Pope harming families he claims he's saving - reflections on Vatican's New Year comments on gay people 'threatening world peace'
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Christmas is a time for good fellowship and compassion, so you might not have noticed what the Pope was up to.
At a time when most of us are encouraged to help our fellow man, Benedict XVI was instead informing the globe that gay people are 'threatening world peace.'
I'm not making this up. I really couldn't. I must have missed the 'destroy the World' memo.
Earlier last year the Vatican hired a former Fox News correspondent to helm their communications strategies. You can tell. There's more than a hint of 'the war on Christmas' GOP dark arts in their increasingly homophobic pronouncements. And I'm pretty certain this approach is making them about as popular as the GOP turned out to be in the last general election cycle.
Women, in particular, have come in for some harsh criticism from the church lately. Contraception and abortion issues have always been front burner issues, but to that we must now add the nuns.
America's nuns found themselves the subject of a Vatican ordered inquisition last year for spending far too much time helping the poor and not enough protesting outside of family planning clinics. Priorities, ladies.
Ireland, more than most places on earth, knows that the Catholic Church is floundering. But the Church itself, even after two decades of seemingly endless jaw dropping international scandals, seems to have no idea. They keep talking as though they possessed irreproachable moral authority. That's not the case.
Today the Pope warned British Prime Minister David Cameron that his plans to introduce same sex marriage equality this year will 'undermine the family.'
I have to ask which family he's talking about? How exactly does a gay persons marriage undermine their neighbors who are otherwise uninvolved? Do heterosexual families break up the moment gay people tie the knot? Are heterosexual marriages made less special or significant if gays enjoy equal rights under the law?
Today the pope warned there is 'a need to acknowledge and promote the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman in the face of attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different types of union.'
To which I say, knock yourselves out. Promote the heck out of 'the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman…' but don't also add the false equivalence that promoting it means you have to stand in the way of all others. It clearly doesn't follow. And I don't know 'radical' it really is for a man to marry another man. It happens all the time. It seems to make them very happy. The sun still rises every morning on schedule.
But this Pope clearly does not value the relationships that gay people forge together, often over decades, or why would he stand in their way? So I don't believe him when he asks us to love the sinner, but hate everything about them. That's just pretzel theology that repackages prejudice to make it look like compassion.
It's not compassion. It's the refusal to show compassion. We are talking about love, remember. It's important to remember that. The Pope usually doesn't.
We are also talking about families. The reason that the Pope's anti-gay attacks have really gone nowhere in Ireland is that, in a small island community, people can actually see that rather than 'undermining families' gay equality actually strengthens them. Because gay people come from families too it turns out, they're our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, uncles and aunts. And by wanting what's best for them we help them and ourselves.
The truth is each time the Pope and his bishops attack gay equality with their increasingly hostile rhetoric, they do spiritual violence to gays persons, they unintentionally rationalize the physical violence and discrimination gay people all too often experience, and they seriously harm the extended heterosexual families to which they belong.
If the Pope wants to strengthen families rather than tear them apart, if he wants to foster love rather than determine who is and who is not worthy of love's blessings, let 2013 be the year that the Church focuses its mission on helping rather than harming them.
At a time when most of us are encouraged to help our fellow man, Benedict XVI was instead informing the globe that gay people are 'threatening world peace.'
I'm not making this up. I really couldn't. I must have missed the 'destroy the World' memo.
Earlier last year the Vatican hired a former Fox News correspondent to helm their communications strategies. You can tell. There's more than a hint of 'the war on Christmas' GOP dark arts in their increasingly homophobic pronouncements. And I'm pretty certain this approach is making them about as popular as the GOP turned out to be in the last general election cycle.
Women, in particular, have come in for some harsh criticism from the church lately. Contraception and abortion issues have always been front burner issues, but to that we must now add the nuns.
America's nuns found themselves the subject of a Vatican ordered inquisition last year for spending far too much time helping the poor and not enough protesting outside of family planning clinics. Priorities, ladies.
Ireland, more than most places on earth, knows that the Catholic Church is floundering. But the Church itself, even after two decades of seemingly endless jaw dropping international scandals, seems to have no idea. They keep talking as though they possessed irreproachable moral authority. That's not the case.
Today the Pope warned British Prime Minister David Cameron that his plans to introduce same sex marriage equality this year will 'undermine the family.'
I have to ask which family he's talking about? How exactly does a gay persons marriage undermine their neighbors who are otherwise uninvolved? Do heterosexual families break up the moment gay people tie the knot? Are heterosexual marriages made less special or significant if gays enjoy equal rights under the law?
