Even from Galway, Mitt Romney trounced Barack Obama in debate -- Irish shocked, but Romney won tough debates in Boston in 2002
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Very early on Thursday morning, I sprinted to my office in the law school at the National University of Ireland, Galway to watch the previous night’s US presidential debate on my computer.
Despite my intention to avoid hearing how the debate had gone before I watched it, it was among the first news items on Irish radio when my alarm clock went off. And the analysis was unanimous. President Barack Obama had done poorly, while former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney had shone.
I was not surprised. Most Irish on the other hand were shocked. The feeling in Ireland was that Romney was a poor debater. I knew otherwise. I write as a Democrat and a supporter of President Obama. I also write as a Massachusetts native and as someone who is well-acquainted with Governor Romney.
Far more instructive as to Governor Romney’s abilities as a debater were the debates in the run-up to his election as governor of Massachusetts in 2002. Running as a Republican in perhaps the most left-leaning state in the country, he managed to pull off an extraordinary win against the Democratic nominee, Shannon O’Brien, an Irish-American from a well-established western Massachusetts political family who had already been elected to statewide office.
I recall watching their last debate, in particular. As Shannon O’Brien self-destructed, Mitt Romney remained “on message” and articulated a crystal clear vision of how he would work to reform Massachusetts politics and government and to revitalize the local economy. Whatever Massachusetts voters might have thought of him personally or of his party, they could not deny his competence because of how effectively he drove this attribute of his home with them in that final debate. He won the election by over 100,000 votes out of some two million cast.
But as something of a skeptic – both when it comes to the influence of debates on the outcomes of elections and on the typically partisan reactions of political commentators to the performance of the candidates – I still turned on my computer with an open mind. It wasn’t long, however, before I found myself concurring with the pundits I had heard on the radio. Governor Romney was the clear winner.
More to the point, this was the worst performance of any kind I have ever seen President Obama give on any stage. In total contrast to each and every other occasion on which I have heard the president speak in public, he was halting and hesitating. Even worse, he seemed ill-prepared and appeared disinterested, other than at the outset, when he apologized to his wife, Michelle, for having to share their twentieth wedding anniversary with in excess of forty million viewers across the US and around the globe.
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Governor Romney, on the other hand, was impressive from start to finish. He demonstrated an incredible grasp of detail, was unflinchingly self-assured, looked totally comfortable in his own skin and demonstrated an affability and a sense of humor, if not a likability, throughout the debate.
His stories about and seemingly genuine sympathy for the ordinary Americans he and his wife, Ann, have met on the campaign trail undoubtedly helped to vitiate his reputation as a ruthless businessman unconcerned with the plight of those Americans who are struggling. It was reminiscent of former President Ronald Reagan. Governor Romney presented himself to the American people as a very capable businessman, who loves his family and his country and who is uniquely well-qualified to kick-start an economic recovery in the US.
It is unsurprising that Governor Romney’s inner circle and fellow Republicans were largely unreserved in expressing their glee in how the debate had gone afterward. President Obama’s political strategists and prominent Democrats sought to portray things quite differently.
Their message was that the president had made a solid case for a second term; that Governor Romney did not do anything to make the American people like him personally; and that the debate would not change the Electoral College math that still favors their candidate. Yet the realities of what happened in the debate and the poll numbers indicating that 67% of viewers regarded Governor Romney as the victor fly in the face of their assertions.
While it is also unsurprising that President Obama’s surrogates and supporters would try to spin things favorably for their candidate, it is extremely surprising that the president and some of the best political operatives in the business would allow themselves to be wrong-footed by Governor Romney.
Before and after the debate, commentators have noted that Governor Romney dominated many of the debates during the Republican primary campaign. Indeed, President Obama’s own campaign manager, Jim Messina, termed Governor Romney the winner of 19 of the 23 debates that were held during the long primary season. But those victories were recorded by a candidate who was always the front-runner and came against an unprecedentedly weak field. Nonetheless, by watching these debates, the president and his team had to know they weren’t facing a weak or inexperienced debater.
So where does President Obama’s puzzling and inexcusably poor debate performance leave the race? The next couple of days will reveal whether it has moved the polls at all. The national polls are close; movement of two or three points would make this a statistical dead heat. President Obama’s advisers are right though. The Electoral College math is what counts and it remains firmly on his side. And the president will surely be better in the next two debates, one of which is in the “Town Hall” format that he invariably does so well in. Regardless, President Obama must up his game.
Strong and convincing debate showings aside there is no doubt about whose side Romney is on when it comes right down to it: those who have rather than those who have not.
And in the upcoming debates, President Obama shouldn’t be afraid to repeat what Governor Romney was now infamously caught on camera saying at a fundraiser in May about those who don’t have. I can’t believe the president didn’t avail of the opportunity to remind viewers of it on Wednesday night.
I’ve written and said it before and I’ll write and say it again. The 2012 US presidential election is vitally important to the future of the country of my birth. All going well and with God’s help, Ireland will be the country of my unborn child’s birth next month.
But this election matters a lot to him or to her, too. Accordingly, I hope that Wednesday night will ultimately prove just an unfortunate low point in and nothing more than an historical footnote to President Barack Obama’s two-term presidency.
*Larry Donnelly lectures in law at Galway University and is a Boston native
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stanchaz | Oct 05, 2012, 02:28 PM EDT
It's not a debate victory, if Romney can flip-flop his positions again, and leave the President off guard.
It's like--how do you fight against a ghost who keeps shape-shifting with his Etch-A-Sketch??
The REAL Mitt Romney is an opportunist who will say anything to get himself and his rich cronies into power. And THEN- watch out!
Mitt, you can fool some of the people some of the time...but we see thru your rich man lies and schemes.
