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Patience running thin for Church in Ireland

Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2010 at 10:33 AM

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Towngate | Oct 18, 2010, 09:05 AM EDT

If anyone: Man Woman or Child - does not like the RCC the way they found it - why can't they simply go and Found one to their own liking. Simples!

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LITTLEGOAT | Oct 12, 2010, 05:51 PM EDT

i personally do not care if a priest is man or a woman but i think too much time is wasted arguing about it rather than ser ving god and his people. i do not believe that that is arragance on my part at all only a fact and observation. i spent 12 years doing lay misasionary work so i see first hand the great needs of the poor and see also a lot of time put into getting assertive rights rather than caring if the poor have food

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LITTLEGOAT | Oct 12, 2010, 05:48 PM EDT

for 2bor not 2 bor i was speaking of the ones making a huge deal out of women being priests. that is the only ones i was speaking of they spend sooo much time trying to get what they want they often do not consider spending time serving god.

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2BorNot2B | Oct 06, 2010, 01:15 PM EDT

--- There's an inescapable logic to the CC that cannot exist in any of its 'derivates' in the prot world, and that many ignore or attempt to diminish at their own peril. -- If in fact Christianity is based on the bible, and it was the CC which preserved, discerned and canonized it, then how in heaven's name can anyone reject or attempt to obscure the fact that without the CC Christianity not would exist as a religion? -- It might in fact exist, but only as a multitude of sects, congregations and assemblies of people led by those who would be passing on to their faithful oral stories well adorned by folk tales and personal interpretations with the passing of two thousand years ago. -- Really, something akin to what now exists in protestantism, though their traditions and tales are tempered given that they can count on the bible the CC gave them to keep the story somewhat straight and honest. cont'd...

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2BorNot2B | Oct 06, 2010, 01:11 PM EDT

@@JamieLM -- Thanks for the backhanded compliment. I confess, I'm guilty as charged! I don't think I'll ever be one to roll over and play dead while a bunch of sore, uninformed and hateful people sling mud in the direction of an institution which may have horrible sinners in its midst, yet in its very essence remains unequivocably holy and perfect, simply by virtue of the fact that the One who founded it who is Holy and Perfect! -- You who are fond of offering aid and comfort to those who pile on the insults on this Church might do well to remember that 'impeccability' was not among the promises Jesus made to His Church. In fact He prophesied: "There will always be SCANDALS in your midst.." and, "If they hated me, they will hate you even more.." --- He did, however, promise her 'perpetuity,' and that should give you and those who pile it on because of the sins of a few, a long pause for thought; because to brand the Church as a fallen and corrupt institution is to dismiss Jesus as a deluded liar, which in turn makes THE WHOLE of Christianity untenable. --- cont'd...

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2BorNot2B | Oct 05, 2010, 05:10 PM EDT

LITTLEGOAT - Do you pretend to know what's in the heart of people? That's rather arrogant on your part. Try googling 'Catholic Charities' which runs an enormous network of charitable agencies that feed the poor, resettle refugees giving them homes and furniture, and go to the aid of those who suffer natural catastrophes to the point of helping to rebuild thousands of houses; or try (among thousands of religious orders that run shelters, soup kitchens, orphanages, schools for children of indigents, leprosaries, hospices for AIDS patients, homes for the elderly etc.), Sisters of the Poor (founded by Mother Teresa), and Franciscan Friars of the Renewal located in South Bronx, NY. I assure you, you'll be surprised to find that the CC from times immemorial has run places that not only live to praise Yaweh, but to help the littlest among God's children as well, serving them with dignity and never asking for payment.

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LITTLEGOAT | Oct 05, 2010, 11:58 AM EDT

men or women priests how many of these people are thinking of praising yaweh or helping get rid of poverty or how to protect kids on the street from sex trafficking? seems they all have the " me wants" not the god wants.

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jamieLM | Oct 05, 2010, 10:16 AM EDT

2BorNot2B: You're a knowledgeable, devout, and a rigorous defender and supporter of the RCC whether Catholics agree or disagree with your viewpoints. I find your faithfulness admirable. You're not an expert on Protestant doctrinal issues, though. You have a natural bias and can hardly be objective. If one wants to know more about the Catholic faith, they should consult CATHOLIC resources, not ask Protestants. If one wants to understand Protestant faiths, they should consult Protestant resources and not ask Catholics to define them. 2B, you're at your best when you blog about the RCC and omit the negative comments about Protestants.

