Should America Revert to its 1733 Borders?
By: Ed Farnan | Published Monday, June 20, 2011, 2:50 AM | Updated Friday, September 9, 2011, 10:16 PM
There is talk circulating in diplomatic halls after President Obamas speech demanding Israel retreat to it's 1967 borders. The whispers are that America should set the example and revert back to its original 13 colonies borders of 1733.
After all fair is fair. Spain, France, Mexico, Russia and most of the tribes of native Americans are starting to coalesce around this idea. There is talk of a UN resolution being sponsored by Iran on behalf of those exploited by the Americans.
For those of you who attended public school and didn't get a chance to learn about this part of American history, the original American settlement was comprised of only 13 colonies. These colonies were established by the British and were comprised of mostly white Americans and according to the politically correct version of todays history lens, their main goal was to exploit native Americans, enslave blacks working on the grand plantations and not allow their womenfolk to vote, to put it in a pc nutshell. In reality the new migrants to America were of European extraction looking to start a new life in the rugged frontier, free from the tyranny of living under repressive governments.
But through warfare, chicanery, financial skulduggery, exploitation of natural resources and native peoples, Americans threw off the redcoats and commenced to expand its borders under the holy, almost God sounding mandate of "manifest destiny". Americans also used the catchphrase of "defensible borders" to justify its expansion into "other peoples land".
Finally Americas borders reached from sea to shining sea, to the present Canadian and Mexican borders and we clipped off part of Russia and grabbed an island in the mid pacific to top it off.
The USA only stopped its north and south expansions at Mexico and Canada because there were still plenty of whales in the oceans for the oil in our street lamps, so there wasn't much to exploit past the borders at that time. Petroleum wasn't recognized as a commodity...But recently the calls of "manifest destiny" have started to rumble after oil hit 100 dollars per barrel and eyes are on Canadas oil fields.
Israel is a tiny country surrounded by enemies that want to see it annihilated. It had to expand beyond its 67 borders due to warfare and belligerency from its neighbors. Many of those neighbors don't even recognize Israels right to exist. By demanding that Israel revert to its 67 borders, President obama is issuing a death sentence to the nation.
So Mr. President, examine closely the beginnings of most countries around the world and you will see they have had border changes over the ages. Many of these changes were brought about by war and conquest, a nations quest for survival. Take a look at your own county and how it expanded. Judge not, therefore ye be judged.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.jnewnam | May 30, 2011, 01:00 AM EDT
George Dillon-Some would say that 'turnabout is fair play'. I seem to remember the constant bashing of President Bush by all the lame stream media. And interestingly enough, President Bush did not shrink from it and in fact pointed to the Constitution and free speech when he was repeatedly asked about it. And yet Obama unable to take the criticism, tried and continues through Media Matters and George Soros to try and close down Fox and any newspaper (remember 3 weeks ago that Boston newspaper that actually is liberal) that doesn't report the news to his liking. He also through a Czar appointment wants to control speech through 'net neutrality'. Obama is so thin skinned, so unable to take it many refer to him as the Baby Obama. Unfortunately for us all undisciplined immature babies usually reek havoc on the adults around them.
maloney | May 29, 2011, 08:04 PM EDT
Ed..the liberals know you have nothing to do with the posts on IC. Just like everything else they do, they use this to tell more lies on another conservative. It's all they have, the truth cuts their throats every time. Don't waist your time explaining anything to them.
seanomelbourne | May 28, 2011, 11:53 PM EDT
Ed if you say so fair enough.
hancock | May 28, 2011, 10:45 AM EDT
Ed , he's Australian.
EdinCali | May 27, 2011, 12:32 PM EDT
I assure you Seanmelbourne and GeorgeDillon, I have no control over the postings on this blog and have no problem whatsoever with opposing points of view being expressed. Go ahead enlighten me....Ed
seanomelbourne | May 27, 2011, 02:11 AM EDT
George it regularly happens on Farnans site. Maybe he lacks the moral compass to accept alternate points of view.
GeorgeDillon | May 25, 2011, 09:46 PM EDT
The message posted at May 24, 2011, 08:25 PM EDT and commencing "Oh?..." was not written by me. The idiots in IrishCentral regularly do this, to me as to other posters.
