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| People look at a new statue of Pope John Paul II and former President Ronald Reagan in Gdansk, Poland. (Credit: Czarek Sokolowski) |
Several months ago, Lech Walesa, hero and leader of Poland's freedom movement, unveiled a statue in downtown Warsaw honoring President Ronald Reagan. Reagan an American with Irish roots, was inspirational in his efforts to topple the Soviet Empire that had Poland and eastern europe in its death grip.
Recently, in an ironic twist, there was a push in Galway Ireland to erect a statue for another famous figure with Irish roots, communist and assassin, Che Guevara. Guevara was known as Fidel Castro's executioner who helped install the communist dictator in power back in the late 50's. Cuba has been under the boot of communist tyranny ever since.
While many people walk around with "Che" T shirts on, thinking it gives them an edgy, revolutionary, romantic look.....The reality is, Che Guevara tried to spread communism throughout Latin America and was responsible for many brutal murders.
Two historic figures with huge contrasts in philosophy, politics and tactics.
If any people know what it is like to live under the boot of communism, it is the people of Poland and their courageous, charismatic hero, Lech Walesa.
In the early 1980's, as the leader of Poland's ship builders union, Walesa was imprisoned, fined and abused by the communist regime for having the temerity to stand up to them and demand freedom. He stood eye to eye with those tyrants and forced them to blink. When they blinked, it signaled the beginning of the end of the Soviet Empire and this lead to the collapse of communist backed regimes around the world. During this time President Reagan made it known that America stood with the Polish people and Lech Walesa....The Polish people will never forget this.
Nobel Prize winning Lech Walesa made a bold but controversial statement yesterday.
By clearing his busy schedule to welcome Mitt Romney when the Presidential candidate visits Poland this week, Walesa sent a political message. His decision to meet and greet Romney stands in clear contrast to his refusal to meet president Obama when he visited Poland last year. Walesa said at that time, he was “too busy” to meet with President Obama.....that he had “a very tight schedule and it doesn’t suit me.”
Mr. Walesa was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for real accomplishments that lead his country out of tyranny. He went on to become the President of his free country and is well known for his courage. If anyone knows the corruption, brutality and suffocation of what it is like to live under communism, Lech Walesa and his countrymen do. So when they honor President Reagan, it comes from a deep appreciation of his greatness.
President Reagan, used his Irish gift to hold up a torch of hope for all of those around the world who yearned for freedom and prosperity. Che Guevara, another man with Irish roots, held a revolver to the heads of the innocent people he assassinated.
One man deserves monuments, honor and accolades. The other man deserves ignominy and scorn.
One man deserves statues, the other one deserves to be in a wax museum.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.travelmpq | Aug 29, 2012, 09:25 AM EDT
I love Galway, but if they put up a monument to Guevarra, Galway's off my next Irish itinerary.
whiteycat | Aug 28, 2012, 12:36 PM EDT
Why would any free country or state put up a statue of Che? He was a ruthless murderer. Wear his t shirt how stupid.
BigDaddy | Jul 30, 2012, 09:52 AM EDT
WoundedKnee, Being of Irish heritage, I can empathize with those who were under the boot heel of people who are often thick. However, I am a former soldier myself so I tend to understand their plight more than some. But thanks for the heads up on PR. I could sense all his oars weren't in the water, though.
BigDaddy | Jul 30, 2012, 09:38 AM EDT
paddy, Arguing with you is like arguing with a special needs child. However, former leader of the free world is cerdited with a great many things he claims he doesn't remember. Under oath he stated that "it was like I wasn't even president" when asked about Iran-Contra.So what is it? He was a B actor at his best and his election, and subsequent canonization by the right wing, says more about the intelligence of the average American than anyone cares to admit. What's your excuse?
Monsoonman | Jul 29, 2012, 08:40 PM EDT
LOL Lad!
seanomelb | Jul 29, 2012, 07:05 PM EDT
Gee woundedknee I find your post intellectually un-stimulating.
