Leave in silence - what Ireland expects you to do
By: Cahir O'Doherty | Published Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 2:31 PM | Updated Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 2:31 PM
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Here's how it works in Ireland. If you have basic competency and can sit upright at a desk without falling over you could have a lifelong career in government or the civil service, say.
But you’ll need contacts. If you know someone who knows someone, you’ll go far.
It’s the only way you’ll go far, in fact. In Ireland, contacts are king. Talent is almost always surplus to requirements.
There’s a good reason for this. Talented people have a way of joining a group of perfectly contented people and inspiring them to create positive opportunity and change. That’s what makes talented people so irritating.
We just don’t like change in Ireland. Any kind of change, political, social, religious, philosophical or scientific.
In fact, we dislike change so much we were the last nation in Europe to join the Industrial Revolution and the modern age. Even then we took our time.
For most of the 20th century Eamon de Valera’s fondest wish for us was to return us back to the 15th. You know, back before all that bother with Queen Elizabeth and the Planters.
Read more on the immigration issue here Back before things got complicated. Back to when maidens danced at the crossroads and we were poor but happy.
He didn’t succeed. It was enough he tried.
If sentimentality and hogwash are the twin poles of Irish political life, and they are, then basic practicality is the third rail that you must never ever touch.
Practicality implies change. Change is unpredictable.
It’s not because we’re stupid. We’re among the most sophisticated people on the planet.
It’s not because we’re lazy. Irish people have a work ethic that surpasses many Europeans.
It’s not because we’re misguided. We know nonsense when we see it.
It’s because for centuries we have been forced to occupy the passenger seat as a much more powerful nation or institution drove our national car.
It took us centuries to drive out the empire that put our ancestors to the sword, that purloined our land, that made us the tenants in our own nation and all but eradicated our language.
And what did we do when they were gone? We reflexively wrapped ourselves up in another empire.
We exchanged royalty for papacy. The horse changed riders but the lash, as Yeats wrote, went on.
For centuries we watched foreigners in fabulous crowns and jewels and then crosiers and cassocks write our story and tell our story and shape our story.
In fact we waited so long to tell our story ourselves that now that the time has come -- and the time has come -- we’re dumbstruck.
Read more: Barack Obama to meet unions and immigration lobbyists in support of his reform plans How else to explain the curious resignation and silence that is the hallmark of Irish national life?
How else to explain the silence over what befell our neighbors during the Famine, the silence over who did what during the Civil War, the silence over who inherited and who got shafted, and the silence now over the tens of thousands forced to emigrate -- to pack up all their hopes and dreams in an stuffed suitcase -- and leave possibly never to return?
We’re dumbstruck when we should be roaring. Because Ireland is in a crisis like never before.
It’s hemorrhaging a new generation as its citizens are forced to foot insurmountable banking bills they did not run up, while the hopes and dreams of our emigrants are lost to the airports and the ferry docks.
Our political class has always expected you to leave in silence because by God, if you’re honest, you always did. Maybe you were glad to go too, after one too many nights spent looking into shop windows at all the things you couldn’t afford and would never.
But you didn’t expect to miss the other things quite so much, like the craic and your old pals and the view from the top of the hill head and the local lough, eh? That was an unexpected and sore old hoke, wasn’t it?
Eamon de Valera once thought that if you stayed at home you’d probably be happy enough with the All-Ireland and the Premier League and your wee pint on a Friday. Like the dutiful and comely little drones you are. He knew that real revolution, politically or socially, wasn’t Ireland’s style.
After all, even the 1916 Rising had the seeds of its own ineffectiveness seemingly written into the plan. Because in Ireland we habitually prefer gestures and symbolism to strategy and fact.
There’s much more wiggle room when things are various. There's more cover, too. It’s how we roll.
But somehow along the way we’ve somehow become the caretakers of our own destiny, not the authors of it.
We have allowed our political class and our out of touch establishment to become more like museum guards than political leaders. Just as in a museum, they know how to silence us when we get too rowdy.
But it’s becoming increasingly apparent they no longer know how to make change.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.hollabackgurl | Apr 23, 2013, 07:08 PM EDT
This article is brilliant. It's like a scene from a Tom Muprhy play.