GeorgeDillon | May 25, 2011, 09:31 AM EDT
It's quite disgusting to hear Hannity disrespect the elected leader of the United States and fawn over a foreign crook (Netanyahu is a known crook). Hannity's loyalty to a foreign country, in preference to his own, is treason. Hannity, you're just a loudmouth traitor. Go live in Israel, you goon.
GeorgeDillon | May 24, 2011, 08:25 PM EDT
Oh? Didn't hear it from Hannity heard it right out of the cnn tawking heads program. Seems Ed Schultz and rachel maddow didn't rate the speech, probably figured their kook fringe viewers wouldn't want to hear the truth.
seanomelbourne | May 24, 2011, 08:15 PM EDT
Hannity the liar.Who cares how many ovations he received. The U.S. is only one nation who would sell common decency for a buck.
Monsoonman | May 24, 2011, 07:59 PM EDT
Yes Israel be proud. Your Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to the United States Congress and was greeted with 29 standing ovations and bursts of applause and support throughout his speech. Even Harry Reid head of the Senate and obama stooge, pledged his unwavering support for Israel. A total repudiation of the community organizers attempt at bullying you by blindsiding you and demanding you move to 67 borders when you arrived in DC. Obama should be arrested for violating the anti-bullying laws he keeps telling everyone else they should abide by.
Irishphotograph | May 24, 2011, 04:28 PM EDT
Israel stop living for an eye for an eye and love your enemy as your Messiah teaches you..
Irishphotograph | May 24, 2011, 04:26 PM EDT
Proverbs 31:8-9 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves,for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy"
ceolas7 | May 24, 2011, 12:57 PM EDT
I see.. So, Spain, and it's Latin American conquest, and that includes Mexico, which created the trans-Atlantic slave trade and brought to Latin America more than 8 million African slaves, and worked virtually all of them to death, after committing genocide against the indigenous peoples of those lands, want to have a discussion? Is Spain and Mexiho claiming the US 'stole' the US southwest from them? That land, belonged to the indigenous peoples of the southwestern US. Spaniards, or as they like to refer to themselves as Hispanic, when not hiding behind the lie of "Latino", are not indigenous. They also enslaved indigenous people, including the Utes, Apache and Navajo, forced them to work in the mines, the fields and as other types of labor. They raped and brutalized their women and children, and if one sought to defend themselves or loved ones, or escape, they would be brutally punished, a heel or foot would be chopped off, or they would be shot.
Monsoonman | May 24, 2011, 10:16 AM EDT
In the meantime, while you focused on Obama sipping a beer and what his wife was wearing, a real statesman, decorated veteran of military action, a man who has accomplished much in his life, made a speech without the aid of a teleprompter...PM Benjamin Netanyahu
Monsoonman | May 24, 2011, 10:09 AM EDT
Sean Hannity gave the obamas trip to Ireland the time it deserved, 15 seconds. It was designed to get you dopes to vote for him in the next election because he is so "Irish". If he was so Irish & it meant so much to him to find his "roots" why didn't he go there long a go and spend more than a few hours there? Niall O'Dowd called it right, it was nothing but a political ploy.
WoundedKnee | May 24, 2011, 07:18 AM EDT
Another of those Irish-American Israel fanatics is Hannity. I heard him rant on his radio show for a good hour yesterday. Non-stop lies and Israel cheerleading. And then this great "Irish" talkshow host spent maybe 15 seconds on Obama's trip to Ireland. And Hannity's attempt at an Irish accent was the voice of an imbecile.
sirpeter | May 23, 2011, 02:57 PM EDT
I have no sympathy what so ever for Israel with it's horrible land grabbing murdering army.
seagreen | May 23, 2011, 10:06 AM EDT
RACHEL CORRIE.......
