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Ground Zero mosque? Not my favorite idea, but this is NYC

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 at 05:27 PM

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[A follow-up piece to the article below was published on 10 August, called Coming around on the Muslim Cultural Center near Ground Zero.]


In New York, if you ask: Should we build a Muslim interpretation center near Ground Zero? you get two kinds of answers.

Bloomberg's "yes" is the kind you expect from a good judge. He reminds us that we have real estate laws in New York and you can not go discriminating against people that want to buy property. Similar principles apply to zoning, but there's more room to wiggle there. His answer is the official New York answer. I like it when society has principles you can count on.

Bloomberg made the Landmark Board's decision into a photo-op with the Statue of Liberty in the background. He wanted to make a point about religious freedom.

The mosque is not just a mosque, it's a multi-storied complex, that will interpret the events of 9/11. It seems more like an Islamic 9/11 Interpretation Center, than it does a house of worship being built for a community in the neighborhood. As a multi-purpose facility, it will become part of Ground Zero, and act like a museum with exhibits. As there were so many Muslim victims of 9/11, you would want their story to be present at Ground Zero with everyone else. With this new interpretation center (with mosque), Muslim victims of the attack will have an exceptional facility to tell their story.


Now ask the mayor another question. Ask him if we should build an Irish American Museum at Ground Zero?:

Here's where you get the second kind of answer.

The second kind is the one a lot of Irish American New Yorkers would give if asked whether they want to see a Muslim Museum at Ground Zero: no. Irish Americans are rightly sensitive about any perceived triumphalism by Muslims at Ground Zero in opening what would become a highly trafficked tourist attraction for the interpretation of these events.

This is not a Freedom of Religion argument. This is about shaping the Ground Zero zone. It's about what the city wants to zone for that area. There's already a mosque within walkng distance from Ground Zero. Building a mosque where there is no religious community demanding it, means the building is being built specifically with the 9/11 memorial in-mind. That's a zoning issue for a special space, that intends to do more than provide religious santuary. As such, it is appropriate for a zoning board to determine how such a facility would fit in with the vision for the Ground Zero area, as is normal in city planning.

It's better to keep the museums surrounding 9/11 about everybody in New York rather than specific victim groups. This is the basis of my initial feeling of objection to building an interpretation center there. It's not universal enough. It's inflammatory, not because of the terrorists, but because it gives one set of victims special recognition. Muslim died in the towers, as did many other groups.

Not all groups will have a center very near Ground Zero to present their story.

The British Garden of Remembrance was opened when the queen of England cut the ribbon last month, years ahead of the opening for the Ground Zero memorial. You have to expect this kind of premature mythology-grabbing from those who wear crowns of diamonds snatched from Hindu statutes. One group is exalted of all the victims.The British Garden, not the mosque, was the first step in what will become the politics of recognizing the loss of some, while forgetting others.

A Muslim interpretation center is an interesting idea, and will probably turn out splendidly, but it is bothersome that the Greek church destroyed on 9/11 will not be rebuilt, and that other groups won't have the resources available to the Muslim community or the British, to tell their story of that day.

This is about zoning the Ground Zero area properly, and it seems those decisions have been made.

I could make a good case for building an Irish American Museum at Ground Zero, and in the spirit of fairness, such an idea should be embraced as warmly as the Muslim Interpretation Center is being.

There were as many Irish American New Yorkers killed on 9/11 as other ethnic groups, and many of the Irish were killed running back up the towers to save others. But it feels wrong to say that. They wouldn't want to be singled out in especially. It's for everybody to grieve.

The most poignant reason for an Irish American museum in New York is the Firefighter response of men like Mychal Judge. Irish history in New York is wound up with the Fire Department. Less importantly, but still also heart-breaking to Irish New Yorkers--was the loss of a major chunk of our history on 9/11.

In the ground of downtown New York, they unearthed artefacts of the early city, and found early Irish slums and objects among the refuse. Precious bits of our ancestors' lives emerged including items that showed their wish to maintain "respectability" while living in squalor as Rebecca Yamin has written.

The artefacts were bound to become an exhibit on Irish New York, and Archaeology magazine did a story called Digging about it. The 9/11 attacks destroyed many of the relics and much of the documentation that catalogued these items. We've been left in some cases with no clue about what was lost.

When they found the Irish artefacts and other materials from the Five Points dig, they were stored in the basement of World Trade Center 6. When the WTC was destroyed, some of the objects to survive were excavated a second time, while rescue workers searched for the remains of friends and neighbors of all ethnic backgrounds.


