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US won a world war in 4 years, yet after 10 years we are still getting killed in Afghanistan

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 US guards at a prison holding dangerous combatants in Afghanistan, discovered defaced  Korans had been used to pass information amongst the prisoners.  Evidently our soldiers hadn't gotten the latest Fatwah regarding proper disposal of defaced Korans and had ended up burning them in a small bonfire.

The innocent burnings of these books has sparked religious outrage and caused the murder and injury of US troops throughout this country.  For days all hell has broken loose in this land, as if a floodgate had been thrown open,

But is this just symptomatic of something far greater than the burnings of a few books?  How many Korans have been destroyed and burned by Taliban terror strikes on the people of Afghanistan?...and yet we saw no mass demonstrations by the native population against these acts.

Of course in a different time, the United States waged war to win war,  we (and our allies) won a world war in less than four years in the 1940's.  In World War II as American forces entered Germany,  if they were fired upon, artillery opened up on the village the gunfire came from and flattened it.  That put a quick end to resistance as folks learned  there would be consequences, especially with American Generals like Patton in command. The German people soon sought out and exposed or killed those amongst them who wanted to continue the war. Resistance to American forces soon ceased and we began to help the German people. America stayed in Germany to help rebuild the country into the economic powerhouse it is today and also to guard against Soviet expansion.

But Afghanistan has proven to be a totally different sort of war.  After 10 years of "winning hearts and minds" it appears it is still a dangerous, violent country, ready to explode at any sort of spark, like one from a burning Koran.

Should we have used more Patton and less patent leather to conduct our "war"?

The biggest cash crop in Afghanistan is still the opium poppy, which is the basis for the heroin imported into Europe and the United States. Afghanistan produces 90% of the worlds opium and production has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001. Opium is also one of the main sources of money for the Taliban who are killing our troops. Why are these opium farms still allowed to flourish while Afghanistan is supposedly under our military control?

Furthermore, after all of this blood and sacrifice by US forces, it was learned Afghanistan signed an oil extraction agreement with China in 2011 that lets China exploit Afghan resources. Who is in charge of our foreign policy?

The Afghan people are exotic, you can see they bear resemblance to all of the past invaders of their country who tried and failed to rule this wild land. Alexander the Great with his Greek Army, Arab Muslims, Genghis Khan and his Mongols, the British and the Russians, all eventually were defeated and forced to leave.

Afghanistan has been chewing up and spitting out foreign invaders for over two thousand years. America has been in this country for 10 years and it seems there is no end in sight, unless a severe policy change comes into effect and that doesn't seem likely.

When we see our soldiers getting shot because a book was burned, when we see Afghanistan as the biggest producer of opium in the world and when we see China slipping in signing trade agreements with this government including oil rights, right under our noses....We wonder what the blood toil and tears are for?