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2BorNot2B | Oct 04, 2010, 07:47 PM EDT

Sez adrienrain: >>the inferiority of women is woven into the fabric of the middle eastern religion, Judaism, from which Christianity and Islam both evolved..<< Again, your biblical ignorance is patent. The Catholic Church alone among world religions, through reverence to Mary the mother of God, has elevated the dignity of women to the highest reaches of heaven. There isn't a single CC where you do not find a picture or statue of 'the woman clothed with the sun' or of thousands of saintly women whose life, deeds and heroic virtues are celebrated. -- This goes back even to stories of the OT where we see Salomon the king revering his own mother; of heroic women like Judith, Rachel, the mother of the Macabees, etc. something you would never find in islam. -- The NT as well is full of stories where women are treated with deference. It was the women after all who 'ministered' to the needs of Jesus and His apostles. There are stories about Mary and Martha of Magdala, Mary of Clopas, of the wife of Chuza who was Herod's steward. There are also stories of rich Roman women in whose houses the first Christians used to gather to worship and break bread. -- The early Church had St Helena, the mother of Constantine, the Middle Ages had Catherine of Sienna who is a 'Doctor of the Church,' Claire of Asissi; the 'reformation' had a giant thinker and mystic: Teresa of Avila another 'Doctor of the Church; the 19th C had Therese de Lisieux, again a Doctor of the Church, in between of those mentioned are thousands of saintly women, mothers, nuns, widows, housewives, physicians, etc. you name it they are all well known to Catholics. -- So all in all your rant is nothing more than uninformed and blind bias. -- Rather than shrivelling, I'd suggest you look at the statistics of growth in the Church. -- If you had stopped to see the Pope's visit to Britain you could have had visual proof. -- Must be quite frustrating to find your wishful thinking and that of others like you denied.

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ellenfromcork | Oct 04, 2010, 07:39 PM EDT

There's only one solution for all our problems-- throw out the church and the out the government and go back to the Celtic church and Brehon law.

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2BorNot2B | Oct 04, 2010, 07:05 PM EDT

@adreinrain: >>OK, the Church allowed priests to marry for many centuries. Then it decided to impose celibacy. << True, because there were problems with 'simony.' The point is that no matter what, it's a "damn if you do - damn if you don't" situation for the Church. People are unhappy if she corrects abuses, and worse yet if she does not. >>So which position was the infallible and unassailable Truth?<< Your question is perfect evidence that you talk from a point of view of absolute IGNORANCE. -- The issue of celibacy has NOTHING TO DO with infallibility. Celibacy is a DISCIPLINE imposed by the Church, hence it would be apt to change if the Church so discerned. But don't hold your breath since the majority of Catholics (not that it matters) are happy with things as they are. >>My second question is this, why is celibacy any more virtuous than constipation?<< In reply to the first part there's plenty of biblical support for celibacy, if you had any knowledge of the bible you'd have no problem finding it -or I could provide the references- As for constipation, that's something I'm sure you can tell us all about, since you sound quite plugged.

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2BorNot2B | Oct 04, 2010, 06:37 PM EDT

tilliewillow -- Unfortunately for you the prospects of the Church crashing and burning are dim. The Founder promised her perpetuity: "I will be with you until the end of times.." - If Jesus lied or was confused, then the whole edifice comes crashing down and Christianity itself is a hoax. --- Alas, it is very real; Christians have the evidence of over 5000 thousand years of first, a promise (OT), and then the realization of that promise (NT). -- No matter how hard prots, secularists and CINOs wish the Church away it will be here 'even to the end of time,' better get used to the idea because you have no choice other than to reject to be a part of it.

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2BorNot2B | Oct 04, 2010, 06:14 PM EDT

In answer to your question, James Murphy, what sort of problem are you having with my education that you might demand my credentials? Is a certificate valid only if it hails from Trinity College, Oxford or Cambridge?

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adrienrain | Oct 04, 2010, 05:44 PM EDT

On the other hand, the church is right in its position on women, because the inferiority of women is woven into the fabric of the middle eastern religion, Judaism, from which Christianity and Islam both evolved.. There is nothing in the bible, nothing in Catholic doctrine, nothing in church history, that is liberating or even fair to women. When women understand that, and compare it to reality in a world in which women are finding the freedom to excel and be free, the church will shrivel even more.

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adrienrain | Oct 04, 2010, 05:39 PM EDT

OK, the Church allowed priests to marry for many centuries. Then it decided to impose celibacy. So which position was the infallible and unassailable Truth? My second question is this, why is celibacy any more virtuous than constipation?

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