Even from Galway, Mitt Romney trounced Barack Obama in debate -- Irish shocked, but Romney won tough debates in Boston in 2002
By: Larry Donnelly | Published Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 7:17 AM | Updated Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 7:17 AM
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| President Obama and Mitt Romney |
Very early on Thursday morning, I sprinted to my office in the law school at the National University of Ireland,
Galway to watch the previous night’s US presidential debate on my computer.
Despite my intention to avoid hearing how the debate had gone before I watched it, it was among the first news items on Irish radio when my alarm clock went off. And the analysis was unanimous. President
Barack Obama had done poorly, while former
Massachusetts Governor
Mitt Romney had shone.
I was not surprised. Most Irish on the other hand were shocked. The feeling in Ireland was that Romney was a poor debater. I knew otherwise. I write as a Democrat and a supporter of
President Obama. I also write as a Massachusetts native and as someone who is well-acquainted with
Governor Romney. Far more instructive as to
Governor Romney’s abilities as a debater were the debates in the run-up to his election as governor of
Massachusetts in 2002. Running as a Republican in perhaps the most left-leaning state in the country, he managed to pull off an extraordinary win against the Democratic nominee, Shannon O’Brien, an Irish-American from a well-established western Massachusetts political family who had already been elected to statewide office.
I recall watching their last debate, in particular. As Shannon O’Brien self-destructed,
Mitt Romney remained “on message” and articulated a crystal clear vision of how he would work to reform
Massachusetts politics and government and to revitalize the local economy. Whatever
Massachusetts voters might have thought of him personally or of his party, they could not deny his competence because of how effectively he drove this attribute of his home with them in that final debate. He won the election by over 100,000 votes out of some two million cast.
But as something of a skeptic – both when it comes to the influence of debates on the outcomes of elections and on the typically partisan reactions of political commentators to the performance of the candidates – I still turned on my computer with an open mind. It wasn’t long, however, before I found myself concurring with the pundits I had heard on the radio.
Governor Romney was the clear winner.
More to the point, this was the worst performance of any kind I have ever seen President Obama give on any stage. In total contrast to each and every other occasion on which I have heard the president speak in public, he was halting and hesitating. Even worse, he seemed ill-prepared and appeared disinterested, other than at the outset, when he apologized to his wife, Michelle, for having to share their twentieth wedding anniversary with in excess of forty million viewers across the US and around the globe.
Read all the news on the Election 2012 here Governor Romney, on the other hand, was impressive from start to finish. He demonstrated an incredible grasp of detail, was unflinchingly self-assured, looked totally comfortable in his own skin and demonstrated an affability and a sense of humor, if not a likability, throughout the debate.
His stories about and seemingly genuine sympathy for the ordinary Americans he and his wife, Ann, have met on the campaign trail undoubtedly helped to vitiate his reputation as a ruthless businessman unconcerned with the plight of those Americans who are struggling. It was reminiscent of former President Ronald Reagan.
Governor Romney presented himself to the American people as a very capable businessman, who loves his family and his country and who is uniquely well-qualified to kick-start an economic recovery in the US.
It is unsurprising that Governor Romney’s inner circle and fellow Republicans were largely unreserved in expressing their glee in how the debate had gone afterward.
President Obama’s political strategists and prominent Democrats sought to portray things quite differently.
Their message was that the president had made a solid case for a second term; that
Governor Romney did not do anything to make the American people like him personally; and that the debate would not change the Electoral College math that still favors their candidate. Yet the realities of what happened in the debate and the poll numbers indicating that 67% of viewers regarded Governor Romney as the victor fly in the face of their assertions.
While it is also unsurprising that
President Obama’s surrogates and supporters would try to spin things favorably for their candidate, it is extremely surprising that the president and some of the best political operatives in the business would allow themselves to be wrong-footed by Governor Romney.