WoundedKnee | Jul 29, 2012, 08:32 AM EDT
BigDaddy--that popster Paddy has admitted to being a former member of the British Army. This may explain his strange outbursts, he has post-traumatic stress from the time he was kicking women around the Falls Road in Belfast.
seanomelb | Jul 28, 2012, 06:09 PM EDT
I wonder if Nancy still consults the stars on American foreign policy now that the head bopper is sead.
paddyRanger | Jul 28, 2012, 09:38 AM EDT
Bigdaddy, the fact that you would attack someone for having Alzheimers says more about your lowlife character than anything, and I can ADD in comparisons to Obama when you use examples against Reagan that Obama is more guilty of without having an illness. Understand now, I realize you are a little slow but maybe take your time reading and you might get it…….
Towngate | Jul 28, 2012, 05:46 AM EDT
ED, sorry, run that by me again .... Whose side are you on? You TOOL!
BigDaddy | Jul 27, 2012, 01:24 PM EDT
paddy, do you a learning disability that I am unaware of? You are like a petulant child with ADHD. "I know what the subject is but I can't refute what you are saying so I will change the subject to something else. Yeah, that's what I'll do". Making excuses for old men with Alzheimers is a tacit acknowledgment that you are a puppet of the corporatocracy that runs America and even if they present an addled brained old man as a hero, you will follow in lockstep because, well, because Obama has stinky feet and he curses. What a boob...
paddyRanger | Jul 27, 2012, 10:21 AM EDT
BigDaddy......And I am including Obama in this converstation as he is FAKE to and has no excuse of being old...let's hope you don't get Alzheimers when you get old, actually sounds like you have it already as well
BigDaddy | Jul 26, 2012, 08:55 PM EDT
paddyranger, No, I was talking about Reagan. The subject is Reagan not Obama. The topic of the article is Reagan. How difficult it must be to adore someone and have the reality of his actions thrown in your face. Your hero was a bum, a Alzheimers addled old man who had someone step up to the podium after he spoke and say,"What the president MEANT to say..." and that never alerted you to the fact that the old man was ill? His presidency was as fake as his red hair.
BigDaddy | Jul 26, 2012, 08:44 PM EDT
Colleen, I give you historical facts and in return you ask if I live in Rosewll? That's your answer to facts? Doesn't it bother you in the least to look so stupid in public?
seanomelb | Jul 26, 2012, 08:43 PM EDT
Poor WoundedKnee cannot take the flak. Man up wimp.
paddyRanger | Jul 26, 2012, 05:36 PM EDT
woundedknee "I have reported your last post as Personal Attack. What is striking is that you no longer even pretend to advance arguments to refute the points I make. Intellectually Bankrupt, but then again you never had much Intellectual Capital. I really don't know why you post here--you have nothing to offer." POT KETTLE BLACK.......neither do you sunshine...still waiting for your excuse about why Polish did not leave in their thousands when the Iron curtain was still up and concentration camps running...you are intellectually bankrupt yourself, someone should report you to...
sirpeter | Jul 26, 2012, 05:08 PM EDT
Georgie Boy.You're a fu*kin idiot of the highest degree.That's a personal attack all for you Georgie.I don't refute your points anymore either.You have stated that all immigrants are vermin.Remember that?You let your true racist feelings be known.Your anti-immigrant arguments are unreasonable and only warrants personal attacks.You know me Georgie Boy I'm all for personal attacks when it comes to you.
WoundedKnee | Jul 26, 2012, 12:58 PM EDT
seanomel: I have reported your last post as Personal Attack. What is striking is that you no longer even pretend to advance arguments to refute the points I make. Intellectually Bankrupt, but then again you never had much Intellectual Capital. I really don't know why you post here--you have nothing to offer.
hermitTalker | Jul 26, 2012, 12:05 PM EDT
I think the Irish "gra"/love for Che is because of his roots here, they are not great fans of RWR because of his shenanigans in Central America. The Irish are much more tuned in to those topics than USA citizens, which was also why they disliked GWB and his Iraq war. They are still blinded by BHO
seanomelb | Jul 26, 2012, 03:24 AM EDT
Colleen with her silly wisdoms.Acorn is gone doe's not exist
ColleenMcVeety | Jul 25, 2012, 10:20 PM EDT
Big Daddy..... Liberals must be pretty desperate to now start manufacturing lies about Ronald Reagan...conspiracies as well. Let me see...do you live in Roswell NM? What garbage. Feel free to work for Acorn during the upcoming election...keep Reagan out of it.
seanomelb | Jul 25, 2012, 07:50 PM EDT
Poor old woundedknee he is so confused.
paddyRanger | Jul 25, 2012, 05:47 PM EDT
Well Said Dingle and Monsoonman.........both schooling and showing up the cretin woundedknee....as usual he has no clue...
dingle999 | Jul 25, 2012, 05:40 PM EDT
So the Irish Times are now liars... go and google Polish Population in Ireland.. let me by your figures.. 122,585 Poles in Southern Ireland and 600,000 Poles in Northern Ireland ?? If they are collecting the dole they are documented... "a stable and homogenous society" PS How do you know that if you are talking about Northern Ireland you are of course dead wrong BTW the Asians who have emigrated to Georgia USA in the last decade - have they caused any problems?
