Pregaming, beer pong and the legal drinking age limit - Young-adult party cultures of Ireland and America
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No one takes of the Texan's offer.
Paddy Murphy gets up and leaves the bar.
Thirty minutes later, he shows back up and taps the Texan on the shoulder. ‘Is your bet still good?' asks Paddy.
The Texan answers, 'Yes’, and he orders the barman to line up 10 pints of Guinness.
Immediately, Paddy downs all 10 pints of beer, drinking them all back to back. The Texan sits down in amazement, gives Paddy $500 and asks, 'If ya don't mind me askin', where did you go for that 30 minutes you were gone?'
Paddy Murphy replies, 'Oh, I had to go to the pub down the street to make sure I could do it first.'
How many jokes like this have you heard? Whether we like it or not, the Irish have a reputation for being drinkers. One of my Irish tour guides explained to me and my fellow travelers, “Ireland is home to many festivals throughout the year, but really, these festivals are just excuses to have bigger drinking sessions than normal.”
Another group that gets labeled as heavy drinkers is college students. So, attending college in Ireland has given me the perfect opportunity to compare and contrast the drinking culture of my generation in American and in Ireland.
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At my college in Maine, and at most colleges across the country, the weekend nights start out with a “pregame.” Groups of friends get together and drink prior to attending larger parties or events. Pregaming usually involves music, conversation, and most importantly, drinking games. Beer pong, flip cup, and various card games are popular, but everyone has their favorite. Nevertheless, whatever game is chosen, the loser has to drink.
Naturally, my American friends and I have sustained our pregaming tendencies here in Ireland and we usually play a few games before we go out to the pubs. There have been multiple occasions where our new Irish friends have joined us beforehand, but rarely do any of them take part in the drinking games that we play. We ask them to join, but usually we get the response “No thanks, I’d rather sit here and laugh when you guys have to drink.”
I asked one of my Irish friends in particular, why don’t you ever play drinking games with us? He explained to me that he doesn’t want to have to drink because he can’t sink a ping pong ball in a cup, or because he didn’t choose the right card from a deck, and so on.
He said, “When Americans pre-drink, drinking is a punishment, but for the Irish, it’s a reward.” This made me think, do the Irish have a healthier attitude towards alcohol than Americans?
To be completely honest, going to college was eye-opening for me. Sadly, I’ve seen more people puking because they’re drunk than I’ve ever expected to see in a lifetime.
Despite having picked up a drunken Irish girl from a dance floor, and hearing a story about an Irish girl laying drunk in the street gutter, in my time in Ireland so far the general drunkenness of the people I see is mild compared to what I see at college. (This sounds bad—for my college, for my peers, for America. But rather than passing judgment, I’m just stating the differences.)
I think there are a couple of reasons for the dissimilarities in the young-adult drinking cultures of Ireland and America:
The legal drinking age in Ireland is 18, rather than 21. The younger drinking age has been theorized to promote more responsible drinking habits in young adults than those who are not legal until the age of 21. (I’m not going to delve into this deeply because the sociological/psychological/cultural study of this has taken up books by itself.)
Drinking takes place in public places more often so you simply can’t be that drunk. Drinking at my college primarily takes place on campus, in dorms, and on-campus houses. There aren’t clubs or bars around so we drink inside. There aren’t security guards monitoring the parties to reprimand someone who is too drunk or being obnoxious or belligerent. Because of this “freedom”, people go overboard.
But what I’m really interested in is the American tendency to make drinking a punishment. Why are the popular drinking games those that make people drink when they lose?
My Irish friend really made it clear to me that there is something backwards in this approach to drinking, and I can’t help but wonder that if college-aged Americans begin to change our views of drinking, and move them closer to those of the Irish, who view drinking as a reward, would my generation’s drinking habits become safer and healthier?
Though they may be able to drink a lot, the Irish folk I’ve met know that drinking should remain an enjoyable activity rather than a dangerous habit.
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abhainn | Oct 30, 2011, 02:35 PM EDT
As an Irish person I do not regard alcohol as either reward or punishment, but simply as something I enjoy doing, like dining. The thing that bothers me when watching Americans drinking is the shot culture of downing liquors in one go, instead of sipping them over time, in the Irish fashion. A man may drink an Irish measure of whiskey over a 15 or 30 minute period. An American just throws the entire thing down his neck in one ignorant gulp without appreciating the qualities of the drink. It is about getting drunk quickly rather than enjoying the finely crafted flavours of the drink.
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timbobdennehy | Oct 28, 2011, 01:43 PM EDT
mollie seems to be a bright american to notice a difference in attitude towards drinking between irish and american young adults.
i and most of my age group of 30.started drinking at 16 maybe in your fathers local haunt,he was supervising you and he bought the drink my limit was 2 pints.i could not of course go in unsupervised and get a pint,since that was illegal.
i didnt have to hide my drink so hence had a healthier attitude towards it and was,nt interested in it as much as smoking,for me drink was not taboo,smoking was.it was an adrenalen rush to have a smoke and not be caught.it was,nt to have a pint.
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joycean | Oct 21, 2011, 09:29 AM EDT
I don't have advice for Mollie or her generation. What I see in her description of drinking at her Maine College campus is manic over-indulgence in an activity that they know is illegal. Maybe young people need a dose of reality before they learn they are not immortal.
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kilfinnane | Oct 20, 2011, 01:36 PM EDT
What a terrible tragedy. So I assume you welcome thoughtful discussion by young people like Mollie on the subject of whether American college students "have something backward in their approach to drinking" and how her generation might develop safer drinking habits? Or is her voice to be silenced because she admits to occasionally partaking? Most problems get solved from the inside out not the outside in. Smart people seek to find deeper meaning in things that appear simple on their face. Mollie picked up on a seemingly simple cultural difference, that Young Irish don't engage in drinking games, and wonders if she/we can learn something more significant from that. I like the way this young girl thinks and writes. I hope she doesn't get discouraged.