Before and after the debate, commentators have noted that
Governor Romney dominated many of the debates during the Republican primary campaign. Indeed, President Obama’s own campaign manager, Jim Messina, termed
Governor Romney the winner of 19 of the 23 debates that were held during the long primary season. But those victories were recorded by a candidate who was always the front-runner and came against an unprecedentedly weak field. Nonetheless, by watching these debates, the president and his team had to know they weren’t facing a weak or inexperienced debater.
So where does
President Obama’s puzzling and inexcusably poor debate performance leave the race? The next couple of days will reveal whether it has moved the polls at all. The national polls are close; movement of two or three points would make this a statistical dead heat.
President Obama’s advisers are right though. The Electoral College math is what counts and it remains firmly on his side. And the president will surely be better in the next two debates, one of which is in the “Town Hall” format that he invariably does so well in. Regardless,
President Obama must up his game.
Strong and convincing debate showings aside there is no doubt about whose side
Romney is on when it comes right down to it: those who have rather than those who have not.
And in the upcoming debates,
President Obama shouldn’t be afraid to repeat what Governor Romney was now infamously caught on camera saying at a fundraiser in May about those who don’t have. I can’t believe the president didn’t avail of the opportunity to remind viewers of it on Wednesday night.
I’ve written and said it before and I’ll write and say it again. The 2012 US presidential election is vitally important to the future of the country of my birth. All going well and with God’s help, Ireland will be the country of my unborn child’s birth next month.
But this election matters a lot to him or to her, too. Accordingly, I hope that Wednesday night will ultimately prove just an unfortunate low point in and nothing more than an historical footnote to
President Barack Obama’s two-term presidency.
*Larry Donnelly lectures in law at Galway University and is a Boston native Read all the news on the Election 2012 here
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.BrianO | Oct 09, 2012, 01:09 PM EDT
I guess Clint Eastwood was spot on with that empty chair.
Maggie47 | Oct 08, 2012, 05:03 PM EDT
Oh my, Where are the jobs? Lived in Ma. during the Romney years I saw what he did for his state and I am proud of it.
jetsnoone | Oct 07, 2012, 08:01 AM EDT
Sorry, Moirann, but the vast majority or Irish-Americans will not vote for Obama because of his very strong pro-abortion position. In effect this guy is a major baby-killer cant' you see?...plus the election is about whether you are of the philosophy that government should take most of your money and then give it back to you in government run programs, or whether you should be allowed to keep most of your money and then shop aroung for the stuff you need. Me, personally, I follow the advice of Ronald Reagan: "don't give the liberals your parycheck. ;Keep it for yourself and your family."
AengusOg | Oct 07, 2012, 07:16 AM EDT
As a candidate in 2008, Barak Obama was paper-thin. He had almost no experience beyond being a community organizer. He had no track record. He had no cohort of trusted decision-makers, which is true of legislatures. He won on Bush backlash, anti-war sentiment, he came across as likeable. His opponent, John McCain had a superb resume, including working with the opposition to pass legislation favored by Democrats, identifying banking problems early on and a tremendous strength of character exhibited while a POW. Now that the nearly invisible man has come under far greater scrutiny, his glib manner is no longer a sufficient cover for this executive neophyte.
BippyBellito | Oct 06, 2012, 01:37 PM EDT
I'm confused. I've read here and elsewhere that Obama was always the smartest person in any crowd. After the debate, it was obvious that most of us "Dumb Micks" were smarter. What a disgrace Obama has been. The Emperor has No Clothes.
Moirann16 | Oct 06, 2012, 10:31 AM EDT
Chicago1, Romney is a liar and knows jack about being poor OR middle class. Anyone who has an Irish background or brains (not mutually exclusive of course)should know enough to realize Mittens is a product of an out of touch upbringing. Obama actually gives a dang about people. Dems will sweep the election and voting rethug is a slap in the face to any Irish or Irish-American's history.
