Pope harming families he claims he's saving - reflections on Vatican's New Year comments on gay people 'threatening world peace'
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Christmas is a time for good fellowship and compassion, so you might not have noticed what the Pope was up to.
At a time when most of us are encouraged to help our fellow man, Benedict XVI was instead informing the globe that gay people are 'threatening world peace.'
I'm not making this up. I really couldn't. I must have missed the 'destroy the World' memo.
Earlier last year the Vatican hired a former Fox News correspondent to helm their communications strategies. You can tell. There's more than a hint of 'the war on Christmas' GOP dark arts in their increasingly homophobic pronouncements. And I'm pretty certain this approach is making them about as popular as the GOP turned out to be in the last general election cycle.
Women, in particular, have come in for some harsh criticism from the church lately. Contraception and abortion issues have always been front burner issues, but to that we must now add the nuns.
America's nuns found themselves the subject of a Vatican ordered inquisition last year for spending far too much time helping the poor and not enough protesting outside of family planning clinics. Priorities, ladies.
Ireland, more than most places on earth, knows that the Catholic Church is floundering. But the Church itself, even after two decades of seemingly endless jaw dropping international scandals, seems to have no idea. They keep talking as though they possessed irreproachable moral authority. That's not the case.
Today the Pope warned British Prime Minister David Cameron that his plans to introduce same sex marriage equality this year will 'undermine the family.'
I have to ask which family he's talking about? How exactly does a gay persons marriage undermine their neighbors who are otherwise uninvolved? Do heterosexual families break up the moment gay people tie the knot? Are heterosexual marriages made less special or significant if gays enjoy equal rights under the law?
Today the pope warned there is 'a need to acknowledge and promote the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman in the face of attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different types of union.'
To which I say, knock yourselves out. Promote the heck out of 'the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman…' but don't also add the false equivalence that promoting it means you have to stand in the way of all others. It clearly doesn't follow. And I don't know 'radical' it really is for a man to marry another man. It happens all the time. It seems to make them very happy. The sun still rises every morning on schedule.
But this Pope clearly does not value the relationships that gay people forge together, often over decades, or why would he stand in their way? So I don't believe him when he asks us to love the sinner, but hate everything about them. That's just pretzel theology that repackages prejudice to make it look like compassion.
It's not compassion. It's the refusal to show compassion. We are talking about love, remember. It's important to remember that. The Pope usually doesn't.
We are also talking about families. The reason that the Pope's anti-gay attacks have really gone nowhere in Ireland is that, in a small island community, people can actually see that rather than 'undermining families' gay equality actually strengthens them. Because gay people come from families too it turns out, they're our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, uncles and aunts. And by wanting what's best for them we help them and ourselves.
The truth is each time the Pope and his bishops attack gay equality with their increasingly hostile rhetoric, they do spiritual violence to gays persons, they unintentionally rationalize the physical violence and discrimination gay people all too often experience, and they seriously harm the extended heterosexual families to which they belong.
If the Pope wants to strengthen families rather than tear them apart, if he wants to foster love rather than determine who is and who is not worthy of love's blessings, let 2013 be the year that the Church focuses its mission on helping rather than harming them.
At a time when most of us are encouraged to help our fellow man, Benedict XVI was instead informing the globe that gay people are 'threatening world peace.'
I'm not making this up. I really couldn't. I must have missed the 'destroy the World' memo.
Earlier last year the Vatican hired a former Fox News correspondent to helm their communications strategies. You can tell. There's more than a hint of 'the war on Christmas' GOP dark arts in their increasingly homophobic pronouncements. And I'm pretty certain this approach is making them about as popular as the GOP turned out to be in the last general election cycle.
Women, in particular, have come in for some harsh criticism from the church lately. Contraception and abortion issues have always been front burner issues, but to that we must now add the nuns.
America's nuns found themselves the subject of a Vatican ordered inquisition last year for spending far too much time helping the poor and not enough protesting outside of family planning clinics. Priorities, ladies.
Ireland, more than most places on earth, knows that the Catholic Church is floundering. But the Church itself, even after two decades of seemingly endless jaw dropping international scandals, seems to have no idea. They keep talking as though they possessed irreproachable moral authority. That's not the case.
Today the Pope warned British Prime Minister David Cameron that his plans to introduce same sex marriage equality this year will 'undermine the family.'
I have to ask which family he's talking about? How exactly does a gay persons marriage undermine their neighbors who are otherwise uninvolved? Do heterosexual families break up the moment gay people tie the knot? Are heterosexual marriages made less special or significant if gays enjoy equal rights under the law?
