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From the Right by Ed Farnan

Supreme Court OK of Obamacare is a huge gift to Mitt Romney and GOP

Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 02:55 PM

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seanomelb | Jul 04, 2012, 07:36 PM EDT

Happy July 4th. Mman

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Monsoonman | Jul 04, 2012, 01:32 PM EDT

He invented the game :)...Jes sayin' lad, never hurts to hedge yer bets.

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seanomelb | Jul 03, 2012, 11:11 PM EDT

Does he play golf??

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Monsoonman | Jul 03, 2012, 07:04 PM EDT

Lad I sense U have had a sort of religious conversion, thanking God...finally see the light and coming over to our side? :)

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seanomelb | Jul 03, 2012, 06:58 PM EDT

Thank God for government regulations which the GOP wish to destroy.

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Monsoonman | Jul 03, 2012, 05:58 PM EDT

Who said let the corps run hog wild? The place for government is exactly as a referee and protector of the citizens, not as an investor or nanny. The Govt. did it's job. BTW the govt did a good job busting Barclays Bank for manipulating the LIBOR rate to rip the worlds citizens off...Bravo

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seanomelb | Jul 02, 2012, 08:23 PM EDT

Glaxo Kline have been found guilty of fraud and fined $3 billion dollars, so much for corporate governance.

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Monsoonman | Jul 02, 2012, 05:13 PM EDT

As you can see from my post, if healthcare costs were dealt with 1st, it would dramatically reduce the price of healthcare. But 0bama chose NOT to stir up his herd of pet projects and sacred cows...they're all contentedly feeding in the healthcare trough

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seanomelb | Jul 02, 2012, 12:07 AM EDT

Some come from GOV. funded universities and private enterprise so....85% may have private cover but what % are battling to pay inflated insurance how? many go without basics to pay insurance?

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Monsoonman | Jul 01, 2012, 06:42 PM EDT

Those cutting edge pharmas and technologies are coming from American and multi national companies...Yes the employees may be Irish, but the companies and capital are not really

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eiriamach | Jul 01, 2012, 05:00 PM EDT

Catch up, Monsoonman, Ireland has 18 of the world's top 20 pharmaceutical companies and 15 of the top 25 med-tech companies, is the third largest exporter of medical devices, fourth largest of pharma, and its life science sector employs 52,000 people (as of 2009). Ireland has dozens of medical technology centers with academic or clinical research facilities, all contributing innovations that place Ireland at the forefront of these fields. Partnership with American and other companies has probably kept some of the programs going through economic hard times, but they continue to produce award-winning, exportable medicines, med technology, and innovative procedures. 'Ask About Ireland' web site: "More recently, researchers working in Galway for the US company, Boston Scientific, developed a new approach to tackling blocked arteries: they combined a stent (a metal cylinder used to hold an artery open and maintain blood flow) with a cholesterol-busting drug, and a polymer to control the release of the drug. Their device now generates €1 million in sales every hour for the company. This is part of Ireland's successful medical devices industry, that is part research and part manufacturing.

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Monsoonman | Jun 30, 2012, 09:19 PM EDT

Sorry to tell you lad, but many of those life saving technologies come from the free market profit based systems...How many cutting edge technologies come from the socialized medical world: crickets. How many ambulance chasers do you have in your country like our John Edwards who prey on your medical system and become hundred millionaires...Someone has to pay for those jets and 30K s.f. mansions and we do. The truth is that 85% of Americans are covered w/ ins. We need changes and they would be simple, but many fat pigs are going to squeal.

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seanomelb | Jun 30, 2012, 08:08 PM EDT

Mman to state that people travel to America to pay thousands for treatment when they can obtain it for nothing in their own country is ridiculous.If what you mean to say is that people seek treatment or cures for specific health conditions that may be true,that is also true for other countries regardless of whether they have mandated care or not.I live in oz and every working person pays 1% of their salary or slightly more for H/care. Those who can afford it can supplement their care with private cover.If you are hospitalised in Australia you will not receive a bill for your stay and that includes scans/pathology and x rays.A quick example Mman I take Warfarin it costs me $17 for 50 tablets. Everybody is covered from billionaires to those living on the streets and yet the system is not perfect as there will always be those who rort it.America is a great country Mman but lacks respect in protecting the health of the middle class and the poor and prefers to protects shareholders in private healthcare companies. "Death through profit" is not acceptable.