mairint | Oct 06, 2012, 05:09 AM EDT
May I address this to you Larry? First, just because you are Irish does not mean you MUST be Democrat supporter. Allowing your God-given intelligence to reign above old hand-me-down habits you can not avoid realizing how disastrous it would be if Pres. Obama were to be re-installed for another 4 years. His heart is not in true American loyalties. He has betrayed millions of preborn American citizens by increasing the funding of the abortion industry with vast amounts of taxpayers money. You as an expectant Dad surely feel that deeply. Obama had interfered with the military strength by ordering their sensitivity to Islamism (requested by Imams). Now lies emerge about millions of jobs having been made recently. What next? Let America have a true American who can lead by example of how to succeed in business because he understands how it should be done. Working as a Social worker is fine but not exactly training for the White House. All the very best with your new little family member.
allentown | Oct 05, 2012, 11:17 PM EDT
If the economists forecasted 115,000 new jobs would be created in September, which would leave the unemployment rate at 8.1 - 8.2%. How did the unemployment rate drop to 7.8% with 114,000 new jobs created?
faberm1 | Oct 05, 2012, 10:45 PM EDT
President Obama gave a convincing demonstration of just how incredibly he's been in over his head trying to govern this country. My sister-in-law hair dresser has more business experience than he does. He's the emperor without clothes.
cillowen | Oct 05, 2012, 10:09 PM EDT
Obama did the rope-a-dope (a term I used that now appear being used by tele mavens) on Romney. Poor girlie-man mormom was focussed on jabs, jabs, jabs, while trying to lay a hand on Obama but today romney was knocked out by thundering Obama left jab - that had his head ringing of jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. On regaining a little of his senses Romney now believes all the good news on economic turnabout is but a conspiracy - being a joe smith believer its understandable - what a con man his prophet turned out to be.
EphraimKibbey | Oct 05, 2012, 08:47 PM EDT
Frosty38 - According to the papers of the time, there was not a snowball in hell's chance that he would be re-elected Gov. of Mass. and he did not want to go into the 2008 primaries with a giant loss under his belt. That's our Mittens, always scheming.
jetsnoone | Oct 05, 2012, 08:28 PM EDT
Obama, America's abortionist in Chief....
jamthecat | Oct 05, 2012, 08:18 PM EDT
When you're willing to cheat and lie, it's easy to win. Romney proved that. What's disgusting is how Obama let him. No surprising though, considering how many times over the last 4 years he's brown-nosed Boehner and McConnell. Romney's a sociopath who will use nuclear weapons at the first opportunity. So if you want to start the end of civilization, by all means vote for him.
murphy666 | Oct 05, 2012, 05:35 PM EDT
Larry, learn the difference between "disinterested" and "uninterested."
Frosty38 | Oct 05, 2012, 03:43 PM EDT
why did he do one term?
citizen69 | Oct 05, 2012, 02:40 PM EDT
Gotta love the headline - Irish shocked!... erm, yeah we are. I don't know how we are going to get over this! :-/
stanchaz | Oct 05, 2012, 02:28 PM EDT
It's not a debate victory, if Romney can flip-flop his positions again, and leave the President off guard. It's like--how do you fight against a ghost who keeps shape-shifting with his Etch-A-Sketch?? The REAL Mitt Romney is an opportunist who will say anything to get himself and his rich cronies into power. And THEN- watch out! Mitt, you can fool some of the people some of the time...but we see thru your rich man lies and schemes. But don't worry Mitt....you- the Big Flipper- will ALWAYs have a job at the International House of Pancakes :- And the people will re-elect Mr. Obama....
EphraimKibbey | Oct 05, 2012, 02:17 PM EDT
MotherIrish - You say that Romney believes what he says. How can someone BELIEVE in completely opposite views in front of different audiences? More likely Magical Mitt the Mendacious believes in saying what he thinks his audience wants to hear. Remember to judge not by the words but by the fruits. Obama's fruits: Unemployment 7.8% and falling (92.2% are employed,) over 5 million new private sector jobs created (more than were lost by the Cheney/Bush crash,) American auto industry alive and kicking, $3,600 tax cut for middle class families, tax cuts for small businesses, increased funding of veterans benefits, Iraq war ended, Bin Laden dead, 95% of Al Queda leadership dead, Kadafi dead, Iranian currency inflation from sanctions spurring riots, 9 wins against Chinese trade infractions, 3 new global markets opened, lowest oil imports in two decades, green energy startups everywhere. Any more and this post will be too big to get on but for Romney's fruits, note that he is losing to Obama by 28% in Mass. where he last ran things.