Smyrnian | Feb 19, 2013, 10:00 AM EST
Stevenstar - So you are Irish. So am I. What's the big deal?
STEVENSTAR | Feb 18, 2013, 06:16 PM EST
OH WHAT A 'NEGATIVE; ARTICLE... BUT WHAT ELSE WOULD I EXPECT FROM THIS RAG.. U EVEN READ TO READ THE COMMENTS FORM ITS READERS ALL NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE...IM IRISH I WAS BORN HERE I LIVE HERE AND HOLD AN IRISH PASSORT& SPEAK WITH AN IRISH ACCENT AND MY GREAT AUNTY IRENE DIDN'T MOVE TO BOSTON BACK 147 YEARS AGO :) (I.E) IM REAL IRISH ... PLEASE WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO OPENED BUSINESSES OR WENT BACK AND DID FURTHER DEGREE COURSES IN IRELAND.. THEY DIDNT ALL LEAVE.. STOP BEEN SO NEGATIVE CAHIR DOHERTY IF YOU SPREAD 'NEGATIVITY' THATS ALL U GET BACK!!
eiriamach | Feb 13, 2013, 08:20 AM EST
curtisjohnson, the wealth of the USA was built on the backs of 19th century slaves (and immigrants). New York City would not have become the port of export of the nation's agricultural wealth without slavery in the South. What is the point of blaming the British for the evil of slavery in America when the ex-colonists greedily continued and expanded the barbarous institution after the British left? Do you suffer from the imperialist's or racist's delusion that the Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch slave masters were beneficent Christians who improved the lives of those they enslaved? Can the fact that the British were slave traders exonerate the U.S. slave owners or the millions of American Christians who turned a blind eye to the institution or the millions who have benefited from it, right down to the present? Can it comfort the millions who have lived with the ignominious heritage of slavery in poverty and segregation? What IS your point except to scapegoat and incite anti-British feeling with a gross over-simplification of American history?
curtisjohnson | Feb 12, 2013, 10:37 PM EST
@eiriamach “The US inherited the institution of slavery from a whole motley crew of Europeans and dallied with it for a century after independence” Completely false - the Dutch example you site are minor examples in the Northeast US where slavery was relatively rare. The Spanish never instituted slavery on an institutional level in North America. The institution was copied and inherited from barbarous british slavery in the Caribbean.
Smyrnian | Feb 12, 2013, 09:09 PM EST
Anglophile - up the UVF? Up the as- of the UVF.
anglo-norman | Feb 12, 2013, 02:32 PM EST
We the Peace-loving people of Ireland-Up the Ra,Up the UVF...
RobinForester | Feb 12, 2013, 10:03 AM EST
Further to my last post, here's some slogans for Ireland, simple ideas based on the US custom that every state or city should have it's own slogan. Dublin,The Heart of Ireland. Dublin, the Big Potato. Ireland 2014 For Pride, Purpose and Prosperity. Ireland, The Land of Welcomes. Ireland, The Green Capital of the World. Ireland, The Birthplace of Friendship and finally a fun slogan: Ireland, We Supplied Kentucky with it's Bluegrass.
RobinForester | Feb 12, 2013, 06:15 AM EST
The running theme in many posts are 'how hard working the Irish are', could I point out that this is NOT a good recommendation for Ireland or them and the worlds greatest inventions, writings and ideas came from the lazy sods who sat at home and schemed and dreamed and wrote and dare I say it even drunk to excess. The job market is saturated with hod carriers, and it needs to be admitted that today young people do not want manual work, they want professions which call for an high degree of knowledge about modern world products and their making. Ireland needs business parks and to advertise itself more as a suitable base for foreign industry to go there, to prosper there. Ireland needs a new 'sales slogan' so write one for it and post it here.