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joycean | Oct 20, 2011, 11:40 AM EDT
When my daughter was a twenty-year-old college student, she got into her car after drinking and was in a horrible single-car accident. She had to be taken by helicopter to a large trauma center, where she repeatedly had to be put on life-support. She broke every major bone on her left side and lost her speen. She required multiple surgeries and many months of rehab. When she tried to return to college, she failed all her courses the first semester back.
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eiriamach | Oct 19, 2011, 11:42 AM EDT
OK, michaelcollins, I've had my say here, and I'll leave it at this: drinking goes with "craic" as you and Mollie say, but it's also a high-risk activity for a 20-year-old, especially a female, because women's bodies metabolize alcohol at a slower rate than men's bodies. Young people need a balanced view, rather than just stories of the enticements, the sense of freedom, and the games. Maybe sometime Mollie can tell the darker side of the drinking story. If she has not experienced it yet, she probably will. Relaxing now and going away....
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kilfinnane | Oct 19, 2011, 11:41 AM EDT
If you want to rant, why not grind your teeth on the fact that the $500 Paddy Murphy took off the Texan is only worth 361 Euro.
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michaelcollins | Oct 19, 2011, 11:15 AM EDT
most students in ireland dont have a car......mollie is not breaking the law here in ireland also i dont really know were your going with drink driving.....everyone knows it happens in every country in the world.......mollie is just trying to have a bit of craic here and then you have to piss on her parade saying she is breaking the law when the girl is just trying to tell the difference between how irish people dont play drinking games......relax there will ye
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eiriamach | Oct 19, 2011, 10:47 AM EDT
Yes, michaelcollins, it could be worse, but it's bad enough. The last time I lost students, a full caarload of them, to a drunk driving accident was graduation night back in 2004 or 05. I've lost count of how many have disappeared from classes never to return because they succumbed to peer pressure to drink illegally in institutions of higher education. I don't back down on this issue. For American students, whether it's "culture" or "freedom" from parental supervision or stupidity, it's too often suicidal. If Irish students can drink without dying at the same rate, God bless 'em. But not here in the USA, not now and probably not ever.
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michaelcollins | Oct 19, 2011, 10:22 AM EDT
eiriamach.......jaysus i wouldn't of liked to kick a football into your garden when i was a kid.....big deal 20yr old mollie had a few drinks.....it could be worse......she could be 18 and handed a machine gun and told to go to iraq and murder people
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eiriamach | Oct 19, 2011, 09:37 AM EDT
Kilfinnane, each year, hundreds of university students on any large campus are hospitalized with alcohol poisoning, and some die of it. Others become addicted and drop out of university. Mollie admits-- no, she brags-- that she and her friends routinely pre-gamed at her college in Maine. She flouted the law. Maybe Irish third-level students can drop into a pub without driving and then driving back drunk. Most American students cannot, and that is not likely to change. This article depicts Mollie as a "good-time girl" from the USA, who went to Ireland for her "education" so that she could drink legally at age 20. If I were her parent, she'd be on the next plane home, for sure. Pre-gaming is a killer.
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kilfinnane | Oct 19, 2011, 08:32 AM EDT
eiriamach, when you are done ranting you might see that Mollie has raised an interesting issue. We all know the risks, both short-term and long-term, of young adult drinking. Perhaps it would be best if young people didn't drink at all, but they do. I thought Mollie's comparing of the drinking culture of young Irish to young American's was illuminating. On American college campuses the process of consumption is unimportant, to goal is to get drunk as quickly as possible, thus the prevalence of drinking games. It sounds like the young Irish have more mature/healthier habits. Good for Mollie to notice the difference and wonder aloud if young Americans could benefit from changing their ways. I found no "glorification of booze" in her article.
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eiriamach | Oct 19, 2011, 05:32 AM EDT
"Pre-gaming" is not punishment; it is illegal drinking in secret (beyond the oversight of bartenders and police) by college students who are 18, 19, or 20 years old-- not old enough to drink legally in the USA. The US legislature succeeded in persuading (really bribing with federal highway funds) the states to raise the drinking age because Mothers Against Drunk Driving presented horrific statistics in Congress, statistics that showed that under-aged drinkers were turning the nation's highways into bloody fields of slaughter, killing themselves and others and strewing highways with decapitated, dismembered, mutilated, and quite, quite dead bodies. And you think that drinking at age 20 makes you "responsible"? Wake up tomorrow morning and smell the coffee, kick the booze, and hit the books. I expect that when your maths teacher finds out that you don't know the difference between a quadratic equation and a drunk-driving mortality statistic, you'll be back home soon enough, looking for a dorm room to "pre-game" in. It takes no "sociological/ psychological/ cultural" research-- just Google the drunk-driving stats by age! You're kidding no one but yourself, and this glorification of booze is a disgrace to serious third-level women students. I'm embarrassed for you.
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joycean | Oct 18, 2011, 04:20 PM EDT
Hey Mollie! Need I point out that by American standards, YOUR under-age, since you said you were 20.Also, not all colleges allow drinking on campus, or under-age (21) drinking. I know Virginia state funded colleges and universities don't. So maybe college kids think they should be punished because drinking is illegal (bad).But my American Studies courses gave a different theory. This country was founded by Puritans who viewed drinking as evil, an attitude still around in the 20th Century, allowing for the passage of Prohibition.
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