there. We do know our American History while you do not. The now state of Maryland was actually carved out for the Irish Catholics by the crown before the revolution. Get it? Mary Land. The Irish in Virginia were also Irish Catholics. Once again we will say both of us have Scots in our family, many of whom are catholic, and they are the most loving people. We also have Scots presbyterians and again they are loving people. So the OO stand out as being unique in their bigotry and vitriol. There is a great book called "The Scots-Irish" written by a Southern US author who once again outlines the history of the expelled South West Scots. It is not a pretty history. His name escapes me but you can probably find it under the title. Interesting that the US govt decided to do away with the "Scots-Irish" designation. Choose one or the other. If you want to be a Scot, go there, if they will let you back in.
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sirpeter | Jul 11, 2012, 02:00 PM EDT
citizen69.So you missed all my witty comments on IC over the last year? That's a pity.Though I have to admit IC is a tough audience.Redbranch made a very funny comment relating to Lennox the dog been killed.He said the dog should be buried in Miltown cemetery in a Repuppyican plot with full honors.lololol.~That gave me a good laugh.But not one person laughed at his sense of humour over on that article.Imagine how dull a night out with them would be. ;))
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sirpeter | Jul 11, 2012, 01:39 PM EDT
Unrealist..LOL.The bigot pin is well and truly stuck on the Orange donkey.So again I say you want actual written policy by the OO stating that they are anti-catholic? lololol.The Ku Klux Klan don't have a written policy that they are anti-Negro ect.Stormfront don't have a written policy that they are anti-Jew ect.So I take it if I can't provide the written policies of these organizations they are harmless? So in your mind WORDS speak louder than actions?~~~Grand Master of the OO and the Grand Wizard of the KKK to a Human Rights Judge!! You're Honor..It is purely circumstantial that all these Catholic house burnings and nig*er lynchings happened during our festivities in the past. It's not our policy your honor~See!! Have a look?? We only want to preserve our Protestant White Western Culture and NI Protestant Culture.~~You believe us don't you your honor???.NO!!!!Nobody does!!~FU*K!! What part of our policies don't you believe???~~ lolololol.So just because these insidious organizations don't put their bigotry in writing they are innocent? Answer that question first??.We can discuss any detail then about the Diamond massacre in which 30 Catholics managed to get themselves killed and not one Protestant.The worse case of mass suicide before Bloody Sunday.lolol
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