RobinForester | Feb 12, 2013, 06:14 AM EST
The running theme in many posts are 'how hard working the Irish are', could I point out that this is NOT a good recommendation for Ireland or them and the worlds greatest inventions, writings and ideas came from the lazy sods who sat at home and schemed and dreamed and wrote and dare I say it even drunk to excess. The job market is saturated with hod carriers, and it needs to be admitted that today young people do not want manual work, they want professions which call for an high degree of knowledge about modern world products and their making. Ireland needs business parks and to advertise itself more as a suitable base for foreign industry to go there, to prosper there. Ireland needs a new 'sales slogan' so write one for it and post it here.
eiriamach | Feb 12, 2013, 05:23 AM EST
curtisjohnson, long before the British arrived on the shores of North America, Columbus Portuguese explorers had sent Native American slaves to the courts of European monarchs. And after the British left, the original US Constitution incorporated the institution of slavery by counting each slave as three-fifths of a person. Article I, Section 9 protected the slave trade: "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year 1808, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person." From the house my Irish immigrant great-grandfather bought in New York at mid-19th century, he could see the ruins of an old mill built by Dutch settlers who brought slaves from Curacao to work it. John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, and a handful of other federalists expressed their unease with slavery and James Madison called it "barbarism," but not until William Lloyd Garrison launched an abolition campaign was there any attempt to end it. The US inherited the institution of slavery from a whole motley crew of Europeans and dallied with it for a century after independence.
curtisjohnson | Feb 11, 2013, 10:00 PM EST
The London Times article I am referring blamed the Irish for the famine (even though they exercised absolutely no control over the country and were outlawed from owning property or receiving and education) and celebrated that the Irish “are going! They are going! The Irish are going with a vengeance. Soon a Celt will be as rare in Ireland as a Red Indian on the shores of Manhattan.”
curtisjohnson | Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 PM EST
@ eiriamach – “Curtisjohnson prefers his own version of history, in which he blames the British for the American slave trade and centuries of slavery. When Thomas Jefferson tried to do the same in his first draft of the Declaration of Independence, Congress prudently struck out the entire passage:” Is this even a serious post?? It is undisputed that “American” slavery (which could only be defined as such after 1776)” was transported and originated from the british Carribean (literally, both a portion of the slaves and people who managed it) – initially to Virginia and South Carolina. They deleted the language because a significant portion of them wanted to maintain the british system of slavery. This slavery was no "paternal" "indentured servitude" but 24 hour brutality where barbaric punishments were often administered for the entertainment of the planter filth (one documented punishment was forcing one slave to defecate in another's mouth and then wiring the mouth shut). RobinForester is just lying about the nature of slavery on the sugar plantations - the mortality rate was massive. Who is claiming coal miners and railroad workers were slaves??? Bizarre.
curtisjohnson | Feb 11, 2013, 09:53 PM EST
@ eiriamach – “Curtisjohnson prefers his own version of history, in which he blames the British for the American slave trade and centuries of slavery. When Thomas Jefferson tried to do the same in his first draft of the Declaration of Independence, Congress prudently struck out the entire passage:” Is this even a serious post?? It is undisputed that “American” slavery (which could only be defined as such after 1776)” was transported and originated from the british Carribean (literally, both a portion of the slaves and people who managed it) – initially to Virginia and South Carolina. They deleted the language because a significant portion of them wanted to maintain the british system of slavery. This slavery was no "paternal" "indentured servitude" but 24 hour brutality where barbaric punishments were often administered for the entertainment of the planter scum (one documented punishment was forcing one slave to defecate in another's mouth and then wiring the mouth shut). RobinForester is just lying about the nature of slavery on the sugar plantations - the mortality rate was massive.
RobinForester | Feb 11, 2013, 10:48 AM EST
To eiriamach, Respect, whilst reading up on slavery I was amazed how many countries practised it including the whole of Europe. In fact most if not all of them during the last 1000 years. It had various names such as serfdom, indentured servant, liegemen or bondsman. A sort of paternal proprietorship in which the Master and Lord of the Manor (or farmer) housed, clothed and fed the workers in return for they agreeing to undertake the manual work on their farms in the days before the mechanization of farms took place. The work was not that demanding and governed by the growing seasons so workers had long spells being semi-idle. A good field of study associated with this subject would be the lives of Irish tramps workers, Irish coal miners, and the lives and times of the men who laid the Transcontinental Railroad tracks across America. Irish history is interesting providing you compare it to what was happing elsewhere and not reading it to fill your pen with hate as CurtisJ does.