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Right on target Sungold, Monsoonman, azwolfeagle, and BrendanP!
I never said it was a knife in the heart. I just think there are lots of victim groups from 9/11, Muslims among them. Singling out certain groups of victims, and not others, so close to Ground Zero, is disappointing to me, and opens up a politick downtown for competing monuments for each and every group of victims.
When I think of New York and the Statue of Liberty. I think of my grand parents. I think of Ireland. I do not want to destroy or decay a fundamental truth about how it began. Before I would ever agree or accept a terrorist building at ground zero? Well I would not. I agree with the gentlemen Brendon's statement. I would build an American Eagle Monument!! Instead of knife in the Eagles heart.
I think that American public opinion, in fact world opinion would be tolerant and understanding towards the muslim religion if muslims were forceful and vocal against the extremists in their midst. If the muslim people turned against the extremists in masse, there would be no jihadists plotting against us. The silence from the majority of muslims regarding the violence is deafening.
Just curious...how many Muslims died in the 9-11 attacks, not counting the hijackers? Were any of them rescue workers, who died trying to help victims escape? I'm having a hard time picturing whose stories this "Interpretive Center" is supposed to help us understand. Like the author said, if we are going to start building museums for every ethnic or religious group who died that day, an extension may have to be built out into the Hudson River to hold them all. And I believe that the Irish-American version would have to be the largest. I'm sorry, but I'm not getting a "Center for Understanding" vibe from this proposed mosque. It seems more to me like a "victory monument", for which the Muslims are known.
DennisQ, I hope you're not thinking that Muslims have a right to hate us because America hasn't solved all their problems for them, like the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. The people on the airplanes weren't American government officials. The deaths of all the people on 9-11 CAN'T EVER be justified because a group of radical Muslim terrorists were disgruntled about whatever. They should have spent their time, money, and energy working to solve problems within their own countries instead of blowing up a lot of innocent people. It's so much easier for some Muslims to blame America for all their problems than to do the work themselves to improve their situation. And, yes, some of the male Muslim headcases resent that American women have so much "freedom." I've read their comments and have seen them speak on TV about how American women dress so immodestly and how Am. women shouldn't be doing this or that. Even that Arab commentator on CNN has said there is a lot jealousy by Muslims towards Americans and they resent the freedoms Americans enjoy.
DennisQ: I understand your point and I agree and have said so many times. If I question the wisdom of zoning this Muslim Interpretation Center of the events of 9/11 slash mosque so close to Ground Zero, it's because I am questioning whether it's fair to specify any particular group of victims. That point would be confused as anti-Islamic I guess, but it's really about fairness for all victim groups, including the Muslims who were murdered that day. Every group would want an interpetation center down there. The Irish lost a museum exhibit and many firefighters and cops and office workers. They don't get special recognition. No one should. Just my feeling.
I would be interested in where the funding is coming from. My understanding is that they only have $18K for the project, my guess is the the rest of the money is coming from the Middle East.
Nobody on the Enola Gay was screaming God is great. What world do you live in.
The attacks on September 11th were political, not religious. They've been sold to us as though they were religious, but we have political differences with Arabs quite apart from our religious differences. Japan recognizes that dropping the atomic bomb on two of their cities was similarly political, even though the American crew were Christians. We really should get to a greater understanding of what happened on September 11th. We're grownups! The notion that Muslims hate us for our freedom is childish. We should have rejected that the day Bush advanced that as the reason for the attack. Would anybody besides myself care to speculate what the real motives were? Is there anything else that bugs the Arabs besides our "freedom"?
A mosque in the center of New York City. What an insult to the City that the Irish helped build and protect !!!
It is a beautiful cup though shattered and pieced together, again. A shrine, in itself to all those beleagured Irish who lived in such terrible conditions in NYC. Those Irish went to work and put their own character into the building of New York, and countless other cities, even as they re-built their own lives. Thanks for picturing it in your article, Brendan.
I think it's being called a mosque, when it should really be called An Islamic 9/11 Interpretation Center. The facilities are much more like a museum. Personally, I think that zone could use better museums, but it's not worth stigmatizing one group to say so.
I wish that those who are all up in arms about this did a little homework. The proposed site isn't even visible from Ground Zero.
Let the Muslim children of Satan build their satanic temple at Ground Zero and let the Irish children of Jesus the "Christ" turn the temple of Satan into a Temple for "Our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Son of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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