WoundedKnee | Jul 25, 2012, 04:55 PM EDT
dingle: Ireland is 32 Counties, maybe down in Kerry you're unaware of that. There are many tens of thousands of Poles in the North of Ireland, as another article here reminds us. The fact is that no one knows how many Poles have settled in Ireland, or how many have subsequently left, or how many have left and continue to fly in once a month to collect welfare benefits. The Polish Embassy gives a figure of several hundred thousand, and surely they're not liars. Whatever the figure, it represents an utterly unwelcome injection of people from a different language and culture into what was a stable and homogenous society. And all done because of the greed of the Irish capitalists.
dingle999 | Jul 25, 2012, 03:32 PM EDT
As usual WoundedBrain is a liar ... Polish nationals (122,585) (Irish Times March 2012)
Monsoonman | Jul 25, 2012, 03:29 PM EDT
Wounded knee, perhaps one day you will be able to decipher the difference between lawfully emigrating from a free country and escaping through shark infested waters from a totalitarian, brutal marxist peoples paradise
WoundedKnee | Jul 25, 2012, 03:18 PM EDT
"the citizens flee thru their iron curtain every chance they get." That's utter nonsense, monsoonman. The citizens of Poland have for years been fleeing their country by the millions--several hundred thousand have settled as colonists in Ireland alone. So Poland is a "peoples paradise"? Re
Monsoonman | Jul 25, 2012, 01:01 PM EDT
The proof of who che is and what he helped create, is plain to see in the peoples paradise of Cuba. Typical brutal marxist run state, where the citizens flee thru their iron curtain every chance they get.
dingle999 | Jul 25, 2012, 12:00 PM EDT
So WoundedBrain you did not like 'The Polish Pope' ? What about the present 'German Pope' ?
WoundedKnee | Jul 25, 2012, 10:02 AM EDT
"the Pope turned a blind eye to what Ronnie was doing in El Salvador". That was a Polish pope, dope.
dingle999 | Jul 25, 2012, 09:11 AM EDT
Guys you do what what cause the collapse of Communism ? It was economics... Kind of funny how the Pope turned a blind eye to what Ronnie was doing in El Salvador
IrelandNorth | Jul 25, 2012, 06:37 AM EDT
If Lech Walensa were a US citizen, he wouldn't have been allowed organise Solidarnosch/Solidarity trade union in any US ship yard - the old Soviet Union being as antipathetic to trade unionism as any US administration. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR/CCCP) was not textbook communism but rather state capitalism (like contemporary People's Republic of China) - largely due to the Judas of the Bolshevik Revolution, 1917 - Uncle Josef Stalin, an ex-Jesuit seminarian. If true communism didn't persist in Russia, it hardly could have collapsed. Rather, the collapse of state capitalism paved the way for the free reign of a Russian mafia, uncontrolled oligarchs, and collapse of welfare state - while Castro-Guevara's Ciban revolution deposed corrupt US-backed Battista regime and expelled an Italian mafia from Havana. Lech Walensa is a devout Roman Catholic, despite it's seemingly incurable institutionalised clerical child sexual abuse wich he must conside less evil than 'communism' (sic). How would Americans feel if a Russian oligarch offered to buy the embalmed body of George Washington as an American circus owner wanted to buy Lenin's remains for his show? Ed Farnan's article is written through rose-tinted [retro]spectacles and is factually inaccurate. And surely a reputable Florida senator would prefer a statue of Ernesto 'Che' Guevara-Ó Loinsigh in Galway, rather than Mafiosi pimps and prostitutes back in Havana.
mlchellus | Jul 25, 2012, 05:45 AM EDT
An unexpected article on Che. Bravo. Che was not a Robin Hood. What insanity that Ireland would consider a statue!