But don't worry Mitt....you- the Big Flipper- will ALWAYs have a job at the International House of Pancakes :-
And the people will re-elect Mr. Obama....
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EphraimKibbey | Oct 05, 2012, 02:17 PM EDT
MotherIrish - You say that Romney believes what he says. How can someone BELIEVE in completely opposite views in front of different audiences? More likely Magical Mitt the Mendacious believes in saying what he thinks his audience wants to hear. Remember to judge not by the words but by the fruits. Obama's fruits: Unemployment 7.8% and falling (92.2% are employed,) over 5 million new private sector jobs created (more than were lost by the Cheney/Bush crash,) American auto industry alive and kicking, $3,600 tax cut for middle class families, tax cuts for small businesses, increased funding of veterans benefits, Iraq war ended, Bin Laden dead, 95% of Al Queda leadership dead, Kadafi dead, Iranian currency inflation from sanctions spurring riots, 9 wins against Chinese trade infractions, 3 new global markets opened, lowest oil imports in two decades, green energy startups everywhere. Any more and this post will be too big to get on but for Romney's fruits, note that he is losing to Obama by 28% in Mass. where he last ran things.
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pilib04 | Oct 05, 2012, 02:09 PM EDT
While on the subject of things the President forgot to say Wednesday night: No reference to the famous Romney comment about letting the Big Three Auto Manufacturers go bankrupt and what that would have done to the American working class. Not a word about saving GM, FORD and CHRYSLER and the millions of jobs dependent on these three AMERICAN corporations.
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pilib04 | Oct 05, 2012, 01:49 PM EDT
Funny thing... Poverty increased in most all of the states with Republican governors. I don't understand why unemployed and under employed people can't be successful and prosper.
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PhlutiePhan | Oct 05, 2012, 01:35 PM EDT
The have nots are solidly for Obama. He promises them the sky. So, who is going to work and pay the taxes that are needed to pay the electoral bribes for the entitled.
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Chicago1 | Oct 05, 2012, 01:18 PM EDT
tony, the unemployment #s? really? Even the President's friendly media admit that the #s are not good when you factor in the # of people that have given up looking for work.
Moriann, what do you think of Romney's record as Governor? Was he an enemy to the middle class? the poor?
THis country is in such a mess and we have noone to blame but ourselves - lazy voters. Before voting, research the candidates. Base your vote on facts not 1/2 truths or party affiliation.
If you want to see what blindly voting for a party without really looking into the candidates gets you, take a look at
Illinois; last 2 governors in prison, city pensions raided, failed career politicians handing jobs to unqualified family members .........
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BrianO | Oct 05, 2012, 01:18 PM EDT
Johnshiel, closet rightwinger? He is, a not so in the closet marxist, with good Pr from his side of the press corps. " you didn't build it", " I believe in re distibution", "share the wealth". As to job numbers, check out the u6 numbers, ie actual unemployed number, unchanged. So how does the unemployment rate go below 8%? simply have fewer people looking for work, have your population so depressed they stop looking for work or go on disability, really sad.
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WoundedKnee | Oct 05, 2012, 01:11 PM EDT
I don't expect Obama to do this, but a winner for him in the Foreign debate would be to ask Romney why he has to get Tel Aviv on the phone every time he wants to know what he thinks.
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Eschetic | Oct 05, 2012, 12:46 PM EDT
A temporary victory of style over substance. Of course Romney (who has had a relatively successful political career - although nowhere near what his father had and he couldn't get any traction when he tried to move to New York) is not the dufus he has appeared through too much of his campaign, but for those who LISTENED rather than just watched the debate (or know the difference between "refuting" a charge and merely "denying" it), our boy still refused to provide any substantive details about ANY of his major proposals and the fact checkers following the debate on moderate and conservative channels alike (other than the sick joke that is Fox "News") pointed out far more "whoppers" from Mitt than from the President. This debate provided a more accurate view of Romney as a viable candidate, but one tied or even "won" debate based on how well he LOOKED and that the President's first appearance (from a man who is usually the more dynamic campaigner) was surprisingly subdued won't change the real momentum which is against our boy as the nation HEARS more and more about the scary right wing agenda he's pushing.
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johnshiel | Oct 05, 2012, 12:45 PM EDT
BrianO: very cogent point: he cannot speak from his true beliefs and values... But what if we just learned that Mr. O is a closet rightwinger who just deliberately took a fall and is handing the gavel to Mr. R in a preplanned scheme...???
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AltRockAddict | Oct 05, 2012, 12:18 PM EDT
I support every eloquent point made by #Motherirish!
But what makes the opinions of the electroal college more important than those of the individual American voters? Mr. Donnely is right...the EC is firmly on Obama's side, so what does it matter who wins the people's majority?
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FastEddy | Oct 05, 2012, 10:53 AM EDT
No teleprompter = no clear message = no win, no spin ...
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tony whelan | Oct 05, 2012, 10:53 AM EDT
the reason president Obama didn't bring up the now famous comment about the 47% was that he didn't want to give Romney a stage to address it in front of 67 million viewers. Romney was counting on it. but Obama wouldn't bite good strategy i think.Romney had a good night wed. and a good day thurs. Now it's friday and the unemployment # are out. the # are very good for Obama and thats what people will be talking about for the next few weeks not how well Romney did in the debate.
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DrMcHugh | Oct 05, 2012, 10:49 AM EDT
As I watched the debate and heard Mitt Romney say that it made sense to have regulations, when he and his party have been strongly opposed to regulations, I wondered where the REAL Romney was. Who is the REAL Romney? He has one position on one day, and he changes it the next, in order to suit the people who he is talking to. Romney wants to be president. That is the bottom line. And with his money, he may well buy the presidency of the US, like he bought the nomination.
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