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When suicide beckons what can a friend do to stop it? Dreadful dilemma as Irish prevention services slow to act

Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2012 at 06:19 AM
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Suicide is still a taboo subject in Ireland

It should come as little surprise that the stigma attached to mental health is still stopping people accessing the necessary support, according to a survey released as part of Suicide Awareness Week.

However, knowing where to look for help can be just as big a barrier as any associated stigma.

I learnt this the hard way when I heard two words I will never forget.

At the other end of the phone line was a friend who had called me in a state of panic. He could barely get the words “attempting suicide” out of his mouth. Someone close to him was self-harming and in dire need of help.

With suicide being so prevalent in Ireland I wondered why this person whom I knew, but was not so close to personally, was calling me when his loved one was in need of urgent help.

When I began frantically making phone calls trying to help I found out why.

While he was on the other line telling me he had rang several hospitals, I used my landline to dial the Mater.

I was transferred several times before I was put through to A&E. The nurse who answered told me to tell the person to come in, take a ticket and wait for the psychiatrist on duty who would then assess the patient.

I immediately wondered, with little time to spare, how long that would take. So, I then decided to ring any psychiatrist that would answer the phone and ask if they could help.

Despite the urgent nature of my request, the earliest appointment I could get was in two weeks. They told me if it was urgent to go to A&E.

Luckily, through a close contact, a professional thankfully gave us advice to cope in the short term and saw the person who was in desperate need the very next day. They are now receiving the necessary help and support to help them on the road to recovery.

However, it appears when people are confronted with such a nightmare situation there seems to be little to help or guide them. In a country where such situations are sadly arising more frequently this is a disgrace.

The problem when someone is self-harming is that it falls between two stools — medical and mental health. The problem for the person left trying to cope is there is no clear course of action, because it is not something we openly discuss or are educated about.

Suicide is sadly still a taboo subject in Ireland, because for a people that love to talk, the last thing many of us want to discuss is our mental health.

While 186 people were killed on our roads in 2011, the latest official statistics show there were 525 deaths by suicide last year.

And even though suicide in Ireland can only be described as an epidemic, there seems scant support for those contemplating taking their own life.

Indeed, if we invested as much energy into suicide prevention as we do curbing fatalities on our roads the figures would be far lower.

While Suicide Awareness Week, which comes to an end on September 17, is certainly helping to raise awareness, the dialogue must continue.

Because, the fact is, if we remain silent when it comes to suicide any services provided by the health service, while much welcomed, will ultimately be tantamount to the sound of one hand clapping.

Paul Allen is managing director of Paul Allen & Associates.