paddyRanger | Jul 25, 2012, 01:58 AM EDT
Woundedknee........I don't have to claim anything or justify anything to a cowardly wee gobshite like you........and as I have already schooled you once today...in the FACT which you can't respond to, there was no mass immigration out of Poland when the commies ran it...because the Iron curtain was up and you would be killed trying to escape MORONS like you are too stupid and ignorant to understand that fact
dingle999 | Jul 25, 2012, 01:46 AM EDT
WoundedBrain Ronnie Reagan and Maggie Thatcher were the best of friends...
jamthecat | Jul 24, 2012, 11:57 PM EDT
Y'know, Ed...one of these days you're going to grow up, pay attention to the realities of the world, and be shocked at what you see. At least, I hope you do. But judging from the silliness of this column, I don't expect it anytime soon.
Scrivner | Jul 24, 2012, 11:37 PM EDT
A refreshing article, unexpected on IC, but sure welcome.
Monsoonman | Jul 24, 2012, 10:36 PM EDT
Well said I and P How soon people forget what tyranny the left forced on free people around the world, when they got the opportunity. Their utopian dreams, turned into a sort of slavery for most
IrishAndProud | Jul 24, 2012, 09:33 PM EDT
Thank goodness for a great Irishman like Ronald Reagan -- who, along with John Paul and others -- not only stood firm against the communist menace but actually rolled it back...including in Nicaragua, where Marxists betrayed the anti-Somoza revolution and had initiated a Soviet build-up. They fell in the next democratic election -- which Reagan's pressure forced...and they've never been back in the same form, since. The Sandinista's of today are kitty-kats, with no Soviet Russia backing them up, and certainly no 100,000 strong army through forced recruiting prowling the countryside, invading its northern neighbor (like they did before) and torturing and abusing any opposition. The 80's were a wonderful time, of communist governments falling the world over...and they've never been back! Sometimes it takes an Irishman to change the world.
Ratslayer | Jul 24, 2012, 07:32 PM EDT
IRAN-CONTRA. Bonzo did business with America's No. 1 enemy. F-ing traitor. Go ahead and fawn over the faild father and husband from the left coast.
seanomelb | Jul 24, 2012, 07:00 PM EDT
You'll nor find a statue of Reagan in Nicaragua where he is responsible for the murder of men women and children. The pri#k armed terrorist to overthrow the elected government.
AlunPalmer | Jul 24, 2012, 05:23 PM EDT
Many people from the old Soviet bloc are right wing on a knee jerk reaction basis. I admire Lech Walesa, but I don't take his stance on free world politics seriously. At some point, being anti-communist is meaningless after the communists have gone, and being anti the US Democrat party is silly, as they are centrists. I also support the statue of Dr Ernesto Guevara Lynch, who also fought against dictators. Authoritarian rule is the enemy, whether from the left or the right.
Stiofain | Jul 24, 2012, 03:19 PM EDT
Does anybody remember Reagan selling guns to the NIRUC illegally?
WoundedKnee | Jul 24, 2012, 03:03 PM EDT
paddyranger: Are you the creep who claimed to be an ex-member of the British Army? If so I won't dignify you by replying to your filth, you moron.
ktrush512 | Jul 24, 2012, 01:03 PM EDT
This is a rare moment of moral clarity from a website more often given to apologizing for Socialism than advancing liberty. Well said.
paddyRanger | Jul 24, 2012, 12:48 PM EDT
Bigdaddy "He lied under oath and now he is worshiped by ignorant people who think that he is saintly...........You must be talking about OBAMA......ignorant people who think he is saintly......can only be Obama supporters
paddyRanger | Jul 24, 2012, 12:46 PM EDT
Woundedknee "Don't remember any Mass Immigration from Poland when the communists ran the place!............That's because the IRON curtain was still up, moron......and concentration camps still the fashion in communist run Poland..
IrishRyan | Jul 24, 2012, 12:43 PM EDT
Why not have a statue of President John F Kennedy? i respect both President Reagan and Che Guevara.
Monsoonman | Jul 24, 2012, 12:14 PM EDT
What do you "fruits of 0bama" think of the fact, one of the bravest men in history, Lech Walesa was too "busy" to meet 0bama when he visited Poland...Yet clears his schedule to meet with Mitt Romney?