pilib04 | Oct 05, 2012, 02:09 PM EDT
While on the subject of things the President forgot to say Wednesday night: No reference to the famous Romney comment about letting the Big Three Auto Manufacturers go bankrupt and what that would have done to the American working class. Not a word about saving GM, FORD and CHRYSLER and the millions of jobs dependent on these three AMERICAN corporations.
pilib04 | Oct 05, 2012, 01:49 PM EDT
Funny thing... Poverty increased in most all of the states with Republican governors. I don't understand why unemployed and under employed people can't be successful and prosper.
PhlutiePhan | Oct 05, 2012, 01:35 PM EDT
The have nots are solidly for Obama. He promises them the sky. So, who is going to work and pay the taxes that are needed to pay the electoral bribes for the entitled.
Chicago1 | Oct 05, 2012, 01:18 PM EDT
tony, the unemployment #s? really? Even the President's friendly media admit that the #s are not good when you factor in the # of people that have given up looking for work. Moriann, what do you think of Romney's record as Governor? Was he an enemy to the middle class? the poor? THis country is in such a mess and we have noone to blame but ourselves - lazy voters. Before voting, research the candidates. Base your vote on facts not 1/2 truths or party affiliation. If you want to see what blindly voting for a party without really looking into the candidates gets you, take a look at Illinois; last 2 governors in prison, city pensions raided, failed career politicians handing jobs to unqualified family members .........
BrianO | Oct 05, 2012, 01:18 PM EDT
Johnshiel, closet rightwinger? He is, a not so in the closet marxist, with good Pr from his side of the press corps. " you didn't build it", " I believe in re distibution", "share the wealth". As to job numbers, check out the u6 numbers, ie actual unemployed number, unchanged. So how does the unemployment rate go below 8%? simply have fewer people looking for work, have your population so depressed they stop looking for work or go on disability, really sad.
WoundedKnee | Oct 05, 2012, 01:11 PM EDT
I don't expect Obama to do this, but a winner for him in the Foreign debate would be to ask Romney why he has to get Tel Aviv on the phone every time he wants to know what he thinks.
Eschetic | Oct 05, 2012, 12:46 PM EDT
A temporary victory of style over substance. Of course Romney (who has had a relatively successful political career - although nowhere near what his father had and he couldn't get any traction when he tried to move to New York) is not the dufus he has appeared through too much of his campaign, but for those who LISTENED rather than just watched the debate (or know the difference between "refuting" a charge and merely "denying" it), our boy still refused to provide any substantive details about ANY of his major proposals and the fact checkers following the debate on moderate and conservative channels alike (other than the sick joke that is Fox "News") pointed out far more "whoppers" from Mitt than from the President. This debate provided a more accurate view of Romney as a viable candidate, but one tied or even "won" debate based on how well he LOOKED and that the President's first appearance (from a man who is usually the more dynamic campaigner) was surprisingly subdued won't change the real momentum which is against our boy as the nation HEARS more and more about the scary right wing agenda he's pushing.
johnshiel | Oct 05, 2012, 12:45 PM EDT
BrianO: very cogent point: he cannot speak from his true beliefs and values... But what if we just learned that Mr. O is a closet rightwinger who just deliberately took a fall and is handing the gavel to Mr. R in a preplanned scheme...???
AltRockAddict | Oct 05, 2012, 12:18 PM EDT
I support every eloquent point made by #Motherirish! But what makes the opinions of the electroal college more important than those of the individual American voters? Mr. Donnely is right...the EC is firmly on Obama's side, so what does it matter who wins the people's majority?
