May 21 Doomsday leader: blame the gays
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That's right, God doesn't like 'them.' So, after 6,000 years, or 4.5 billion years, He's about to enact the Final Solution.
Starting tomorrow He's going to torture almost every man, woman and child on the planet for five months, before He eventually kills us all. Who knew He hated those reruns of Will and Grace that much?
Camping's claims are contemptible, of course, and toxic bigotry too, but every now and then it's instructive to have a good long look at the kind of people who loudly profess their Christian love whilst simultaneously blackguarding just about everyone in the nation.
Why is it, I wonder, that we continually find that elderly white men, the people least likely to be affected by gay marriage or abortion questions, are always the group most insuperably opposed to them? What's that about?
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Today, for the first time in Gallup's tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages.
That's a remarkable shift. This year's nine-point increase in support for same-sex marriage is the largest ever year-to-year shift yet measured over this time period by the polling organization.
No wonder Camping and his disgusted followers are getting ready for the next world. Increasingly, they can't bear the realities of this one.
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eiriamach | May 23, 2011, 01:23 PM EDT
Correction, that internet address should be Sonntags: just use a search engine to find "Die Gläubigen fordern Veränderungen" and a Google or other translator if needed.
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eiriamach | May 23, 2011, 01:10 PM EDT
Gearoid4, "Quo tendimus?" Has the Church learned so little from the ecclesiastical divisions of the past five centuries that it would deepen them? A Church that would excommunicate Martin Luther a second time, knowing the consequences of that schism, is a Church that has replaced Christ's admonition to be ever reforming and unifying Christianity with assertions of orthodoxy and its own authority. It's a Church that has forgotten, or suppressed, the lessons of the encyclical "ut unum sint" about dialogue and the workings of the Spirit in the royal priesthood of all the faithful. It's a church that, ironically, may survive just long enough to witness the fulfillment of the reforms of Vatican II--in the Anglican Communion, which is reforming itself to achieve inclusiveness! It's not only German youth who are calling for reform; it's the 73% of the population that supports reform (ZDF poll reported on Sponntags.zdf.de). Among German Catholics, 80% favor reform, including 61% of those who are weekly churchgoers. (In the US, 74% of Catholics support the right of homosexuals either to form civil unions or to marry.) While I wouldn't argue that we should decide what's right by taking a vote, it's clear that continuing a tradition against reason, a tradition that does harm not only to individuals but to Christian unity, suggests persistence in error rather than conformity with truth. At a time when the moral authority of RCC churchmen is at its lowest ebb since Luther, it's a tragic mistake.
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Gearoid4 | May 22, 2011, 12:18 PM EDT
typo error: I mean't 'rituals surrounding the marriage act' and not 'rituals surrounded the marriage acts'. Mea culpa.
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Gearoid4 | May 22, 2011, 11:49 AM EDT
Eiriamach, One of the purposes of marriages is undoubtedly procreation. This has been implicit in many of the rituals surrounded the marriage acts such as fertility rites in ceremonies which are not even Christian in different global societies. Of course mutual love is not restricted to husband and wife and can be reciprocated in a non-sexual sense b between mother and son, father and daughter and brother and sister, etc. But marriage is the sealing of the unique bond between a man and a woman. As for the demands of the federation of catholic youth, they are along the same lines of the recent requests by German theologians to loosen up catholic moral teachings and make them more amenable to the modern world. This is truly in the spirit of Luther. Protestant bodies such as the anglicans and lutherans have adapted to the same demands but they are actually in decline across the western world.
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eiriamach | May 21, 2011, 01:58 PM EDT
Related news from Germany: Yesterday, Bund der Katholischen Jugend, the Federation of Catholic Youth, nailed 95 thesis to the door of the Altenberg Cathedral. The theses call for the ordination of women, blessing of same-sex relationships, "respect for life choices," "a greater questioning of power structures in the church," and "a reassessment of the Church's sexual morality." The group, which is holding an annual meeting in Altenberg through Sunday, comprises 660,000 young Germans in various organizations. They have called for dialogue with the German bishops. My German is rusty, but I used a translator plug-in to read the story at bdkj.posterous.com. In nailing their theses to the door, the youth have made a symbolic gesture. In public, they've attempted to launch a dialogue, as Luther intended when he nailed his 95 theses to the door of the Wittenburg Schlosskirche in 1517. Their gesture recalls some words of Luther's that I can imagine still echoing from his tomb in the Schlosskirche: "When I die, I want to be a ghost.... So I can continue to pester the bishops, priests and godless monks until they have more trouble with a dead Luther than they could have had with a thousand living ones." Has the Church learned how to deal with conscientious challenge since the 16th century by means other than censorship and discipline?