Today the pope warned there is 'a need to acknowledge and promote the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman in the face of attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different types of union.'
To which I say, knock yourselves out. Promote the heck out of 'the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman…' but don't also add the false equivalence that promoting it means you have to stand in the way of all others. It clearly doesn't follow. And I don't know 'radical' it really is for a man to marry another man. It happens all the time. It seems to make them very happy. The sun still rises every morning on schedule.
But this Pope clearly does not value the relationships that gay people forge together, often over decades, or why would he stand in their way? So I don't believe him when he asks us to love the sinner, but hate everything about them. That's just pretzel theology that repackages prejudice to make it look like compassion.
It's not compassion. It's the refusal to show compassion. We are talking about love, remember. It's important to remember that. The Pope usually doesn't.
We are also talking about families. The reason that the Pope's anti-gay attacks have really gone nowhere in Ireland is that, in a small island community, people can actually see that rather than 'undermining families' gay equality actually strengthens them. Because gay people come from families too it turns out, they're our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, uncles and aunts. And by wanting what's best for them we help them and ourselves.
The truth is each time the Pope and his bishops attack gay equality with their increasingly hostile rhetoric, they do spiritual violence to gays persons, they unintentionally rationalize the physical violence and discrimination gay people all too often experience, and they seriously harm the extended heterosexual families to which they belong.
If the Pope wants to strengthen families rather than tear them apart, if he wants to foster love rather than determine who is and who is not worthy of love's blessings, let 2013 be the year that the Church focuses its mission on helping rather than harming them.
68 comments
lokionline | Jan 02, 2013, 12:25 PM EST
I see eiriamach has beaten me to the obvious and as usual has offered a well reasoned response to PiperMac52 and his "Natural Law" argument. I would like to add that in my many years of studying "nature" it has become blindingly obvious to me and to most folks who study nature that there is no such thing as a "natural law" about marriage. In "Nature" there is every variant you can think of and many you likely cannot, which show that what matters in Nature is WHAT WORKS not some arbitrary set of rules. So this argument that is constantly trotted out about the "natural law" as defined by the RC is contradicted by nature itself. It is simply a nonsense argument.
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eiriamach | Jan 02, 2013, 12:00 PM EST
PiperMac52, the "law of nature"-- you cite gravity, for example-- has nothing to do with "natural law." Natural law comprises moral principles known and revered since ancient times and used through the ages as guides by those who write human laws. As ethics, it takes an objective, in no way relative, view of morality. But using marriage law to discriminate against any group, whether a racial group, gender group, sexual orientation group, religious group, or whatever group, IS a subversion of natural law because it denies the equal right of all to enjoy the benefits of our social customs and institutions. So, in contradiction to Gearoid, marriage IS a matter of basic human rights. Unless you want to end the institution of marriage altogether, its benefits must be available equally to everyone. And we know that marriage has contributed to social stability. For this reason, your opposition to same-sex marriage not only lacks objective moral foundation, but also works to destroy social unity. It's anti-social in the extreme.
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AndrewSB49 | Jan 02, 2013, 10:38 AM EST
Could Ratzinger come clean on the actions he took when he received letters from Irish parents [in the Ferns diocese] whose children were being raped by his clergy?
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stanchaz | Jan 02, 2013, 12:45 AM EST
it’s about time ...it’s WAY past time
...for people to take control of their own destiny, and their own lives.
There are so many priests, preachers, and assorted shamans out there --"men of the cloth"-
who have the unmitigated gall, the sheer arrogance,
of claiming to speak for God, and with God.
And we ...we must listen, and follow, and obey. Or so they say. They claim a direct pipeline to the Almighty!
God did this, God told me. God loves that. God hates this. God wants this. Oh, and drop another coin in the basket before you leave please ...as God demands.
It's gotten so bad that now they think ....thay they ARE God. I say to them all:
Go back to whatever burrow you came from,
you charlatans, and leave us -and our country- alone.
For we're a free and proud people, , and will remain so
- without- your shameful meddling in both our private lives, and our public institutions.
For Religion is a personal matter -
NOT something to be FORCED on others!
Don't just accept something because it comes from
a religious "voice of authority".
For ultimately YOU are responsible for your life,
and how you try to live it.
That’s why you have freedom of choice and a conscience: to choose, NOT just to blindly follow.....
We need to start acting like Men and Women...not sheep.