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Keep it simple: Murder is a mortal sin and that includes suicide....as a Catholic you are obligated to seek help but realize it is not worth losing your immortal soul and you will if you commit suicide......tough, tough words for a liberal to swallow!
It's a good thing that IC is publishing articles on this problem. A recent study from the Univ. of Cambridge and Stamford, as reviewed in the NY Times 11/4/12, warns about increased suicide rates during extended economic hard times: "The research team linked the suicide rate to unemployment, using numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Every rise of 1 percent in unemployment was accompanied by an increase in the suicide rate of roughly 1 percent, it found. A similar correlation has been found in some European countries since the recession." I'd guess that the rise in global terrorism events works with economic recession to make the future seem completely unpredictable and frightening, especially to young people. Again, suicidal persons are not usually delusional. They need personal intervention, encouragement to believe that their lives can improve, and we should not tell them that their perceptions are inaccurate, just mental illness.
My last posts digress too much from from Allen’s article; my apologies for that. What a horror story it was to read the other day of a Co. Kerry Coroner investigating 8 recent deaths in the area, 6 of which were suicides.
(…more) Now his Govt plans to do next year exactly what he complained of 1994. We don’t have complete freedom, even in our homes; laws are made by Govts primarily to protect a nation for the greater good, by whatever means they choose to enact into law. The proposed Household Tax will not be for the greater good. There are already too many cut-backs, reductions in salaries and welfare allowances for a majority of Irish people to manage and get by on. This Household Tax will leave many thousands destitute, ground into the ground and may even make many more Irish people suicidal. How prepared will we be, if a relative or friend is driven to this extreme... as Allen talks about.
Well put eiriamach and I agree w/ yr freedom statement which I regret to say can only be an aspiration. The problem as I see it is that Govts do interfere with private households’ freedom of choices, even Irish Govts. They are lawmakers and we have to obey the law or face punishment of some kind. The Irish Govt is planning a Household Tax next year, a complete intrusion on my home and millions of other Irish homes. (Present Taoiseach, Enda Kenny, in 1994, slated a Fianna Fail property tax, saying: " .... but all Irish people believe that a man's house is his castle. It is morally unjust and unfair to tax a person's home, and by so doing grind him into the ground. Indeed in cases it could probably be unconstitutional. … (the Govt) is making a serious mistake. Residential property tax is the one issue in the budget causing great anxiety…”). That was back in 1994. (More...)
Jacers, I'm strongly opposed to government intrusion, especially coercion, into the personal and family lives of citizens. Freedom is my most important value. I believe in education, however, and in these times, with the help of media, government officials, along with public schools, can educate citizens, just as UN public health workers have been doing in drought-afflicted areas of Africa, for example. We have enough research that tell us unmitigated population growth leads to overcrowding, breakdowns in sanitation, epidemic diseases, high maternal and infant mortality rates, violent crimes, suicides, wars and other ills. Most people will take responsibility in matters that affect the health and welfare of their children and other loved ones.
@ eiriamach –@Sep 22, 09.20am EDT. I agree on all of your points. That raises another crux of matter – if you were leader of a nation whose population was exploding, which would you chose? - Forced (coerced) limitation of births or proliferation of population leading to wide-spread starvation as has occurred in Nth Vietnam? In China, it was not just women who were under pain of penalty for conceiving more than one child.
Nice if saddening post by bonjourall and I agree with much of its sentiment. But I still believe that what Paul Allen is talking about is the lack of ability through lack of education and perhaps sheer ignorance of many of ordinary people to be able to cope with suicidal feelings, tendencies and emergencies amongst our families and friends. But as the front-liners in suicidal family or friends' cases, we should try to speak in common sense language, as bonjourall says. Some ordinary people, without professional training, are exceptionally gifted with words of comforting wisdom and are best-placed to soothe a potential suicide (I would not see myself as being adequate and wish the topic of suicide had been addressed and spoken of in my school classes. It wasn’t, ever - probably for the very reasons that eiriamach speaks of in her post Sep 17, 09.32am).
I remember reading that China has the highest rate of suicides of any nation on earth. And it's the only place where women commit suicide more often than men. Why? I have no doubt that it is because the government exercises such tight control of women's reproductive lives. Coerced birth control and abortion to limit the number of children leave women with no sense of freedom or free will, no control over their family lives, and no way of taking responsibility-- just obedience to power. There's a warning in the Chinese statistics for those who'd like to limit women's reproductive freedom in the US and elsewhere.
Friends, I’ve watched a documentary on BBC TV, ‘China on Four Wheels’ in the past week and it is being shown again right now, which has prompted me to write again. It is full of great stories, one of which relates to a high bridge over the Yangtze River in Nanjing, which has become a popular place for suicides. One local man in Nanjing has taken it upon himself to try stopping the suicides, patrolling the bridge on his motor scooter during his spare time, trying to persuade people not to jump. The saviour said in interview that since many were killing themselves off the bridge, he thought he should try and help. “I can’t help much”, he said, “but I can try and shine a light into their lives”. He has saved quite a few – 235 he says. (“One month I might save 10 people, other months none”). One of those he saved spoke of his saving by this man. “He said to me if you have money problems, I can help you get through them. If you have lost a wife/girlfriend, I can help you find a new one”. Simple words eh? We should all perhaps learn from this Chinese saviour’s simple philosophy.
I can't help wondering whether the tendency to see suicide as caused by mental illness comes from the longstanding position of the Catholic Church, which refused burial in consecrated ground to those who took their own lives, unless they were also insane. I have seen that a pastor's denying a church service and interment to someone who commits suicide was a source of shame and anger for the family. That attitude connects with mreinhar2001’s story about the person beaten at home for discussing suicide at school. Attitudes need to change!
There are some really wonderful people who post on this site. I've felt supported at times here, and I'm happy whenever I can give some support to someone else, too. Thanks - everyone on this page.
Sometimes, the support of immediate family, friends etc is not always going to help and we need to speak out and call for more support and education for us “ordinary” people on how we should deal with and respond to mental health problems in our own communities or families when they arise, as surely they will. I think that’s what Paul Allen is trying to say, speaking of the dilemma. Allen’s story, and mreinhar2001’s story of the man who spoke out about suicide and got a beating (presumably from his parents) for doing so, are good cases in point. We need to speak openly and be educated on how to understand and face suicidal situations. I’ll leave it at that.
I didn’t mention it in earlier posts because it was too painful to get off my chest but I had a sister-in-law who suffered from manic depression like Jim and had lots of help and support from family, friends and professionals over her young years. I used to regularly call to her home on my way home from work to check that she was ok on the nights that her shift-worker husband, my brother, worked late (no, don’t get smarmy, thinking other things; she was a very sick woman that we all cared about). One day, she left her two baby daughters alone in their home, walked for miles through Dublin’s streets before throwing herself in front of a speeding Dublin City bus at the age of 23. My brother never recovered from the emotional impact of that, though he is alive and well today TG and he and his now-adult two girls, who grew up never knowing their mother, are very close.
While I agree with eiriamach’s last post, esp re being committed to changing bad situations and glad and admiring of her success with three people, I’m not convinced that we “on the ground” can help much, without some education on how to deal with potential suicides in our midst. Yes, there will be instances where we all meet suicidal people and will do our best to convince them that things will change but it’s not going to work all the time. I hate saying this - I’m sure people will think this jacers would be a bad person to meet on account of the number of suicides he’s had the bad luck to encounter - there was a 50yr old man, Jim, running a very successful business, that I barely knew who spoke of his manic depression many times to many people, including all kinds of mental health specialists. I knew him for three years, listened to him talking about feeling that he wanted to kill himself, before he finally sat in his car in his garage and hose-pipe/carbon monoxide’d himself. All the lay person support we gave him came to nothing (I work in construction) and left its mark on us.
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