GeorgeDillon | May 23, 2011, 07:35 AM EDT
"Hancock actually has it right, this is IrishCentral not IsraeliCentral." Well Said. But it seems that some of our "Irish"-American columnists are more loyal to Israel than to Ireland. Case in point is that idiot O'Reilly on Fox. A couple of nights ago he had what he flagged as a "fair and balanced" discussion of Israel stopping its occupations. He had two gusts--Both of them American Zionists! No contrary view! That's the kind of stupid bigotry that Farnan peddles here.
sully1167 | May 23, 2011, 02:24 AM EDT
Hancock actually has it right, this is IrishCentral not IsraeliCentral.
seanomelbourne | May 22, 2011, 07:33 PM EDT
Now Mman you know what the say about people in glass houses.Like you white Americans white Australians did indeed treat our ancient brethren with injustice.And you try to take the high moral(stolen) ground. I am happy you do support the legitimacy of 242 and 338 after all your government and mine signed off on them.Btw we have returned thousands of miles of land and sea to the original owners but more work needs to be done.It does not change the fact that Israel is a rogue state two wrongs do not make a right.
sully1167 | May 22, 2011, 04:50 AM EDT
I agree with Farnan's pro-Isreal stance, but it's funny how he sarcastically states that "the white settlers main goal was to enslave native americans,african americans,and denying women the right to vote sums it up in a PC nutshell." It sounds like he wants to revert back to slavery and chauvinism.
Monsoonman | May 22, 2011, 01:20 AM EDT
Lad you and your country should lead the way and make right with the native peoples their stolen land, forced assimilation, removal of children, and anticipated extinction of their race through nefarious genocide. Then after you make it right with these people come and judge Israel. Ye who is without sin cast the first stone.
seanomelbourne | May 22, 2011, 12:34 AM EDT
Any land taken beyond the 1967 borders is illegal.Well may you condemn the U.N. remember your government voted for resolution 242 and 338 as did all countries (except Israel and the former apartheid South Africa) voted in favour(China failed to turn up to vote for res.338).There is only one rogue state in this scenario.
seanomelbourne | May 22, 2011, 12:26 AM EDT
The PLO recognise the 1967 borders therefore they agree to the existence of Israel.Israel continues to steal land from the Palestinians exacerbating the situation.I would reign missiles on anyone who tried to steal my home would you.The article we are discussing is about israel/Palestine let us not muddy the waters with gotcha style irrelevancies,silly comparisons and false arguments
maloney | May 21, 2011, 10:09 PM EDT
The problem is the liberals don't like anyone who can stand on their own two feet without bombing women and children or blowing themselves up in order to kill innocent people. Plain and simple, if your not a coward willing to kill, take or spend what does not belong to you, you're not legitimate or you're a bigot. georgie dildo doesn't want his money going to Israel but it's ok for it to go to mexicans or muslims or criminals. Idiot alert. I repeat, Idiot alert! The Prevailer has taken rooboys spot as head Idiot!! Monsoon, I just got back in country yesterday and as usual you've been doing a fine job of holding down the fort. The UN is as useless as the teets on a boar hog just like obama and rooland.
Monsoonman | May 21, 2011, 08:31 PM EDT
Cough cough ahem, Sean Lad: All along thousand of missiles and shells have rained down on Israel from its "peaceful" neighbors. The neighbors also don't recognize Israels right to exist. Every time israel gives back more land it gets more missiles and shells killing their citizens. I'll tell you who is a rogue state: The UN. They have syria and Iran on their "human rights" committee. Syria and iran who kill their own citizens with tanks and automatic weapons. So please don't try to sway anyone with some UN resolution it is worth less than the paper it is written on.
seanomelbourne | May 21, 2011, 08:13 PM EDT
Listen here precious read some facts. Resolutions 242 and 338 were adapted unanimously by the security council and that included the U.S of A. The resolutions establish the 1967 borders as the legitimate borders of the countries involved. The P.L.O. agreed in 1993 to abide by these resolutions. The only rogue state was Israel.Therefore the U.S. should invoke sanctions on Israel as a rogue state as it doe's against other rogue states.So now Angel do you not think you are a little precious or historically moribund. Mman will need broad shoulders to carry you my dear.
AngelPrecious | May 21, 2011, 07:30 PM EDT
Sean, one word to your comment...BULL! Monsoonman, it does seem that there are many anti-zionists on this thread!
seanomelbourne | May 21, 2011, 07:14 PM EDT
Israel is a rogue state that refuses to abide by U.N. resolutions.The U.S. usually slaps sanctions on rogue states,we seem to have a double standard here.
Monsoonman | May 21, 2011, 06:51 PM EDT
Well the anti zionists are out in force...sometimes I wonder where the hatred stems from? did a rabbi molest them when they were young? I just don't get it. Believe me there will be a un resolution demanding america get back to its 1733 borders, then what are you going to do? don't respect that un resolution because you don't agree with it? LOL!!!!