eiriamach | Feb 11, 2013, 08:26 AM EST
Curtisjohnson prefers his own version of history, in which he blames the British for the American slave trade and centuries of slavery. When Thomas Jefferson tried to do the same in his first draft of the Declaration of Independence, Congress prudently struck out the entire passage: "[The King] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, ... suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us...." Jefferson did not emancipate his own slaves until he was on his deathbed. It's tempting to find a scapegoat, but often it's the strategy of hypocrisy.
RobinForester | Feb 11, 2013, 06:55 AM EST
Curtisj: I have managed to find the Times Announcement you refer to. It was the London Times of June 26, 1845, that pointed out: The Irish are suffering a real though artificial famine; the land is fruitful enough, nor can it be fairly said that no mans (labour) is wanting. The Irishman is disposed to work; in fact, man and nature together do produce (food) abundantly. The island is full and overflowing with human food. But something forever intervenes between the hungry mouth and the (food owner).' What the writer was saying is Ireland has the food, but the Irish people have no money to buy it, so it goes elsewhere and they starve. Ireland at that time was producing wheat, corn, dairy produce; it had herds of cattle, pigs, goats and poultry – with enough food to feed three times its population but no money to buy it. During the 18th Century, some 1,500 absentee landlords owned 3.25 million acres of Irish land as an investment, whilst a further 4.25 million acres was in the lands of 4,500 *IRISH landlords. Despite all your talk of Irish love, romanticism and charity, it needs to be said that even today, 168 years after the Great Famine, 900 000 victims lie in unmarked known graves and no Irish group has come forward to erect a simple gravestone on these thousands of graves for these people. May I ask have you Curtis Johnson ever given one penny to any food charity working in Africa today, or is it all talk and show and no money ever changes hands.
RobinForester | Feb 11, 2013, 04:05 AM EST
Curtisj: Three times you have expanded my original posts into a diatribe against the Brits by adding to them, it appears you blame the English for the ills of the world. I must call this your bad neighbour attitude to all. It appears from what you say no matter who got killed they deserved, when Shergar was kidnapped and killed by the IRA it was only a 'animal bag of bones'. I admit the British did start the slave trade, yet the descendants of those slaves are grateful to them today for doing so. Your life is occupied by the collecting of Irish victim stories, why not come with me to the slums of London, Glasgow, and Manchester to see how the other half lived, maybe you can read up on Charlie Chaplin-s mother, or my grandmother and mother, or the British workhouses and deportation orders so you will balance your knowledge of hate with the realisation we were all living in poverty then, it was the norm. William Wilberforce from Hull carried the day and persuaded the lawmakers to abolish slavery, he was unable to abolish drought and potato blight but would have done so if he could. If your sympathies are with the IRA then I imagine the Irish citizens killed at Eniskillen and elsewhere are for you 'just another bag of bones' like Shergar. To me they were people whose rights supercede any terrorist cause. Good day.
curtisjohnson | Feb 10, 2013, 11:17 PM EST
The West Indies North American slave trade was engineered in its entirety by the anglo mercantile oligarcy. The british state only officially did away with it when it no longer contributed significantly to its coffers. Granted, I have no idea what any of this has to do with the Potato famine other than thousands of indigenous Irish had already been victimized by the anglo slave trade - keep in mind that this occurred during an ostensible time of peace when the indigenous Irish were encouraged to return from hiding to the cities only to have their children kidnapped into slavery (the other victims had already been herded from their homes into Connaught). When dealing with the british terror state and its total lack of fidelity, times of "peace" often exceed the horrors of open warfare.