Monsoonman | Jul 24, 2012, 12:05 PM EDT
"You will know him by the fruit he bears": I see the 0bama fruits are hanging around today...The America haters, the commies, the barnacles
Tooreenagrena | Jul 24, 2012, 12:03 PM EDT
What simplistic Neocon nonsense. Like Reagan wasn't responsible for thosands of murders. Ever heard of the Contras. What did the US give Cuba - the Mafia.
BigDaddy | Jul 24, 2012, 11:54 AM EDT
monsoon...I've always wondered what Dinesh D'Souza did in his spare time. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Monsoonman | Jul 24, 2012, 11:50 AM EDT
Selling guns to the jihadists so they could kill ea other instead of other people was genius...Then making a profit off of those transactions to defeat the communists in Nicaragua was the cherry on top.
BigDaddy | Jul 24, 2012, 11:50 AM EDT
when they honor President Reagan, it comes from a deep appreciation of his greatness. Ed, like when he called the Contras the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers? Those were good times, ay?
BigDaddy | Jul 24, 2012, 11:46 AM EDT
Hi Colleen! I can do better than that. First Ronald Reagan was a criminal. That is not jealousy but the result of studying PoliSci at the university and attending meetings of people who were in Central America during the 80's. Reagan mined the harbors of Nicaragua, supported terrorists who indiscriminately placed landmines in roads traveled by women and children at the same time he condemned the IRA for ambushing British soldiers, he created organizations within the US government to propagandize the citizenry not to mention all his other Iran/Contra crimes. He lied under oath and now he is worshiped by ignorant people who think that he is saintly. He spied on his friends for the FBI, Colleen. How heroic is that? He turned rat for a pudgy man who acted tough in public but dressed in a tutu in private. We could go on like this all day but I'd like to give you the opportunity to respond. Stay safe.
lokionline | Jul 24, 2012, 11:28 AM EDT
Reagan illegally traded weapons to the Revolutionary Guard and the mullahs in Iran to fund Contra death squads in Nicaragua. That was a pretty bad act.
Che was no angel regardless of his motorcycle exploits. Both fought in their own way for what they believed was a better world. There were two sides to both these men. but this revisionist history making around Reagan does nobody credit.
ColleenMcVeety | Jul 24, 2012, 10:28 AM EDT
Excellent article, quite refreshing for a change...the facts can actually be backed up by history. For the BONEHEADS that have made comments. 1. Is that the only negative thing you can write about Reagan...that he got a divorce? You are going to have to do better than that..give me a break. 2.Che not a mass murderer??? Are you out of your mind? Write to all the family members of the innocent that he killed without mercy. You are a LOON...or a communist..wise up. You apparently are not a student of history. 3. I was just in Poland and they are doing quite well...JEALOUS???? Perhaps the RIGHT WAY..IS THE RIGHT WAY. Stop the envy and follow their path! Reagan is not only a great man to those who lean right here...he was a great man to many who lean left. Get educated. ED...thank you for writing one of best blogs on here..you really did your research.
TheOldPerfessor | Jul 24, 2012, 10:04 AM EDT
If your people ever get the absolute power that you so crave, I expect you to name the Moon after Reagan. Not to burst your bubble but he was the only divorced president in US history. His views on deregulation led to the stock market crash of 1987 (only to be outdone by Bush for the same reason). He was the only president to grant amnesty to millions of illegal workers, while claiming that this would solve the problem for all time. He was half right.
BulldogMania | Jul 24, 2012, 09:44 AM EDT
The ONLY place I've ever read that Reagan and JPII had huge contrasts in philosophy, etc. No legitimate scholar has ever said this. Once again this liberal rag entertains us with nonsense.
WoundedKnee | Jul 24, 2012, 08:10 AM EDT
It doesn't surprise me that the Poles are trying to kiss-up to the American neocons. The Poles are so right-wing that even their labor unions are pro-employer. If the Poles thought capitalism was going to be so great, how come Poland is spewing migrants all over Europe? Don't remember any Mass Immigration from Poland when the communists ran the place!
TruthLa | Jul 23, 2012, 11:25 PM EDT
Get your facts straight. Che Guevara was not Castor' executioner. He was a commander who prided over the executions of Basta's torturers. He was a hero to Latin Americans and a man of great honor who forbade the torture of captured troops. Read Jon Lee Anderson's bio of Che. Do not just regurgitate American propaganda.