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Irish denied social welfare because of red-tape bureaucracy

Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2010 at 08:40 AM

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Over 3,000 returning Irish emigrants are being refused social welfare payments (known as 'the dole' in Ireland) because of erratically enforced 'habitual residency' requirements stipulating that you have to be resident in the Republic for two years before you can make a claim for payments.

According to media reports, this is causing great hardship.

Joe O'Brien, the policy officer with Crosscare, an Irish NGO working with Irish migrants, says that the welfare officers themselves often apply the laws incorrectly, and may be causing even more hardship than is necessary.

The habitual residency requirement was necessitated by Ireland's membership of the European Union (EU), and it's believed that the requirement is in place to deter foreign workers from claiming Irish government handouts without having any intention of being a long term resident in the country.

This is yet another example of Ireland's membership of the European Union causing complications domestically.

The Irish Government is between a rock and a hard place on this issue.

It can't really create an exemption from the residency requirement to Irish citizens, as this would probably be viewed as discriminatory under the European Union law which Ireland has incorporated into its Statute Book, yet the current situation is unnecessarily harsh on returning Irish emigrants who now find that despite being in need of government payouts to survive, they no longer qualify.

There are no easy solutions to this problem, but it's one which must be fixed. If not we risk compounding the Irish emigration problem with a reduced immigration one, worsening an already out-of-control net migration figure.

At a time when Ireland is undergoing a massive emigration problem it's now being faced with another problem: the returning of previous Wild Geese is now losing its luster somewhat because of these controversial welfare requirements which disincentive the Irish to return home. Not that all Irish emigrants need social welfare, of course, but it's a safety net that should be there for all citizens of a country, and in the current economic volatility, there's not much sense of assurance in knowing that if you come home you won't qualify if times get tough.

This requirement also fits uneasily with the hotly debated Certificates of Irish Heritage which the government hopes to hand out to reach out to emigrants who've left Ireland. If it's truly interested in reaching out to these people and luring them back home, then it should ensure that they have as easy a time as possible in qualifying for social welfare benefits once they get back home.

The requirement is also extremely harsh on Irish citizens who were forced out of lack of economic opportunity to emigrate from Ireland, and now find that because they had to do so, they can't even 'draw the dole' back home.

The Irish Government need to think up a solution to this problem fast, before more Irish emigrees decide to postpone their decision to return back to the old soil because they either current need, or may need soon, to rely on State welfare payments to get by.




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They are starving the irish so they have to leave, they are starving the irish when they come back. Chain me to the gates of the government building, I'm willing, are you ??
God help if they do come back. Our Social Welfare system is ridiculous. Our Public Service seem to think that people who look for this assistance are lower than the lowest. We seem to have a Public Service made up of highly paid inadequate people who seem to want to put the ordinary every day person going to these offices through hoops just to get €196.00 per week. Try getting one of our politicians to live on that for a week. They are now talking about cutting this allowance I think by something like 5/10% so I pity any young person or a person with a family trying to make ends meet. We seem to have a lot of fat cats at the top of pile and nobody in our Government seems to being doing anything about it because they have ripped off themselves for so long that they don't see anything wrong with it. I listen to a lot of the political debates and none of our Ministers ever give a straight answer on any of the issues they are asked about.
If they have the same attitude as you Geroge it would explain the hostile atmosphere. Racists are not generally received well.
they prefer to give the dole to the people from ethopia,romamia,etc.etc.than to their own people irish people as usual sucks up to other people instead of taking car of there own, make me sick
My recent social security statement indicated that I had to have contributed for something like 70 or 80 percent of the past 10 or 20 years to be eligible, but it doesn't specify which of those years. My pension will be based on a formula that references my 5 higest year of earnings whether they were the past 5 years or 20 years ago. A similar formula would protect society from welfare tourism and protect people who have contributed, but just not recently.
Execute the returnees.
And I can only presume that an American is entitled to nothing even if he has his Certificate of Irishness ?!?! I'm sure ILIR is on top of this though. It is to laugh.
It hard getting blood from a stone - a kibbutism approach with billions from an ever giving Kihuna friend is the only hope. Promise to make killing tools and allow rendition pass-thrus and .......
It seems simple enough, to me that a country has a right to treat it's own citizens different than non-citizens when it comes to financial support, even if they have been away for awhile, they have retained their Irish citizenship. It is illogical and unfair to treat returning Irish nationals this way.
OK...now that the "I FEEL so bad" crowd has commented. The law was written to prevent what is eating the US right now. New immigrants, legal or not, swarm to the welfare states and eat the economy. If you haven't paid in, you can't take out..pretty sensible economics, except to the left who want to take it out of other folk's hard earned income. Spain has similar laws, the US does not, or if it does there is no evidence and the morons on the courts would overturn the law anyway. However, not applying it properly is a matter of definition as to what it means and to whom it applies to, and training the civil servants. If returning emigrates have a history of paying in, then it probably should be modified to allow for returnees. Don't fall into the economic cesspool that the US finds itself in.
Some people didn't believe me a couple weeks back when I wrote about how hostile Ireland is to returning emigrants. As I mentioned then, several Irish people I knew in the US decided to go back to ireland during the boom years. All subsequently told me how disgusted they were by the attitude they encountered--Why Are You Coming Back Here, Go Away. All but one of these people stayed less than a year in Ireland before hightailing it back here. The unfortunate one was a Green Card Holder, who was rumbled at US Immigration in Dublin Airport and forced to turn in his Green Card. James Joyce rightly described Ireland as the sow that eats her own piglets.
If ever a more stupid inane Government Ever existed than the present Government of Ireland I never heard of it. They are incapable of legislating or framing a sensible Law to save their miserable lives, Other countries were also under the same threat of welfare tourism as Ireland and they didn't see fit to excommunicate their own citizens from their birthrights to placate foreigners, NGO'S, Asylum/Refugee support groups, etc. If the Irish constitution was written approved and passed into law by and for Irish people ...Not for Polish, Nigerians, Angolans or Latvian people as Cowen would have you believe,Then it should Serve Irish People, But if this constitution is superseded by EU regulations as ministers in this wretched Govt: would have you believe then how come they are still ruling, and if it is the case then it is time to change those regulations, or withdraw from the Gods cursed EU.
See what happens when you permit an open door (for EU citizens)immigration policy as Ireland's EU membership forced it to adopt. To prevent EU welfare tourism into Ireland, Ireland had to adopt a policy that hurts its own citizens who return home after a period abroad. These native Irish are now being punished by the 2 year residency requirement which Ireland adopted to prevent welfare tourism.
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