FastEddy | Oct 05, 2012, 10:53 AM EDT
No teleprompter = no clear message = no win, no spin ...
tony whelan | Oct 05, 2012, 10:53 AM EDT
the reason president Obama didn't bring up the now famous comment about the 47% was that he didn't want to give Romney a stage to address it in front of 67 million viewers. Romney was counting on it. but Obama wouldn't bite good strategy i think.Romney had a good night wed. and a good day thurs. Now it's friday and the unemployment # are out. the # are very good for Obama and thats what people will be talking about for the next few weeks not how well Romney did in the debate.
DrMcHugh | Oct 05, 2012, 10:49 AM EDT
As I watched the debate and heard Mitt Romney say that it made sense to have regulations, when he and his party have been strongly opposed to regulations, I wondered where the REAL Romney was. Who is the REAL Romney? He has one position on one day, and he changes it the next, in order to suit the people who he is talking to. Romney wants to be president. That is the bottom line. And with his money, he may well buy the presidency of the US, like he bought the nomination.
hermitTalker | Oct 05, 2012, 10:25 AM EDT
It did help to know that Obama has no record of successes on which to re-run and is fairly useless without his writers and the teleprompter. His defenders and Mr Romney'a anti-squad have pounced on Mr Romney but Mr Obama's own statements were not all accurate and he himself did not refute the so-called "lies." He dug his own hole and when it comes to foreign policy and the VP debate we shall see how the messianic promises crumbled. He was too young and inexperienced and should have stepped aside for Mrs Clinton who would have been less naive and knew Washington's culture better from her own life and experience. I did not even consider voting for Mr Obama and will not ever vote Democrat again as long as their control over the Culture of Death holds up.
michaelidaho | Oct 05, 2012, 10:22 AM EDT
Excellent analysis of the debate performance. I would go a step further and say this was both the best (i.e. Romney) and worst (i.e. Obama) presidential debate performances I have ever witnessed by any participantsgoing back to the 1980s. Obama looked like he just woke up from a nap and had the flu or something. His answers were bland, too general and the same old babble (more money for clean energy and education,--gee, how original, I have only heard the same nonsense in the last three State of the Union addresses). Nothing innovative, just the same old sob story that we have to pour more money into failed educational and energy policies.
MotherIrish | Oct 05, 2012, 10:19 AM EDT
First of all, why are the Irish so interested in the US election process and outcome. Secondly, you should have to admit that Mitt Romney knows something that Obama does not know - how to work with the opposition to get results that are not bullied i.e. Obamcare. Thirdly, having your personal knowledge of how Romney deals with people in general, you should right now change your political views. The USA is not the social welfare state that Ireland is. My dad came here from Ireland to work hard, save as much as possible and to help only the real helpless and to not invest in making the USA a welfare state. Where have the strong Irish folks who believe in honest work over welfare gone? Maybe to university like you??
MotherIrish | Oct 05, 2012, 10:06 AM EDT
Obama cannot reveal his true ideology, that is of an anti capitalist, government controlling, statist. Therefore without a written speech or teleprompter he must be careful with his words as he must appear to be pro business, pro constitution, pro free enterprise. Mitt on the other hand actually believes what he says, he therefore has no need for a written speech or teleprompter to guard his speech as he believes in the founding documents of the country The Constitution The Bill Of Rights, and States rights. The Obama forces are combing hours of hours of Romneys fundraisers, rotary meetings, governors press conferences to try to find a snippett to spin to put Romney on the defensive.
Moirann16 | Oct 05, 2012, 09:59 AM EDT
Romney is not a friend to the middle class or to anyone who has suffered unemployment. I will be voting for Obama again. Debates are not a game changer; Romney is still evil!
miamicanes | Oct 05, 2012, 09:48 AM EDT
A lair who lies and believes his own lies is very persuasive. Hence, nothing has changed with Mittie, ,
tom/peggy | Oct 05, 2012, 09:39 AM EDT
The Univision interview of president Obama set the tone. Univison was the first news organization to challenge the President and he crashed and burned. This debate was not surprising. He simply does not do well without a teleprompter. A media star created by a friendly media.