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So OLoingsigh: interesting that you claim to have been in Afghanistan. What were you up to there? Given your nasty postings on Irish nationality I'm sure you were involved in nothing good or decent. Big fan of NATO civilian bombing, are you? Never seems to have occurred to warmongers such as you that you don't win hearts and minds by blowing them up.
Sirpete – I only made the point about the Irish army detachment, one) to demonstrate that it was not simply a NATO taskforce and two) because I saw them with my own eyes. Now to the poppy growing; it is true that the Taliban cracked down on the poppy harvest, but it is also true that they are now involved in controlling the illegal labs where the process of turning opium into diamorphine (aka Heroin) is carried out. It is a valuable ‘cash crop’, and there has was a long-running debate amongst the allies as to how much resource to put into prevention of growing, with the risk of alienating the locals by preventing them from supporting their families…Given the cost in lives and resources, I just don’t buy the theory that NATO was in cahoots with organized crime…that’s not saying that individual soldiers have not got involved. The writ of the Afghan government does not run very far outside Kabul, so if a local warlord or other leader wants to allow production, it will happen…think S Armagh and diesel laundering ;))
Dano.All information received is open to question.I mean how do you know your father is really your father?Because your mother told you so!!That's why.You believe it to be a fact.But that also might not be a true.I just put down the opinions of Mullah Amir Mohammed Haqqani,the Taliban's top drug official in Nangarhar and a 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program.Your argument back was "The Irish army have a detachment in Kabul, so its not just NATO" along with your own personal opinions.Which is OK.But you did very little to prove their "facts" are untrue.So to me their "facts" stand and your "facts" are brought on-board too.I now have more "facts" and understanding.It's all good isn't it? ;))
Sirpete - Some facts aren't really facts...I have worked in Afghanistan since the invasion, Kabul, Jalalabad, Kunduz,Mazar e Sharif etc. and have seen how things are...outside the towns it looks almost biblical...I think the 'nation building' project is beyond anyone's ability...the 'window'of goodwill, and there was a definite window when the memories of the Taliban times were fresh in peoples minds, was wasted by the Iraq campaign...how to exit and leave a degree of stability seems to be the current strategy...if that can be called a strategy?
Mangling fact and fiction doesn't help...As Azerbaijan does not share a border with Afghanistan, there is no prospect of any pipeline as stated...there is an existing Azerbaijan pipeline and a proposed one via Turkey to the Black Sea...There is a proposed LNG pipeline through Afghanistan from the north...but no 'build' timeline, due to instability...Has nobody seen the frequent torching of oil tank trucks in Pakistan? That's how NATO supplies most of its own AVTUR etc...time for yet another conspiracy theory???
sounds a right mess doesn't it,well it would be if the purpose of the invasion had not been achieved,the oil pipe line from Azerbaijan to Karachi in Pakistan was under way two days after the British USA multi national oil companies invasion.mission accomplished.sorry i meant British army invasion,not.also how could the USA be so insensitive about disrespect to the Koran,surely their training would emphasize how delicately these things have to be handled,they just played right into their fanatical hands,the codes obviously had to be destroyed(discretely springs to mind}now how many are dead through ignorance and stupidity.
Dano.I just posts facts to the best of my knowledge.People can make up their own minds.I'm sure every time I buy a gallon of petrol somewhere along the line I'm financing NATO.I'll take my share of the guilt don't worry.
ITS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE that heroin production is up 93%in a country western nations have invaded,the western world iS awash with mind, body, family destroying drugs,it couldn't exist without the active collusion of the so called enforcement agencies,but then(THIS IS A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS)IT COULD BE DESTROYED OVERNIGHT if they brought in the death penalty for dealing.but when you have our troops protecting the drug crop,it makes you,or it should make you think?shades of Brit Hongcong turning the Chinese on and selling them the stuff,boxer rebellion, opium wars.something really rotten in the state of Denmark.
Sirpete - The Irish army have a detachment in Kabul, so its not just NATO...and many millions of Afghans fled the country during the Taliban years...warlords and zealots will bring more misery to that land after the pullout...the most threatened will be the tens of thousands who have 'collaborated' by driving, interpreting etc. for ISAF.
When we see a US President that responds to the killing of US soldiers with an apology to the government that does nothing to stop the madness, is it really any wonder?
Open your eyes..the USA and its NATO allies are protecting their drug interests in Afghanistan…the web is so tangled and intricate that explaining it here would be a waste of time. Know this, before NATO intervention the Taliban had almost wiped Opium production out.The big economic hit to Organized crime and its western world government ties watched millions of dollars evaporate..thus the war.JALALABAD, Afghanistan (February 15, 2001)U.N. drug control officers said the Taliban religious militia has nearly wiped out opium production in Afghanistan -- once the world's largest producer -- since banning poppy cultivation last summer.The Taliban, which has imposed a strict brand of Islam in the 95 percent of Afghanistan it controls,has set fire to heroin laboratories and jailed farmers until they agreed to destroy their poppy crops.Mullah Amir Mohammed Haqqani,the Taliban's top drug official in Nangarhar, said the ban would remain regardless of whether the Taliban received aid or international recognition.It is our decree that there will be no poppy cultivation.It is banned forever in this country," he said. "Whether we get assistance or not,poppy growing will never be allowed again in our country. A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation's largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year."We are not just guessing.We have seen the proof in the fields," said Bernard Frahi, regional director for the U.N. program in Afghanistan and Pakistan.He laid out photographs of vast tracts of land cultivated with wheat alongside pictures of the same fields taken a year earlier -- a sea of poppies.Now you have US soldiers patrolling the poppy fields to protect them from the Taliban.It's the Chinese opium wars all over again.
Sir Peter, wasn't aware NATO was taxing anything over there....Iconocles: America suffered more casualties in one day, D-Day, than in the whole ten year "war" in Afghanistan......Joycean, Thank you and I agree, us pulling out of Afghanistan will be brutal on the women....George, agreed 10 years is long enough....Pattbaa, I am not sure the US & it's allies wd settle for an armistice w/ Germany in Europe a 2nd time.
--The U.S could have liberated Western Europe withot a SINGLE casuality simply by arranging an armistice ( a temporary truce ) with the Germans with this condition---The US would end all hostilities against Germany if Germany would end their occupation of Western Europe. This would allow the Germans to fight only one enemy, Russia , and the Germans would have readily seized the opprotunity.The result would be Germans soldiers killing Russian solders instead of American soldiers , a situation that would have horrified Franklin D . Russianvelt ( read "Roosevelt" ) and his Communist-loving lackeys.--- When Germany attacked Russia, a then obscure , latter-to-be-famous U.S Senator in a Senate speech said this-- " We should help the Russians if the Germans are winning , and help the Germans if the Russians are winning , and thereby let them kill each other"--- And this U S Senator was ----? Proud And Thankfull , Greenwich Connecticut
Some of the incidents in Afghanistan in which NATO forces killed large numbers of civilians remind me of the old Vietnam dictum of the colonel who was quoted: We had to destroy the village in order to save it. I don't expect much from NATO, in fact could someone tell me why this organization exists 20 years after the Soviet Union fell? We need to make some kind of deal with the Taliban, in which we ensure that they never again allow their country to be used to attack the USA. That shouldn't be too hard, I think they'll have learned their lesson. Once we get a hard deal done, we get out.
Good article, Ed. I imagine most Americans are thinking the same thing. Panetta said we would be leaving next year. I think sooner might be better. We were supposed to stay to "train" Afghan forces, but with these murders in the Afghan ministry, that seems pointless. The most serious loss will be to Afghan women.
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