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BrianO | Jun 30, 2012, 05:44 PM EDT

Eiriamach was that the acorn used by Obama that was exposed to committing voter fraud. Don't you have your own country to ruin?Could some one fill me in on wait times in this medical utopia, any age cut offs for knee or hip replacements? How old do you have to be when the loving government decides you are taking up space.

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eiriamach | Jun 30, 2012, 04:40 PM EDT

Also, Moonsoonman, about the "batteries of unnecessary procedures" you mention-- Much of it comes from the AMA changing the way internal medicine is practiced in the USA. Many of the tests that you consider "unnecessary" are what the AMA considers preventive practice, designed to diagnose problems in early stages, when they are most easily and inexpensively treated. I'd go for once-a-year checkups at Scripps, a top-notch facility in CA, and my internal medicine guy would schedule me for tests I should have according to risk factors tied to my age and my genetic background. Sometimes I could talk him out of the tests; other times I couldn't, and once he was right about an early diagnosis resulting from testing. That's how they practice medicine now. Get used to it! It actually saves money and suffering in the long run.

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eiriamach | Jun 30, 2012, 04:26 PM EDT

OK, Monsoonman, IF you're right that the high cost of American health care is due to malpractice suits, then you're wrong about people coming to the USA for their health care from countries with socialized health care systems. If there's so much malpractice here, so much discontent with the results of American health care, why would anyone from another country come here for a doctor or surgery? How can you claim that it's a great system while you admit that it's impoverished by successful malpractice suits? Those two arguments are incompatible with each other.

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Monsoonman | Jun 30, 2012, 02:09 PM EDT

Yr either blind or feeding off the corrupt system eirmach. 40% of medical costs are attributable to and fear of lawyers in medicine. It's all driven by greed and Dr.s now practice defensive medicine by ordering batteries of unnecessary procedures...Ask an obgyn what their malpractice premiums are? Ask any Dr. not if they've been sued, but when was the last time they were sued

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eiriamach | Jun 30, 2012, 01:42 PM EDT

The Affordable Care Act focuses exactly on the primary reason for the high cost of health services and health insurance: the cost of medical care for uninsured people has been adding to the cost of services and insurance for all others. As I mentioned earlier, health services to the uninsured cost the rest of us $100 BILLION each year. Malpractice lawsuits do not come anywhere close to this problem in affecting the cost of services. When malpractice suits succeed, they save money by driving bad doctors out of the profession, and the ACA will not help bad doctors get malpractice insurance!

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Monsoonman | Jun 30, 2012, 11:42 AM EDT

If the corrupt politicians who crafted 0bamacare had addressed the reasons WHY healthcare costs are expensive, instead of leaving them intact and putting these costs on the taxpayers shoulders..It would have been the proper thing to do, healthcare could be very affordable..But they didnt and 0bamacare is corrupt and needs to be thrown out

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eiriamach | Jun 30, 2012, 09:26 AM EDT

Monsoonman, millionaires and others who can afford the high prices come here for health care, while the average middle-class American struggles to pay the cost even if he or she has insurance (which covers less than full cost and excludes many medications and procedures). The question is not whether the American health care system is good--it is. The question is whether it is available only to those able to pay astronomical costs and to those willing to impoverish their families to keep loved ones alive after insurance companies drop their coverage. It's a very basic fairness question. Health care is not a privilege of wealth; it is a basic human right, as all other countries and the UN realize. Only American Teabaggers want it dominated by the capitalist greed of insurance marketers and thus unavailable to average working people.

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Curitiba | Jun 30, 2012, 05:55 AM EDT

The Welfare State, which includes the National Health Service was probably the greatest political achievement ever accomplished in the UK. We pay for it through our taxes, it's free to use. No matter what your ailment, you will be treated, as long as you are a taxpayer. Often, it's up to the NHS to repair botched jobs on patients who went private.

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Monsoonman | Jun 29, 2012, 08:24 PM EDT

You know what saddens me Lad? Watching the movie Ole Yeller thinking it will end differently but it doesn't Yeller gets hydrophobia and gets a 30/30 slug....You have to stop reading the blarney in the MSM Lad...People that live under socialized medicine come here to get their treatments. 0bama is corrupt and preserved all of his corruption with this healthcare bill...That also saddens me

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seanomelb | Jun 29, 2012, 08:06 PM EDT

I'm saddened by your lack of knowledge Mman ask the millions of people world wide who have mandated healthcare would they swap it for your inadequate system.The answer would be no. No longer will Americans have to sell the houses or die for lack of affordation of healthcare.Your system is a "profit first death tough"system.How can you consciously support such a lousy system?