WoundedKnee | May 21, 2011, 06:09 PM EDT
Wouldn't it solve everything if they reverted just to the 1947 borders in the Middle East? There was no Israel there then, and the place was better off and at peace. If Colkelley and the other Israel stooges here love Israel so much, why don't we give them a bit of the USA? Say a corner of Nevada, for example. Empty desert. Colkelley, Farnan etc could club together and buy a few thousand square miles. It would suit the Israeli mythmakers perfectly, because they always claim that they settled an empty desert in Palestine. That's a big Goebbels-style lie, because they didn't of course, lots of old Palestinian men and women still treasure the keys to their homes, the homes the Israelt stormtroopers forced them to leave, never to return, if Americisraeli stooges like Farnan had their way.
GeorgeDillon | May 21, 2011, 05:27 PM EDT
colkelley: You're a bigot and a fool. Zionazis like you can peddle all the hate and bigotry you like, you can be murder-lovers on your own buck, but you have no right to divert my tax dollars to supporting murder and cruelty by your Zionazi friends in Israel. Pay to kill Palestinians with your own money, not with mine, you fascist creep. By the way, what "army" are you a colonel in? The Ku Klux Klan? You nazi garbage.
hancock | May 21, 2011, 02:52 PM EDT
I wish the Irish here cared as much about Derry and Belfast as they do about Israel and Palistine.
OldSarge | May 21, 2011, 02:48 PM EDT
Please forgive President Obama, he is an idiot!
pilib04 | May 21, 2011, 02:00 PM EDT
Why not compare apples and oranges. Reverting back to our 1900 borders would be more comparable. Giving up our stolen territories of Philippines, Cuba, Micronesia etc. Now that is comparable. Israel has no internationally recognized right to the West Bank, Gaza and West Jerusalem. This is not my opinion. This is international law and fact. Palestine and Israel have a right to defensible borders. Palestine and Israel have a right to be recognized. Israel does not have a higher "right." Ed Farnan has made an incredibly ignorant comparison. I think our President did not just the United States, but also Israel quite a favor when he "brought Bin Laden to justice" as he pledged in the last campaign. Get it straight, Israel took the land by force and it has never been recognized. Successive American Presidents (of both parties) have made that crystal clear.
MalcomAC | May 21, 2011, 01:35 PM EDT
Israel has flagrantly thumbed its nose at Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama. If Israel wants to tell us to 'stuff it', then they need to get their hands out of US taxpayers' pocket.
Prevailer | May 21, 2011, 01:15 PM EDT
Monsoonman on unthoughts of others who think he is vacant. Quoting this genius: " Yes then I am a bigot if it means intolerant of idiotic unthought through leftist dogma" IDIOT ALERT! I repeat IDIOT ALERT!
Ms.Gail | May 21, 2011, 01:03 PM EDT
If US went back 1848 borders, Texas would not go back to Mexico but to being an Independent Republic.
pndirishandprou | May 21, 2011, 12:30 PM EDT
What a stupid and ignorant comparison! America is not occupying the territory outside the 1733 borders, humiliating and discriminating against the people living there. Fact is that the right-wing government opposes a 2-state solution and is quite comfortable with treating Palestinians as 2nd class citizens. Their intent is to grab territory it believes it has a god-given, biblical right to occupy, at the expense of the security of America's armed forces overseas. In 1967, Israel very convincingly demonstrated that its pre-1967 borders are defensible. Otherwise it wouldn't control the land it does today. Obama is absolutely right to push Israel to make meaningful concessions for the creation of two separate states and finally make it clear to the Netanyahu and his right-extremist ilk that they have to stop biting the hand that feeds and protects them.
semperfidelis | May 21, 2011, 12:04 PM EDT
LOL, truly amazing that a U.S. president would even think, let alone, express such an preposterous idea, though not surprising from this bunch. Given the upcoming election, curious to see if white house will suggest that u.s go back to it's 1848 border with mexico, giving them back Texas, where 2012 won't go well for the incumbent. We are living in interesting times for sure.