Today the pope warned there is 'a need to acknowledge and promote the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman in the face of attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different types of union.'
To which I say, knock yourselves out. Promote the heck out of 'the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman…' but don't also add the false equivalence that promoting it means you have to stand in the way of all others. It clearly doesn't follow. And I don't know 'radical' it really is for a man to marry another man. It happens all the time. It seems to make them very happy. The sun still rises every morning on schedule.
But this Pope clearly does not value the relationships that gay people forge together, often over decades, or why would he stand in their way? So I don't believe him when he asks us to love the sinner, but hate everything about them. That's just pretzel theology that repackages prejudice to make it look like compassion.
It's not compassion. It's the refusal to show compassion. We are talking about love, remember. It's important to remember that. The Pope usually doesn't.
We are also talking about families. The reason that the Pope's anti-gay attacks have really gone nowhere in Ireland is that, in a small island community, people can actually see that rather than 'undermining families' gay equality actually strengthens them. Because gay people come from families too it turns out, they're our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, uncles and aunts. And by wanting what's best for them we help them and ourselves.
The truth is each time the Pope and his bishops attack gay equality with their increasingly hostile rhetoric, they do spiritual violence to gays persons, they unintentionally rationalize the physical violence and discrimination gay people all too often experience, and they seriously harm the extended heterosexual families to which they belong.
If the Pope wants to strengthen families rather than tear them apart, if he wants to foster love rather than determine who is and who is not worthy of love's blessings, let 2013 be the year that the Church focuses its mission on helping rather than harming them.
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SCVMalcolm | Jan 19, 2013, 08:48 PM EST
Cahir, I respect how you reflect! We are NOT called to be Roman Catholics. We are called to be Christian, adjective meaning Christ-like, which the Rome is not!
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aloistmartin | Jan 19, 2013, 02:50 AM EST
Don`t Get Fooled Again
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Joe Glackin | Jan 18, 2013, 10:52 PM EST
Seems only certain comnments apply here .
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Smyrnian | Jan 03, 2013, 06:40 PM EST
This thread is getting mighty deep. Ease up folks.
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The Commentator | Jan 03, 2013, 03:25 PM EST
The anti comments by the papacy and the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy reflect their commitment to maintain the status quo as they see it, much to the detriment of the decent parishioners who are faithful to the church. The holier than thou hierarchy are very selective in what they speak of and pretend that they are without sin even though they condoned and promoted killing of others for financial gain. How they can speak publicly against people that have nothing to do with the Catholic Church is absurd. These charlatan christians need to keep their unwanted opinions to themselves or at least to the confines of their churches. It is time for the state to tax the churches who meddle in others affairs. That will cause problems for their main purpose, making more money so the hierarchy can live in luxury. The sooner these delusional zealots take a vow of silence the sooner we can get back to the basics of our faith and not be judged by their irrational words. Why can't they realize how much harm they are doing to the church?
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Gearoid4 | Jan 03, 2013, 02:11 PM EST
I know that polygamy was present in some areas of the world since ancient times, as was evidenced in Judaea, and surrounding territories. But this does not really alter the unchanging truth about marriage that it essentially consists of the union of one man and one women(more than one wife as in the case of Polygamy).
Marriage is certainly not perfect when a match is made on earth and anyone expecting a rosy scenario all the time will be disappointed. Marriage is always a work in progress which demands time and effort on the part of the couple involved. It is a worthwhile investment in terms of the growth of a couple's love and the development of their kids. Because reputable studies have shown that it is the best arrangement for the life prospects and longevity of both parents and kids as well as the Common Good of society.
You are wrong when you state "(also the pope's) of gender and sex roles as essentially complementary does not stand the test of natural science or relationships and belongs to a medieval religious view", as challenged by studies of the benefits of marriage show. I am aware of the damage that results from abused women or kids. But divorce is no panacea for troubles in marriage as it often exacerbates the suffering of the kids and results in an sharp fall in the income and even job prospects of the wives who go that route
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eiriamach | Jan 03, 2013, 01:46 PM EST
Gearoid, monogamy with partners' mutual choice of each other as spouses has not been the dominant form of marriage for 2000 years. It's wishful thinking to ignore the many cultures in various eras (and some still today) in which parents marry their children to the parents' choices of partners or in which parents have given their girl children in marriage to mature men who are, in effect, pedophiles. Polygamy, with its well studied negative effects on wives and male children, has also existed since ancient times, and the US Supreme Court ruling on polygamy has been in place for not much more than a century. Yes, human rights is a highly relevant moral category for evaluating marriage customs. Marriage is hardly "unique" when it has so often in history been determined by economics, i.e., socio-economic class considerations of families (including incestuous marriages to keep wealth from leaving the family), as well as by political alliances. There are many abuses of individual rights, especially the loss of rights by married women and the abuse of children, that your rosy perspective on marriage ignores, but history does not ignore them. Your view (also the pope's) of gender and sex roles as essentially complementary does not stand the test of natural science or relationships and belongs to a medieval religious view.