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eiriamach | May 21, 2011, 01:19 PM EDT
The natural law, Gearoid4, requires that everyone have equal treatment under civil law, and that the benefits of civil society be equally available to all and its burdens equally distributed to all. Natural justice requires that human law never be an instrument of demeaning or disadvantaging any group. This means not excluding by sexual or gender categories (nor by race, politics, national origin, religion, etc.). As for "complementariness," use whatever criteria you like for selecting a mate, but I've known women who are just as "complementary" to me as men. The logic of your definition requires that you forbid marriage to heterosexual couples who cannot procreate and that you declare hetero marriages ended once children are grown up and independent. Marriage is not defined by procreation. Your second criterion, "mutual love," exists between all sorts of people, and some have no desire to mate with each other. I think of monks or nuns living in communities and committed to both mutual love and celibacy. You should simply face the fact that marriage, and hence "family," is about eros and enduring partnerships for a multitude of purposes: sex, friends, companionship, finances, child rearing, and spiritual, intellectual, and personal growth. And no doubt we, the human family, will invent more reasons to marry as time goes by.
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Gearoid4 | May 21, 2011, 12:06 PM EDT
As you rightly point out, eiriamach, some traditions are good and others are bad. The latter should be dispensed with as a matter of course. This has happened throughout history, The abolition of slavery in the 19th century is a prime example of this but marriage does not fit this category. Marriage is not an absolute right for everyone. It cements the 'complementariness' as I've said earlier between a man and a woman. It respects the natural law which is engraved in each other's heart. It has two fundamental objectives 1) unify a man and a woman in mutual love 2) procreate a family. A same-sex couple can of course exhibit their love but cannot accomplish the latter. It is not a matter of 'a closed mind' but a realization of God's natural order.
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simplesandy | May 21, 2011, 11:41 AM EDT
some people should never turn on their computers or get behind a mic.
only God knows the time and day.
for everyone else
always be prepared..God Bless
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eiriamach | May 21, 2011, 09:23 AM EDT
Among the fallacies of reasoning, "we've always done it this way" is probably the most foolish and harmful. The US would still be a society of slave owners and African slaves if we thought this way. Children would be working in factories from their pre-teen years, and women would not be able to vote or earn the same salary as men, etc., etc. In fact, "tradition" is not a reason at all for continuing any exclusionary practice. It is a way of saying "I refuse even to discuss the possibility of change." This refusal is the hallmark of a closed mind. Yes, "history, religion and anthropology" have "weight," often dead weight-- the weight of a roadblock to progress.
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Rebelforce | May 21, 2011, 08:56 AM EDT
It's sad that these seriously misguided Protestant Bible "scholars" really believe they know what God is going to do. They twist and pervert the teachings of Jesus Christ into something totally unrecognizable that promotes hatred and war rather than love and peace. In a few hours Harold Camping is going to look as silly as Linus sitting in the pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin to appear. But rest assured these self-styled "Christians" will continue to use the Bible to promote ignorance and homophobia among the simple-minded and gullible.
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Gearoid4 | May 20, 2011, 10:37 PM EDT
Marriage is what it is. It has it's foundations in the union of one man with one woman in such ancient civilizations as Rome or Greece which predated Christianity. The latter solemnized matrimony into a sacramental bond which reflected the love of Christ for His Church. The procreational nature of marriage is celebrated across global societies with fertility rituals. So it would be foolish to dismiss the weight of history, religion and anthropology which has shaped our understanding of marriage for thousands of years. A radical reconfiguration of this like same-sex marriage would be changing it something which it is not.
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olovely | May 20, 2011, 09:44 PM EDT
Gays aren't going to burst into your home and redesign your awful taste; nor are they going to burst into your marriage and force you to believe something you don't. It's a crock of you-know-what to claim they're redefining your marriage - only YOU can do that. You'll have to come up with a better reason than longstanding tradition or widespread dislike. And you can't.
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Gearoid4 | May 20, 2011, 08:35 PM EDT
Well Cahir, opinion polls will not change the historical reality that marriage has been viewed commonly across different global cultures as being between one man and one woman for 2 millennia. To believe in such is not a sign of bigotry but a deeply-held conviction by many that marriage seals the mutual love between a man and a woman in their natural complementariness and is open to procreation. Also abortion is an abominable act on the most defenseless of humans.i.e the growing child in the womb. To stereotype those who are pro traditional-marriage and anti-abortion as mostly white, elderly men would be laughable if it was not so ridiculous. There is a substantial youth involvement in the anti-abortion movement in the U.S and Europe. Harold Camping is from the wilder evangelical shores of the U.S evangelical movement and his rantings against gay people are risible.
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seanomelbourne | May 20, 2011, 07:31 PM EDT
It's 9.27am 21st of may 2011 in Melbourne. 14degrees centigrade a slight breeze and all is well here in Gods country. Camping should join the tea party they wouldn't notice another nut job in it's ranks.
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