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PiperMac52 | Jan 01, 2013, 10:43 PM EST
All laws are an extension of natural/God's law. As usual you article lacks proper context and displays your relativist mind set. The basis of civilization is the family as it has been since the dawn of mankind. That necessarily consists of a man and a woman joined together as one in order to procreate. Every religion in it's orthodox(precorrupted)state recognizes this truth. Scripture corroborates and reinforces it and Christ deemed it a sacred trust(sacrament). To subvert natural law, say gravity for example, will always have dire consequences. By legitimizing homosexual relationships as normal or alternative will create long term consequences far beyond anyone's anticipation.
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hollabackgurl | Jan 01, 2013, 10:27 PM EST
There is no scientific measurement that's known as 'natural law.' Law has been created to protect us from states of nature. Religion is not a basis for a system of government or law.
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kilgara | Jan 01, 2013, 09:48 PM EST
"Gay " life has always been against the natural law.We don't need the Pope or anyone else to tell us that.This clown O'dohertys' attempts to legitimize what he knows deep down inside is an abomination and grievously sinful is laughable.The wisdom of countless ages cannot be changed just because a very small minority, with the aid of a biased media, want it to be.
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misneac | Jan 01, 2013, 08:41 PM EST
The usual pro gay "marriage " crap ! Also distotion of what the Pope actually said . Why dont you for a change challenge Islam about what the Koran teaches on gay "marriage " ? No need to ansmer why ! Your comment about the Catholic Church "floundering " in Ireland is totally inacccurate .I was at Mass last night attended by at least 600 people .As a result of the bigoted media assault by people like you the Catholic ( by the way there are more churches in Ireland other than Catholic ) Church is emerging stronger than ever as a source of proper civic discipline and defender of people in need !!!
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EphraimKibbey | Jan 01, 2013, 05:32 PM EST
I seem to detect a slight variance between the teachings of Jesus Christ and the teachings of Pope Ratzinger. Our Lord taught us to love our neighbor and even our enemies and to treat them just as we would wish to be treated. Ratzinger's lesson is one that is even older than the teachings of Christ and arrises out of the tribal mentality of early humans. It comes out of the id in the form of fear of the "other," the unknown. It has manifest itself many times and remains as a weight on humanity. He teaches us to fear gay marriage as a threat to straight marriage when a rational look at the situation proves that such fear is groundless. To the younger generation that has grown up with friends of different races, religions, and sexual orientation, the lesson seems absurd. They have gay friends in committed relationships and know that it has, if any thing, a positive effect on their own relationships. Because blacks, protestant and gay people are not the unknown to them, they do not fear them the way the monolithic RCC heirarchy does. They even fear that most mysterious OTHER, women. Women ARE a powerful force so maybe there Ratzinger should have a rational fear.
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olovely | Jan 01, 2013, 04:44 PM EST
Gearoid4, have your partners conceived every time you have copulated with them? If not then your a bad Catholic and your marriage is a sinful sham.
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hollabackgurl | Jan 01, 2013, 04:41 PM EST
Sorry you 'Catholics' like Marint: you can not persuade thinking heterosexual people that gays represent a threat to their marriages or sexuality. Unless and until they invade your home and force you to watch RuPauls Drag Race whilst they make you explore your own gay potential I don't think you have many takers there, lady. I doubt anyone has volunteered to change your reality in a very long time. Sorry if that irks you, but you know I'm right.
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Gearoid4 | Jan 01, 2013, 04:27 PM EST
Marriage cannot be redefined as a matter of "rights" as there is no discrimination in recognizing that marriage in it's true essence consists of the union between a woman and a man which is open to procreation. It reflects the natural order in terms of mutual compatibility and reproductive capacity and this reality cannot be sidestepped. So the pope was merely reflecting these realities.
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mairint | Jan 01, 2013, 04:09 PM EST
Sorry you 'gay' guys. You will not succeed in reordering human sexuality to your own liking. We are Men and Women and each of us has what we were designed for and pretending parts of your bodies are for something else etc. etc. does not change reality. The Pope is right even it that irks you. Happy New Year!
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mamaginnty | Jan 01, 2013, 03:42 PM EST
As a young women in Ireland it was my duty to have children, the more the better. This was the bishop, priest and Rome's thinking. We were looked down on as women and it still goes on. Now that gay's are out in the open, and abortions are in the news to a new generation. I truly believe that Rome is getting worried that less and less little catholic babies will be born. During the 60s/70s women had to listen to a priest thumping the pulpit, very anry and shouting we were sinners and would be excomunicated if found we were agreeing to contraceptives being allowed into the country. We had families who had a gay teenager and loved them, being treated like dirt by the church. Rome had to much control over Ireland and other poorer countries, but I am glad they have been found out for what they really are. Not the church but the actual men running it are the evil ones and powered by greed. Cahir is saying exactly what a lot of people are thinking.
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