Do Irish fathers outshine their American counterparts?
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 05:26 AM
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Since having been here in Ireland I have seen more fathers actually spending time with their children than I have for many years in the States. Having worked in the children’s department of a US chain bookstore (much like Eason’s here) I have had the displeasure of watching men and mothers alike ignore, neglect, talk-down-to, and disrespect the humanity of their own children in public more than I ever would have expected or cared to in a lifetime.
Being an employee, there was little I could do to intervene and it always filled me with contempt and bitterness for these precious little ones. Fathers would often leave their children alone in the children’s department to be “babysat” while they went and looked at the “grown-up books”, which often turned out to be VERY grown-up. Fathers on duty for the day would ignore the speech of their children and become exasperated when expected to play their part as a nurturer in the family unit.
Here in Ireland, I have had the profound pleasure of seeing fathers not only spend time with their children, but actually be mentally present and investing energy and care into that time. Hand in hand or on Daddy’s shoulders I have seen these pairs of child and father moving through markets, in parks, and walking on the streets.
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One particular father and daughter I have seen on several occasions. The first time at a museum discussing and carrying conversation together, another time exploring Cork City Culture Night hand-in-hand, dancing a waltz at the Ceili Mor together on another occasion, and once I saw the daughter ‘busking’ on Grand Parade with a penny whistle and daddy standing nearby.
I saw another charming father and his angel of a daughter walking near Paul Street shopping center singing songs together. It is a pleasure and a joy to see fathers engaging with their children as intelligent, growing, and valued human beings. These fathers aren’t just there as part of their duty, they are enjoying the company of their children and creating the ever important bond between father and child.
This is not to say I haven’t seen amazing displays of love and affection in the states or that I am ignorant to the fact that not all fathers in Ireland are responsible and kind. But, it has been a pleasant observation to see men at the height of their masculinity, acting as responsible and caring fathers. It is far more charming than any savvy pick-up line.
The commitment of a faithful, engaging, and actively present father is of much greater value to a society and the world as a whole than any amount of flashy cars, posh bachelor flats, and suave duds. And, so far, that has been my happy experience in Ireland. It gives me hope for the future of this crazy world, that these men are raising their children with love and confidence, who will in turn do so for their children.
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antoman | Oct 20, 2011, 07:57 PM EDT
@Joliejo- I'm going to let you in on a little secret. That inferiority complex you mentioned. Its why us Irish punch above our weight. And triumph.
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JOLIEJO | Oct 20, 2011, 03:53 PM EDT
jamie-M, you presented a good case, but don’t you know that the Irish are compelled to find out how they measure up against other people, Americans in particular. I have read articles rating Irish men against American men on everything from their dating technics, whose the best kissers, the most generous, who knows how to treats women the best and on and on in the Irish Central News. Oh and let’s not leave out how they compare in looks. It generally makes for fun reading, but if one didn’t know better all this would lead one to think that Irish men have inferiority complexes or a bad case of little man syndrome.
When we were in Ireland last spring we saw very few children so few in fact that we commented on it when we did. Perhaps the writer was in the wrong location to make an accurate judgment on fatherhood. All nationalities have their share of the good, the bad and the ugly.
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JOLIEJO | Oct 20, 2011, 03:24 PM EDT
jamie-M, you presented a good case, but don’t you know that the Irish are compelled to find out how they measure up against other people, Americans in particular. I have read articles rating Irish men against American men on everything from their dating technics, whose the best kissers, the most generous, who knows how to treats women the best and on and on in the Irish Central News. Oh and let’s not leave out how they compare in looks. It generally makes for fun reading, but if one didn’t know better all this would lead one to think that Irish men have inferiority complexes or a bad case of little man syndrome.
When we were in Ireland last spring we saw very few children so few in fact that we commented on it when we did. Perhaps the writer was in the wrong location to make an accurate judgment on fatherhood. All nationalities have their share of the good, the bad and the ugly.
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P.Nester | Oct 20, 2011, 01:56 PM EDT
Kudos to Gaelic Girl Alixa for her great article on Irish fathers. I've seen the exact same situation where fathers & mothers too just talk down to their kids. The kids will grow up with low self exteem and that will bring them problems dealing with adulthood. Go, Girl!
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Springfield9 | Oct 20, 2011, 01:50 PM EDT
Comparing "Fathers" isn't workable. Comparing "Homelife" is. My father passed away long ago. If he was ever accosted by one of these little, ignorant, self-esteem monsters" only God knows what would have happened.
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barrydub | Oct 20, 2011, 12:49 PM EDT
It's probably because they don't have jobs.
Seriously, observing parenting in a bookstore? Try a baseball game next time you're back in CA..
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eireog68 | Oct 20, 2011, 12:36 PM EDT
it takes two to tango, two to make a baby and a family to rase one well rounded child.
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Collette2 | Oct 20, 2011, 12:29 PM EDT
Any man who claims the child he as helped create irrespecive of the circumstancs, has my vote.
There are so many in the world today who have no idea to whom they belong, this disconnectedness has it's affect throughout life.
Just take the example for instance, as a Catholic, the numerous children of clergy conceived and left to the wiles of the community without exended families, depending of course, how far up the ladder the father is as a favourite son of the church where identity is more easily and vigorously concealed.
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antoman | Oct 20, 2011, 11:00 AM EDT
Alisa you can stay here if you want. You have the best of both worlds and there's airplanes now don't you know. So you could be back in time to California for dinner and back again to Ireland for breakfast. You are a beautiful woman and in my City Alisa. And that is really cool, reading about your exploits here in Cork. Thanks for coming over here to Cork. Its my City but while you are here, its yours. Have a great time Alisa.
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jamieLM | Oct 20, 2011, 10:49 AM EDT
@Alisa You're making judgments on the basis of a relatively small number of men that you've seen out in public. America is a huge country. I, too, have seen examples of very poor parenting, but I've also seen and KNOW many, many caring and involved dads, all of whom could hold the title of "Best Dad Ever." I applaud and admire all dads who are engaged with their kids. You haven't been in every home to see how AM. dads interact with their kids on a daily basis. Making judgments on the basis of a few is an insult to the many loving and engaged fathers across the U.S. You've written a very nice piece about Irish dads, but don't come to inaccurate and unfair comparisons and conclusions. You don't know every father in Ireland, nor do you know every father in America - or even what goes on behind closed doors. To be fair, one can find examples of good and not-so-good fathers in all countries.
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beaumax99 | Oct 20, 2011, 09:44 AM EDT
No other parents, I don't care what nationality they are, could beat my Irish American born parents.
They were the best and are terribly missed. GOD KEEP BLESSING MOM & DAD,
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