RobinForester | Feb 10, 2013, 10:23 PM EST
CurtisJ Irish farmers did export food to Britain in order to sell their crops at the market price, maybe they were worried these foodstuffs would be seized and they’d get nothing. As one reads your posts you can detect the anti-British sentiments you hold, so would it be correct to say these sentiments cloud your judgement to such a degree that anything you say is tainted with prejudice. I assume you’re an American citizen well how do you react to knowing that during the Irish famine period being discussed 1845 and 1852, slaves were openly sold in street markets and the slave trade was ‘in full swing’, here are some comparative timeline dates to digest: 1847: Slavery ends in Pennsylvania. 1850: In the United States, the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 requires the return of escaped slaves to their owners. 1862: Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade. 1863: In the United States, Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation, which declared slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed. Most slaves in "border states" are freed by state action; separate law freed the slaves in Washington, D.C. 1865: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected. So it appears you are more than willing to badmouth the Brits over Ireland, but totally ignore that America was at that time 20 times worse. I ask you to note that slavery was outlawed in the USA 15 years after the Irish potato famine, but it was another 20 years or more before any slaves were actually freed, they had no where to go accounts for this. Perhaps your logic is faulty and ruled by sentiment and old hatreds that contain far too much myth and not enough fact.
curtisjohnson | Feb 10, 2013, 09:19 PM EST
RobinForester just gives us her fabricated anglo supremacist view of the famine which by default blames the indigenous population. The famine was celebrated by the mouthpiece of the british establishment, the London Times, and britain's highest concentration of military personnel was in Ireland at the time (imagine the costs). Maybe the british terror state could have at least reimbursed the indigenous population the forced tithes to the anglican "Church" that they had paid for over a century.
seanomelb | Feb 10, 2013, 06:20 PM EST
Robin trying to rewrite history and places the blame on Irish farmers for the graet starvation. It is easy to see that she/he is ignorant of anything Irish. Woundebrain makes an "A" of himself again
anglo-norman | Feb 10, 2013, 05:41 PM EST
And what did the Catholic Church do to help
anglo-norman | Feb 10, 2013, 02:43 AM EST
The sight of two men kissing & holding hands is something no child should see. Do it in their own homes but not in public!!
eiriamach | Feb 09, 2013, 11:41 PM EST
"Power structures are changing." Yes. But they don't realize how much their Catholic Church has changed since the hopes ignited by Vatican II failed to come to fruition and a far-right backlash set in. The culture-warrior themes championed by the USCCB and the Irish bishops are very recent changes. They've abandoned the Catholic politics of earlier generations that made progress for the Irish and the nation in the USA. If the changes had anything to do with the life of the Spirit or authentic religious feeling or compassion for one's neighbor, they'd make some kind of sense. But unthinking obedience, tolerance for criminal behavior in churchmen, and intolerance for people still seeking progress make no religious sense at all.
curtisjohnson | Feb 09, 2013, 11:27 PM EST
What the article is unconsciously referring to is the anglo oriented Dublin establishment - the cancer in Irish society which produced the industrial estate Ireland/property bubble nightmare and the disgraceful bank bailouts. Ireland needs desparately to be freed from the toxc chains of the anglo-sphere for real merit, leadership, and vision to arise. @Schlobo - you post is self referential - your leaders are gradually disenfranchising and even replacing (arguably for the better) the anglo population who are increasingly relying on government for subsistence.
Joe Glackin | Feb 09, 2013, 10:55 PM EST
Why would people fear Gay marriage and is this a sign of progress or moving on. Theres those who are held back and some who are free but disillusioned.Then theres those who have have an interest for similar to themselves and disregard for any who have reservations by implying all sorts. Marraige is very important and was always between man and woman. Why cause all this moving on lark and ridiculing others, that cause distance or worse, creating anti gay bigot scenario.Why can you have civil unions as many non gays do. Bringing in the name marriage is a society issue in depth. Theres two extremes and gay marriage is not an issue that holds civilization or people back. While it is creating controversy over nothing, it divides and holds people from moving on. If theres that much energy on Gay marriage,would it not be more useful energising protests against Iran whose barbaric laws execute gays.
seanomelb | Feb 09, 2013, 07:38 PM EST
Seanmor and his ilk on IC fail to crawl out of the the auld early twentieth century Irish Catholic mould. They have been browbeaten by priests and nuns and have now independent thought processes. Modern thinking, individual thinking is anathema to them. They carry the chains of a failed church and can only find solace in attacking those who have moved on. they see gay marriage and LGBT's as something to fear. IF they respected other peoples beliefs they would be better christians. Power structures are changing and Seanmor and co. are dragging their mentally contrived chains and holding the rest of us back.
