Iran, Afghanistan, Ireland - fundamentalist theocracies? Irish abortion laws highlighted by Al Jazeera as evidence of Ireland’s fundamentalism - VIDEO
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Al Jazeera, the TV network and channel headquartered in Qatar in the Middle East, broadcast a hard hitting special report on Ireland's anti-abortion laws just a week before the country was embroiled in our latest abortion controversy.
'Many countries are condemned in the West for organized religion and its effect on peoples lives,' the reporter noted. 'Societies throw their arms up in horror if countries like Iran or Afghanistan deny women basic rights. They tend, however, not to mention Ireland.'
Ah, Ireland. So an anti-woman fundamentalist mindset isn't simply an issue in the Middle East?
'In Ireland,' he continued, 'a woman cannot have an abortion if she has been raped. She cannot have an abortion if the man who made her pregnant is beating her. She cannot have an abortion if the baby will die outside her body. She cannot even have an abortion if the fact of being pregnant is in some way threatening to her life.'
Talk about spelling it out for you. You could actually hear the incredulity in his voice. Iran and Afghanistan are constantly in the news for denying women basic rights he reminded us. But in the interests of fairness, add Ireland to that list.
It's not how we see ourselves is it? But it's long past time we did. Fundamentalism doesn't need a passport, after all. It exists wherever there is life. And it exists, it seems, only to preserve its own purity, at whatever cost. It does this by means of the law.
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I have known many Irish fundamentalists. I grew up around quite a few them in fact. These are people who hold ideals and attitudes that not even what the poet Michael Longley calls 'the drunkenness of things being various' can dislodge.
To the fundamentalist mindset, the contractions and ironies and sheer messiness of daily life are simply moths that circle eternal truths. They're just tiny irritants, they're to be dismissed, the purifying fire will take care of them all.
It occurred to me recently that the people I know in Ireland who are most implacably opposed to abortion are almost all women. That's inevitable in the sense that it's an issue that affects them more immediately. But it's not inevitable in another sense.
Do they look to Iran and Afghanistan as models of the society they are building? Hardly. But in their judgmental ferocity, in their this-is-not-for-discussion conclusiveness, what really separates them from the most fundamentalist cultures of the Middle East? If Al Jazeera thinks you're being mean, you might want to check yourself.
And I think I would be more impressed by the sincerity of Ireland's concern for the next generation if it weren't for our history of abuse and neglect and emigration and carelessness, and if we didn't keep giving the lie to it through our politics.
Last week Ireland held a referendum on children's rights. They did this because seventy five years after it was enacted by the august founders of our Republic, someone noticed that we forgot to include rights for children, separate from the rights of parents or families.
It explains a lot, that attitude. It explains a lot that it took seventy five years to notice it too.
So last week a referendum was held in Ireland to amend the constitution in number of key areas including adoption, protection, State intervention in neglect cases and giving children a say in their own protection proceedings. But what was most significant, I thought, was how few Irish people cared enough to actually turn out to vote. Turnout was just a pathetic 33.5 per cent.
In Ireland we say protect the unborn, but the number of Irish women traveling to Britain for a legal abortion each year is higher than every other member state of the European Union combined. We also say protect the children, but when the time comes to stand up and be counted most of us can't even be bothered to vote.
We like the optics and rhetoric of compassion, it appears. We're just not keen on the reality or the consequences.
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olovely | Nov 22, 2012, 10:24 AM EST
IrelandNorth, perhaps if a stranger violently rapes you you'll stop thinking about this issue in the abstract.
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IrelandNorth | Nov 21, 2012, 06:36 AM EST
Anti-abortion stance isn't necessarily anti-women. Aborting a baby won't unrape a victim. Why punish a baby for its father's misdeeds? Aborting a baby won't protect a woman from domestic violence, though it may prevent the child from insufferable family dysfunctional. But which is the lesser of two evils? (NB [Protestant] Rotunda emphasies Madonna over child. [RC] National Maternity Hospital (NMH), Holles' Street the child over the Madonna. A case of an immaculate interception?) The jury is still out on why that Hindu Indian woman wasn't afforded one at University College Hospital Galway (UCHG). Religious reasons are purely speculative, and quite probably propagandistic. Islamic women often preside over the genital mutilation of their daughters, in a way that Jewish fathers do so ritually with their sons, much to their eternal shame! A weekend poll was considered instrumental in the low turnout for Children's Referendum, which was only just about passed. Not because the Irish in Ireland don't care about children, but because they justifiably fear state interference in their domestic affairs. (PS See health editor Sarah Boseley's article in The [Manchester] Guardian, 24/05/2011 re India's unrestricted 'fetuscide' of female babies to control population), the other extreme of Ireland's probably over-cautionary approach.
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hollabackgurl | Nov 20, 2012, 06:08 PM EST
Not being able to have an abortion after being raped is a terrific reality, if you're the woman in question, Rebelforce.
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Rebelforce | Nov 19, 2012, 09:46 PM EST
In Irish-Catholic Ireland a girl can grow up to be President of the nation. In most Arab-Moslem regimes a girl can't even get a drivers license. Let's keep it real shall we?
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pilib04 | Nov 17, 2012, 12:28 PM EST
Irish fundamentalism? And Al Jazeera thinks this is news??? What cave have they been working in? Fundamentalists control both the government of the Republic and the government of Northern Ireland. Big Surprise! To whom?
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maireadinmelb | Nov 17, 2012, 03:41 AM EST
Considering the recent us election and the debates re abortion, why has al jazeera not pointed out the us states that try to prevent a woman having a choice or should I say rights!
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eiriamach | Nov 16, 2012, 10:20 PM EST
Islam allows abortion when the woman's life is in danger, at least through the fourth month of pregnancy. Savita Halappanavar was four months pregnant. Muslims believe in saving the lives of pregnant women. In this respect, they are more advanced in human rights than fanatically anti-abortion Roman Catholics. Although it's painful to read the facts, it's time to end the hush-hush about official treatment of endangered women and children in Ireland.
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seanomelb | Nov 16, 2012, 05:02 PM EST
If interpretation is the problem then clarify the law. I doubt that is the complete picture. I know the rotunda hospital(If that's what it is called these days) always saved the mother in a "choice emergency" with family conset. Most pregnant women flocked to the Rotunda as a "minimial" amount of choice was available. When I lived in Ireland (and I was born in the Rotunda) it was known as the "Protestant hospital" and frowned upon by the Catholic clergy. BTW the rotunda was one of the worlds greatest teaching hospitals. OB.Gyn's from Brittain and elsewhere done post graduate work their. So! Al Jazeera is partially wrong in its summation. Unfortunately the thrust of its piece is correct.
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hollabackgurl | Nov 16, 2012, 03:55 PM EST
You're not on top of the news cycle, Kilsally. The Irish government has issued no clear guidelines about when and how to determine if the mothers life is in danger. That's what happened to Savita. Different doctors had different interpretations of what should happen. Because of that, and because of Ireland's official hypocrisy over this subject, she died a needless hard and painful death.
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Kilsally | Nov 16, 2012, 03:00 PM EST
Al Jazeera report is wrong in that abortion is allowed in Ireland North & South when the mothers life is in danger
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BrianO | Nov 16, 2012, 12:21 PM EST
We can seee where Cahir's loyalties are. Al Jazeera. How does Al Jazeera and your friends in the Islamic brotherhood deal with women and same sex partners?
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