Conservative Christians creating next generation of atheists and agnostics
By: Cahir O'Doherty | Published Saturday, June 30, 2012, 9:15 AM | Updated Saturday, June 30, 2012, 9:15 AM
Ask yourself, what have been the most signature events in worldwide religious faith in the last two decades?
It’s a simple enough question and the answer is mostly horrifying.
It’s planes flying into skyscrapers, it’s child molestation, it’s woman being stoned and murdered, it’s gays being bashed in the pulpits and on the streets, it’s women who use birth control being called sluts on the national airwaves, it's clergy secretly practicing what they publicly condemn, it’s Koran burnings, it’s hardworking nuns being persecuted by their out of touch superiors, it’s funerals being protested with placards and abuse, and on and on – so are you surprised that more and more young people
don’t want to touch religion with a barge pole?
Ask yourself, is there anywhere on earth right now where religious faith is actually brightening the lives of millions as it builds for a peaceful tomorrow?
Or is it more accurately depicted like this: in daily portraits of Christians who are bracingly righteous in their own beliefs and intolerant of all others; in Muslims who oppress women and each other with their intolerant and restrictive religious codes; in Jews who oppress their Arab neighbors. Just turn on your television and these are the images of religious faith in action that the world sees.
So it’s not a trickle, this march of disillusioned and alienated young people leaving the church, it’s a flood, because the truth is they’re leaving in droves. Religion equals intolerance now, thanks to decades of undeniably supporting evidence. Research conducted by the pro-Christian Barna Group in 2007 on Americans age 16-29 found that 'anti-homosexual' was the dominant perception of modern Christians. Decades of God being used as a battering ram to bash gays have appalled them.
The biggest mistake that conservative church leaders are making here in the US is to double down increasingly on the positions that have already turned young people off. In recent years Tea Party politics have become so intertwined with conservative Christian faith here that they have become indistinguishable. Religious leaders have allowed and encouraged this, in fact.
The hardening of ideological attitudes on the right can also be explained by the pervasive influence of religion on conservative politics. Christian conservatives on the right have been increasingly blatant about their desire for religion to shape public policy – you need only look to candidates like Rick Santorum or political action committees like National Organization for Marriage or Focus on the Family to see that’s true. We’re at the point now that the Republican Party could be renamed the Christian Brotherhood without much difficulty.
But while the older generation of Christian conservatives have been flexing their political muscles they appear to have missed the fact that instead of crafting an enduring victory they’re actually shooting themselves in the foot.
Among America’s young, the rise of ‘none of the above’ on religious surveys has increased in recent years from traditional numbers like 5–10% to new numbers like 25–30%. That’s astronomical. That’s what you get for seeing the speck in other people’s eyes whilst you ignore the beam in your own.
4000 years ago God could flood the world from pole to pole and start all over again; He could level cities and part seas. But for the internet generation growing up now He's mostly seen by kooks in their toasted cheese sandwiches.
If conservative Christians want to remind us why He was celebrated in the first place they'll have to start by reminding themselves: will it be Fox News or Good News?
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.Mousemess | Jul 14, 2012, 06:59 AM EDT
Joe Kelsall, Ni aontaim leat. Ta Dia ann. I don't agree with you. God is there. God exists in the hearts of good men and women. What exists in the hearts of good people cannot be destroyed by unbelievers. I've tried the atheist route and found it empty and lacking. I don't care if people young or not young are becoming atheists. That has no effect on my belief in God. And I am a liberal person. However, as for myself, I believe in God and will continue to go to my church, worship and pray for as long as I live. Sure, people will mock and sneer about God, equating God with G_d, with Santa Clause, Easter bunny, etc. I don't care. Is cuma liom faoi sin. My prayer life and faith life does not depend on their approval or lack of it. Even if my church one day closed down much to their delight and their proud acclamations of "There is no God!", I would not lose my belief and my faith for what is in one's heart does not depend on a building or a physical structure to keep it alive.
eiriamach | Jul 09, 2012, 09:29 PM EDT
I read that dinner suggestion and shouted "Yes!" What a great idea. At Bewley's in Dublin maybe, where Ciara can have some healthy veggies, Cahir can find coffee like Starbuck's, and Hollaback probably would like the same. Mayoman will have a fresh roast beef on multi-grain roll with all that green stuff they put on it in the little cafe not far from D's place (I'm not sure Mayoman realizes, but he's dined there with D, H, L, and me occasionally), and I'm sure it would be a great meet-up. (I eat anything that doesn't crawl away.) How about December after semester's end? Don't decline, please, because then I cannot enjoy thinking about it for the next five months, and I might really need a mood-saver fantasy after the US election in the fall! Maybe Seanomelb would fly in from down under?
ciaradexy | Jul 09, 2012, 01:33 PM EDT
Mayoman, I completely agree. I love reading their posts. Would love to have dinner with the 3 of them.
seanomelb | Jul 03, 2012, 07:16 PM EDT
Some Christian schools in America are now teaching that man walked on the earth with dinosaurs and using the Loch Ness monster as proof so they can justify their discredited creationists theories.Cahir is spot on with his analyses.
BrianO | Jul 03, 2012, 11:54 AM EDT
D 18, my description was too simple and yours more accurate, thank you.
mayoman | Jul 02, 2012, 06:03 PM EDT
I'm always grateful to Cahir, hollabackgurl and eiriamach for their open-mindedness, clarity, intelligence and toughness. Walt Whitman would have called them "courage teachers". Whenever they write a word here; I read it attentively, consider it, and often learn.