Joe Glackin | Feb 09, 2013, 04:01 PM EST
I disagreed with this writers belief the few occasions I commented .Whether he felt his view had been weakened or something wrong with comments getting through, mine dont appear. This writer as Iv pointed out to him before, divides rather than unites by his approach. Just like now typical anti-catholic bias using the word "Papacy" like Loyalist/orange bigots do. To talk of our ancestors struggle against "the sword" is so hypocritical. It was faith of our Fathers that kept the spirit alive to resist. His contempt for the Church is because of his pro Gay Marraige belief.By manipulation he uses the word "silence" to gain support/approval comparing ,the Civil war, emigration , present banking crisis?????. His humor is good and applicable "the view from the top of the hill head and the local lough," and that part is so very true. Like many inc myself at times we need to blame someone/thing for our problems or how one perceives them. The catholic Church, Devalera's cattle embargo Cromwell ,Jack Lynch ,the Christian brothers school beside the chapel, sometimes the French deserted us.etc This will prob not go up either but we cannot deny our Celtic Gaelic Irish and faithful identity. This was so hard fought for by resistance against brutal oppression through our Celtic Spiritual nature combined with St Patrick's bestowed Christian faith.As this old saying goes..... Chuir a dhia Naoimh Phadraig a bheannaithe chugainn le gchreideamh a choinneail ar saoirse spioradalta......This roughly translates to.. We got our faith from St Patrick to keep our Spitit of freedom hopes alive. The writer above could be a conspiring closet Devalera volunteer eyeing up maidens to dance on the crossroads.
eiriamach | Feb 09, 2013, 11:20 AM EST
Uhhh the Catholic complainers, a.k.a. Smyrnian, misneac, seanmor are at it again, complaining that the author has expressed an opinion distasteful to Catholics. Will someone explain to me how these complainers think, please? On the one hand, they are forever sniping, "The Catholic Church is not a democracy. If you don't like the rules, get out!" Then on the other hand, when people who don't like the rules do get out, the complainers snipe that the people they've kicked out have an "anti-Catholic bias"! LOL. It seems they have not caught on to how political debates work: they have the right to drive us out of their groups if our values and our moral sense don't match theirs, but they do not have the right to silence us. "Leave in silence"??? No, no one has the right to make that demand: Ireland can't demand it of the emigrants, nor Catholics of ex-Catholics. Freedom of conscience, freedom of speech -- think about it -- and try to unsnag yourselves from your ridiculous, self-contradictory demands.
Smyrnian | Feb 08, 2013, 09:49 PM EST
Rebelforce - They are happy because they are a socialist country now and they are getting a free living on the backs of the people who work. Misneac - yes, this is a VERY anti Catholic site.
misneac | Feb 08, 2013, 09:28 PM EST
Almost every topic featured on Irish Central has an anti Catholic Church rant about the alledgedly awful influence exerted by that Church in Ireland .I pose the question .Had the Catholic Church never been in Ireland what major advantages and benefits would we enjoy today ? Also which religious group would have better filled served the people ?
Rebelforce | Feb 08, 2013, 05:44 PM EST
A recent top ten list in the media claimed Ireland was the "tenth happiest country" in the world. How can you be considered a "happy country" when you're hemmoraging tens of thousands of your best and brightest young people? But then, maybe that top ten list was a recruiting poster intended to attract Pakistani, Chinese and Nigerian immigrants to take the places of the Irish who are forced to leave.