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eiriamach | Jun 29, 2012, 07:14 PM EDT

BrianO, an acorn fell from a tree and Chicken Little panicked. She thought the sky was falling and the end was upon them: "Where are you going? asks Foxey Loxey. "The sky is falling and we are going to the lion to tell him about it," says Ducky Lucky. "Do you know where he lives?" asks the fox. "I don't," says Chicken Little. "I don't," says Henny Penny. "I don't," says Ducky Lucky. "I do," says Foxey Loxey. "Come with me and I can show you the way." He walks on and on until he comes to his den. "Come right in," says Foxey Loxey. They all go in, but they never, never come out again.

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BrianO | Jun 29, 2012, 03:58 PM EDT

You that live in melbourne or dublin have nothing to lose or gain over this decision, but we who live in America have seen a remarkable transition that may sound the death knell of this experiment in freedom. "All animals are created equal some are just more equal than others" without the rule of law we return to the monarchy making the law as it suits them. the rule of law was twisted for whatever reasons, and now we only have to hope for a benevolent dictator.

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Monsoonman | Jun 29, 2012, 12:23 PM EDT

Looking at the below comments it is plain to see, little investigation is done before pressing the submit button. 0bamacare is rife w/fraud and waste, 0bamacare now institutionalizes this fraud and waste. Not one poke at the trial lawyers who 40% to the cost of everything done in healthcare...That is one of the main reasons it is so fricking expensive in the first place. How many 30,000 s.f. mansions should the John Edwards of the world need to own at our expense?

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eiriamach | Jun 29, 2012, 08:04 AM EDT

Uninsured people cost us $100 BILLION in health care each year. More than 60% of them need care from a doctor or emergency hospital staff. Congratulations that YOU can afford to pay-- through YOUR high health insurance premiums-- for these uninsured consumers of health care. I and the vast majority of Americans cannot. We're grateful for the ACA, and during the debates, when conservative voters realize that it preserves their freedom as much as any necessary federal regulation of commerce can, they will accept it because they know that a single-payer system is the only alternative (THAT's socialism, right?). As Justice Ginsburg points out in her section of the decision, "Aware that a national solution was required, Congress could have taken over the health-insurance market by establishing a tax-and-spend federal program like Social Security. Such a program, commonly referred to as a single- payer system (where the sole payer is the Federal Government), would have left little, if any, room for private enterprise or the States. Instead of going this route, Congress enacted the ACA, a solution that retains a robust role for private insurers and state governments." If, as you claim, most Americans don't want a socialized, gov't-does-all solution to unequal health care, they'll welcome the ACA because it solves "national problems directly and realistically" while safeguarding our freedom.

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kerry214 | Jun 29, 2012, 02:24 AM EDT

Ed have you been out drinking & dancing & praying with Michele Bachman again ? Your opining certainly reflects that association. Anyone with any gray matter in their head would see what Romney is, an empty suit, who has been running for President for 10 years, whose only skill is relocating US jobs overseas. So tell me Ed, are you as a flag waving member of the GOP going to be voting for a man who has Swiss Bank accounts, and hides his money in the Bahamas ? You Ole Baldheaded White Men, sure go for the draft dodgers, don't you. There's Dick Cheney, & Willard, Eric Cantor, and of course the Orange OOMa LOOPA John Boehner! They are all the Boys who want war, but they want somebody else to fight it.

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seanomelb | Jun 28, 2012, 07:22 PM EDT

Ed in wonderland again, you seem to forget romneycare in your dissertation and you may be correct the right are wringing their arms in frustration and throwing cash at the GOP. No amount of cash will save Romney four more years are almost upon us and justice was served in the supreme court. Roberts,the darling of the right has made a mockery of the GOP/Fox party.

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McNamara31 | Jun 28, 2012, 06:44 PM EDT

Well Done Justice Roberts! 32 of the 33 major industrialized nations have healthcare, and today the 33rd and richest and largest joined them. Now the "for profit" Insurance companies can NO longer drop you when you become ill or you meet the lifetime cap if you are unfortunate to have chronic illness. Today, people with pre existing conditions will no longer be ignored by insurance companies just because they were the unlucky ones. Today's young people can stay on their parents policy until age 26 and best of all, for the first time Americans will no longer go bankrupt and lose their homes, just because they lose their job and their healthcare with it.Medicare when established was good for the American people, and this too will be good for the American people. The GOP should stop fighting "against the middle class" and start working for us.

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