Monsoonman | May 21, 2011, 11:55 AM EDT
Yes then I am a bigot if it means intolerant of idiotic unthought through leftist dogma. lol. Now run along and be secure that there are adults out here who will rescue you and your ilk from your misguided logic.
Prevailer | May 21, 2011, 11:43 AM EDT
Empty is YOU. It is word that is YOU. It is someone who is intractable or intolerable of hearing that are different to his/her own views. So, that would be you. It does not mean racist moonshine. Check Websters. Now go back to your scratching post.
mrkennedy | May 21, 2011, 11:38 AM EDT
If we revert to 1773 then Obama's Irish ancestor wouldn't have come here and the USA would not have a President Obama!!!
Monsoonman | May 21, 2011, 11:34 AM EDT
Bigot? The white flag of surrender when an empty argument is exposed. Use you race card. I see yours is getting dog eared from over use. Thats a biotch.
Prevailer | May 21, 2011, 11:23 AM EDT
Know You from FOX. Get a temper shot. And watch your language bigot.
Monsoonman | May 21, 2011, 11:14 AM EDT
Now we have substance,lefty substance,but it is in regard to the article. We saw PMNetanyahu take the little child obama to the woodshed yesterda when he exposed what a naive fool we have in the wh. The rubber is mtg the road now and it is apparent we have naive amateurs at the helm in dc and that reality is a painful embarrassing biotch.
Prevailer | May 21, 2011, 11:05 AM EDT
I use context to explain a problem. The author was overreaching with vitriol beyond the boundaries of this U.S. ally's position. It is complex. But every U.S. president since Clinton, Bush, have used the same 1967 position to start negotiations.
colkelley | May 21, 2011, 10:55 AM EDT
Rebelforce - so you will advocate that we return all of the territory we won in the Mexican-American War? You obviously know nothing about Middle East history or the 1967 Seven Day War which started when Egypt, Syria, and Jordan attacked Israel. They started the war, they lost, and the Israelis were even nice enough to return the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt. In your empty little head you think they should return the Golan Heights from which they were shelled every day from 1947-1967. Wow! I'm sure EVERYONE will want you as a negotiatior.
Monsoonman | May 21, 2011, 10:53 AM EDT
Prattle is just intellectual white noise.
colkelley | May 21, 2011, 10:51 AM EDT
Georgedillion - nice word-for-word recitation of common anti-Semitic propaganda. Interesting how you so easily forget Palestinian mortar fire and rockets aimed specifically at civilians, bombing of civilians, and the "Palestinian freedom fighters" unwillingness to directly engage the Israeli military. Do us all a favor and take your Sturmgewehr costume and your little mustache elsewhere.
Prevailer | May 21, 2011, 10:44 AM EDT
It was good to rattle your brain Moonshine?!
Monsoonman | May 21, 2011, 10:12 AM EDT
The real question: Is there a knife in your drawer? Nothing said about the article just a mindless rant about what?
Prevailer | May 21, 2011, 09:58 AM EDT
The experts, the quizzlers, the right wingers. Here they go. Question: Was George Washington the 1st American president? Do you have a point of view that is not skewed with poison? Do you have a certifcate proving that you are not the sharpest knife in the political drawer? Didn't think so?!
maloney | May 20, 2011, 09:39 PM EDT
In 67 the muslims found out what you get when you screw around with Israel. Looks like they will soon get another lesson. It's a shame and disgrace that obama is a muslim supporter.
bullocks | May 20, 2011, 06:35 PM EDT
19 February 2011 The US has vetoed an Arab resolution at the UN Security Council condemning Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories as an obstacle to peace.The resolution, sponsored by at least 130 countries, declared Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories were illegal and a "major obstacle to the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace".Nearly half a million Jews live in more than 100 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. They are held to be illegal under international law.While stating that it opposed new settlements, the Obama administration argued that taking the issue to the UN would only complicate efforts to resume stalled negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians on a two-state peace deal.
GeorgeDillon | May 20, 2011, 04:50 PM EDT
Issrael has killed far more Arab demonstrators than Syria, Tunisia and the whole lot of them put together. Just a few days ago another 15 unarmed demonstrators slain by the Israeli murder gangs. But Israel is the darling of the EU warmongers, and of the US Zionist lobby. So Israel gets bombed with dollars and euros, while Libya gets bombed with murderous explosives.