Seanmor | Feb 07, 2013, 11:00 PM EST
I totally disagree with the writer when he satate: "We don't like change in Ireland. Any kind of change..." That may have been true up to about 15 years ago, but not today. One evening in Sept. of '2000 while vacationing in the South of Ireland with my Wife, a New England Methodist, we heard a girl of about 15 say on TV: "Ireland is now multi-curtural, multi-racial, multic lingual... multi this and multi that...". She seemed very proud of all the diversity in the Irish state, but I wondered if she included the Gaeilgeoirí with among the multi-linguals, or were they considered to be FOREIGNERS because they still spoke Irland's national language?
seamus60 | Feb 07, 2013, 07:43 PM EST
Way to go Cahir. Where do we all sign up after that rebel rouser speech. LOL A great change from all our politicians who are hell bent on telling us we refer too much to our past.
Smyrnian | Feb 07, 2013, 06:50 PM EST
Anglophile - and the American people exercised genius by electing a socialist idiot for president?
seanomelb | Feb 07, 2013, 06:13 PM EST
Olovely Cahir's piece is to simplistic and he speaks from the heart with bitterness without offering any positives or understanding why Ireland was in an economic nightmare from 1922 until the celtic tiger. Devalera and other leaders did try to lift the living standards of the working class,massive government housing estates,the shannon barrage,bord na mona and other projects. The catholic church protested ajinst Dr. Noel brown TD for giving free milk to the poor to fight a rampant TB problem9A hangover from the terrible colonial conditions bequeathed to the Irish nation.Cahir is correct about the early influence of the church which some politicians slavishly followed. Ifeel he should be less angry at the Irish state and ponder a little on the historical reasons for some of our early woes.
anglo-norman | Feb 07, 2013, 01:07 PM EST
barnie4001- It's the Irsh people themselves who are to blame here as they don't have the courage or the strong-mindedness to vote correctly or not vote at all. That whole Island is an episode of Father Ted.
barnie4001 | Feb 07, 2013, 12:46 PM EST
the sooner the Irish politions get out of ireland the better for all concerned. they are all interested in filling their own pockets,what about the golden circle
Schlomo | Feb 07, 2013, 03:39 AM EST
The Irish resist change because the culture is infantile. Infants like routine, manipulation and comfort in the knowlege their parents/parent will give them anything if they cry loud enough. In Ireland the punters are the infants and government (the politicians and senior civil servants) the parents.
hollabackgurl | Feb 06, 2013, 11:07 PM EST
I think Ireland has held on to its 19th century town and country political model far too long into the 21st. We need representation that belongs to and can interpret the modern world, not the clannish old boy network that has just noticed they're dinosaurs.
cillowen | Feb 06, 2013, 10:39 PM EST
land of mugs and slugs - Once a slave always a slave. -King Neyl of old Erin wrote to England's pope Adrian on the goodness the good fella laid on Ireland: after driving us by violence from our spacious habitations, from our fields, from our paternal inheritances, and compelling us, in order to save our lives to make our abode in the mountains, the marshes, the woods, and the hollows of the rocks, they are now incessantly harrassing us in these miserable retreats, to expel us from them, and appropriate to themselves the whole extent of our country. Hence results an implacable enmity between them and us: and it was a pope, who placed us in this miserable condition. They had promised that pope, that they would fashion the people of Hibernia to good morals.
hollabackgurl | Feb 06, 2013, 09:02 PM EST
God preserve us from drive by trolls like HappyHippo who have nothing constructive to say and no ability to debate issues thanks to their bitter little brains. Get a vocabulary and a clue before you comment buddy.
Happyhippo | Feb 06, 2013, 08:29 PM EST
God preserve us from people like this writer who have who nothing positive inside their bitter little brain,if this is his contribution to the economic recovery of the country all i can say is they are certaintly better off without him.Get a check up buddy before you do real damage.
olovely | Feb 06, 2013, 06:56 PM EST
How is it wrong, you have admitted yourself that Ireland came late to the Industrial Revolution? That seems to me to be a settled fact. You're shooting the messenger. I don't see this piece as insulting, as you do, I see it as angry, and challenging too, and like I said, I happen to agree with its assessments.
seanomelb | Feb 06, 2013, 05:51 PM EST
olovely I agree that nepotism is rife in Ireland having experienced it myself. It is also rife in Brittain,USA and in Oz wher i now live Ireland is no exception. Cahir's industrial revolution statement is ompletely wrong and he reminds of those Irish who leave and seem to ave a 'Cultural Cringe' when musing on Ireland. They do Ireland no favours.