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Gearoid4 | Jan 03, 2013, 01:04 PM EST
@EphraimKibbey,
I could not agree with you more the love between a man and woman is much more than their reproductive parts. I was not trying to obscure this reality, but merely pointing out the observable fact that those physical endowments are there to express that love in a very mutual and loving way. Thus they are indicative of a natural order that transcends our understanding and matures our thinking if we let it.
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Gearoid4 | Jan 03, 2013, 01:00 PM EST
But equality when it comes up against something as fundamentally unique as marriage, Eiriamach, cannot compensate for a "right" than cannot in truth be given to any ooupling outside the union of a man and a woman. This is fundamental to the whole argument, as to use "rights" to do this, will change the essence of marriage so radically that it cannot be called that name anymore. Societies over 2000 years understood very well the concept of marriage and it has only been in the last 10 years or more that radical activists want to overthrow that accepted wisdom which has been tried and successfully tested. The Catholic understanding of Natural Law as God's Revelation through the lens of Faith and Reason is as relevant today as it was in the time of the High Middle Ages when Thomas Aquinas synthesized Greek thought with the Christian. perspective Remember that it was Pope Leo X11 who authored the great Encyclical "Rerum Novarum" in 1891 which beautifully articulated the rights of the worker with respect to his labour, pay and status and this was carried by such iconic Catholic activists as Dorothy Day in mid-twentieth century America. So do not distort the evolution of Catholic thinking with regards to world issues by stating that it is caught in some sort of medieval time-warp. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Gearoid4 | Jan 03, 2013, 12:58 PM EST
But equality when it comes up against something as fundamentally unique as marriage, Eiriamach, cannot compensate for a "right" than cannot in truth be given to any ooupling outside the union of a man and a woman. This is fundamental to the whole argument, as to use "rights" to do this, will change the essence of marriage so radically that it cannot be called that name anymore. Societies over 2000 years understood very well the concept of marriage and it has only been in the last 10 years or more that radical activists want to overthrow that accepted wisdom which has been tried and successfully tested.
The Catholic understanding of Natural Law as God's Revelation through the lens of Faith and Reason is as relevant today as it was in the time of the High Middle Ages when Thomas Aquinas synthesized Greek thought with the Christian.
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Remember that it was Pope Leo X11 who authored the great Encyclical "Rerum Novarum" in 1891 which beautifully articulated the rights of the worker in terms of rights with respect to his labour, pay and rights and this was carried by such iconic Catholic activists as Dorothy Day in mid-twentieth century America. So do not distort the evolution of Catholic thinking with regards to world issues by stating that it is caught in some sort of medieval time-warp. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Smyrnian | Jan 03, 2013, 10:04 AM EST
Bock - correct. It's the selectivity I am pointing out.
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olovely | Jan 03, 2013, 08:19 AM EST
In 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged. That was just yesterday in Vatican time. In other words, so-called 'Natural Law' has always meant whatever it is convenient to make it mean.
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Bocktherobber | Jan 03, 2013, 07:30 AM EST
Smyrnian -- The Catholic church itself relies on things said by popes 1500 years ago. May not the rest of us follow their example?
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eiriamach | Jan 02, 2013, 11:43 PM EST
Enslavement was once a form of punishment inflicted by the pope on disobedient Christians. Most Catholic theologians have believed some forms of slavery compatible with natural law. Thirteenth century canon law listed lawful categories of slaves. By the 15th century, papal encyclicals forbade slavery, but only of other Christians, not indigenous people in America, Africa, or Muslim areas. After Columbus' 1493 voyage, Pope Alexander VI awarded the king and queen of Spain the "right" to "reduce" the inhabitants of the Americas to "perpetual slavery" and granted the same "right" to Portugal over West Africa. Pope Innocent received 100 slaves in 1488 and re-distributed them as gifts to clergy and wealthy laity. Jesuits owned hundreds of slaves in pre-civil war America. You can search through centuries of papal writings without finding an unequivocal condemnation of slavery before the the end of the 19th century. Considering the fact that the USA did not abolish slavery completely until December 1865 (13th Amendment to Constitution), a Vatican document from 1866 seems rather recent!
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