olovely | Feb 06, 2013, 05:31 PM EST
I don't imagine O'Doherty's unfamiliar with the historical reasons why the Irish were late to the Industrial Revolution. I don't imagine anyone is. It's not just a historical question, or even a colonial one: Ireland has been a Republic for decades, after all. The malaise he identifies is that it is not a meritocracy. I happen to agree with him. It's paternalistic and nepotistic. I don't think your 'cultural cringe' rejection really applies.
seanomelb | Feb 06, 2013, 04:40 PM EST
What a load of popycock from O'Doherty. Fistly he states Ireland missed the industrial revolution as if It were the fault of the Irish. The period of the I.R from around 1850 until just before WW2 Ireland was a colony for about 75 of those years oppressed and marginalised. Secondly in the period following independence and up to WW2,the shannon barrage was completd,bord na mona was formed to name but a couple of large progects and by 1955 Ireland was one of the first european countries to have a national electric grid, even before the USA had a grid covering all of the country.O'Doherty's article is typical of those Irish who suffer from a "cultural Cringe" and dog ignorant to boot.
JBRAFTREE | Feb 06, 2013, 03:44 PM EST
What a long load of crap!!!!
WoundedKnee | Feb 06, 2013, 02:32 PM EST
Another dumb article, the kind that IC specializes in. Where to start? First, De Valera didn't want Ireland to go back to the 15th century. He was a man of science, founding the Dublin Advanced Studies Institute, for example. He never, despite the dopey insinuation of the article, spoke a word about maidens dancing at the crossroad (and if he had, what was wrong with that--why shouldn't people celebrate their culture? When I go to Spain I see people dancing in the squares on Sunday evenings, and no fool like Roberts sneers at them.) By the way, Dev didn't have the slightest concept of the British Premier League, another stupidity in this article. Ireland, the author claims, was the last nation to embrace the Industrial Revolution--does Roberts know who was running Ireland at the time of the Industrial Revolution? It wasn't Irish people! Go blame the ones who had the power. And to say that the Irish avoid change is patent nonsense. No other country in Europe has changed as much as Ireland since about 2000. In short, a worthless piece from Roberts.
olovely | Feb 06, 2013, 02:00 PM EST
Ireland is socialist in the same way that Dallas is socialist. Your ideological posturing hasn't kept abreast of the centuries, BrianO. Try to keep up old chap. Ireland's on its uppers because of a Banking Crisis (you know, the one under Bush that almost destroyed American capitalism too?).
BrianO | Feb 06, 2013, 12:54 PM EST
Person who wants bureaucratic socialist rule in the US is upset because of Bureaucratic socialist rule in Ireland. Maybe Cahir you are making progress and realize government needs to be limited.
michaelidaho | Feb 06, 2013, 12:26 PM EST
Cahir, Is it possible for you to write an article that is NOT totally depressing, negative or pessimistic? Just once?
Butch1 | Feb 06, 2013, 11:12 AM EST
This was a well written rant. As an American-Irishman with lineage running on both sides of my family, I know many left before and during the Potato Famine for a better life just as the writer of this article has said. I cannot imagine how horrible those Coffin Ships were to travel in if you only had enough money for the cheapest fare to travel across the pond to where ever you were going. If you had any money you traveled in the better class cabins and didn't have to stay below deck. These people put up with a lot to get here and some of those ships didn't make it across the Atlantic. That is a despite person to leave their home of birth to an unknown place to seek a new life. They were and are some of the hardest working people this country has ever seen and I am proud to have this blood flowing in my veins.
Silling | Feb 06, 2013, 09:55 AM EST
The only solution to Ireland, is (1) Let Michael O'Leary run the country, or alternatively, hire a government, not elect one. Democracy is the ruination of Ireland, bloody Greeks and Saint Patrick should be put up in place of Jesus for bringing catholicism to us.
DaddyMac22 | Feb 06, 2013, 09:52 AM EST
Brilliant, heartfelt article. Very good read. Thank you for putting into writing what a lot of our generation are thinking.