Brnmar1 | Jul 02, 2012, 04:35 PM EDT
If anyone really want to understand Thomas Jefferson then read the Qur'an. The Declaration of Independence is more in line with what is in the Qur'an than what is in the Bible. Thomas Jeffersons' qur'an is now kept in the Library of Congress in Washington D.C.
Joe Kelsall | Jul 02, 2012, 12:06 PM EDT
There is no God! It's all a myth spread by flabby thighed Chaucerian frauds like the late Pastor Hagee. Enjoy this life,'cos it's all there is!
Derwahnsinn18 | Jul 02, 2012, 08:38 AM EDT
Jefferson was not a 'very religious man'. He believed in a creator god who created man and the universe. But he didn't believe in an interventionist god. He didn't believe that Jesus was the son of god, he didn't believe in miracles or the supernatural. He was therefore a deist, i.e irreligious by definition. He wrote the jeffersonian bible, which is essentially the tradional bible with all the supernatural bits taken out (he viewed as a good book of morals, but to him it was merely the product of human agency). He was deeply anti institutionalised religion and seemed to be quite anti-clerical. Its important people actually realise this.
BrianO | Jul 02, 2012, 01:27 AM EDT
Jefferson was a very religious man, he feared government installing a religion and argued against any state sponsored religion. This does not say that he didn't believe fully in God and natural law.
peterquinn | Jul 01, 2012, 09:31 PM EDT
Yes.
peterson | Jul 01, 2012, 06:34 PM EDT
When the "Second Coming" arrives, there will be many stating " OOPS, I really screwed up !
peterson | Jul 01, 2012, 06:31 PM EDT
Cahir --- Get a life -- A Christian life !!
BrianO | Jul 01, 2012, 06:12 PM EDT
Whats nice is that society as a rule is so more civil and respectful of each other these days.
eiriamach | Jul 01, 2012, 03:18 PM EDT
No, it's not Santa Claus! The drift of the young away from religion is well studied. Pew Forum's 2007 U.S. Religious Landscape Survey noted that 18-29-year-olds dominate the group called "unaffiliated," the largest "religion" in the study. Pew's 2010 survey found the percentage of Millennials (born after 1980) who were unaffiliated holding steady at 25%, calling themselves atheists, agnostics, or "nothing in particular." This is double the rate of unaffiliated that existed in the 1970s and '80s. Most leave without affiliating with any other religion. Why? The 2010 study showed 79% of UNaffiliated Millennials believe "homosexuality should be accepted by society"--the largest approval rate, which was only 50% for the entire population in the study and 58% for religiously affiliated Millennials. "Nearly six-in-ten former Catholics who are now unaffiliated" left because they disagreed with RCC "on abortion and homosexuality, about half cite concerns about Catholic teachings on birth control and roughly four-in-ten name unhappiness with Catholicism's treatment of women." Many who disaffiliate "say they did so in part because they think of religious people as hypocritical or judgmental, because religious organizations focus too much on rules or because religious leaders are too focused on power and money" (2009 Pew's "Faith in Flux"). There's an abyss between the politics of conservative churches and the politics of American youth.
Brnmar1 | Jul 01, 2012, 03:05 PM EDT
The main reason why many Christians are turning away from their faith is because of 'Santa Claus.' When they were stll mentally undeveloped, their loved ones told them about a man who lived "up" in the North Pole. This man knew when they were sleeping, he knew when they were awake. He knew when they were good or bad so they had better be good for goodness sake. If they were good on a certain night of the year he rode through the skies on a flying vehicle and came into their homes through a chimney, with all types of wonderful gifts for the children who were good. These young undeveloped minds were also told about a G-D who lived "up" in the sky with HIS angels. This G-D knew if they did bad things or if they were good. When they became older and met other children who ridiculed them for believing in Santa; they went to their parents or some older adult to get the facts. And, once again they were lied to. Then later on in life when it finally sinks in that this Santa story was a load of dung, they start wondering if this Christian story about a G-D living "up" in the sky with HIS angels was also a lie. Then begins the doubt about everything they have ever been taught in Christianity. Stop feeding young and accepting minds falsehood.
CitizenWhy | Jul 01, 2012, 01:08 PM EDT
Now, now, Cahir, don't you realize that contempt, arrogance, sarcasm, unkindness and vitriol are gifts of the Holy Spirit? Just ask any "good" Chistianist out there. They know.
CitizenWhy | Jul 01, 2012, 12:59 PM EDT
Indeed Christianism and Christianists have made Christianity quite rejectable. Not only are people leaving the churches but once out for a bit the churches are not missed one bit. In the past people returned to the church when the siiue of how to raise children arose. But now more and more are finding moral, ethical, kind (how unChristian) ways to raise children without handing them over to cranky clergy and their even crankier superiors.
McNamara31 | Jul 01, 2012, 11:27 AM EDT
Jefferson was passionate about a "wall of separation between church and state" for the very reason that the founders had seen firsthand what the marriage of church and state did to oppress many in Europe. Karl Rove is the GOP operative who has married these again in the states primarily to get GWB into office and look what that got us. After leaving office both of the Bush women stated their beliefs were not in line with the evangelicals they wooed for the vote and was just another political farce.
oldboreen | Jul 01, 2012, 10:04 AM EDT
Just another anti-religion rant I thought-at first glance. But as a Catholic, I have to say there's a lot of truth in the article.'By their lights ye shall know them'!These so-called'Conservatives' have a lot to answer for. How about a little more charity and a great deal less condemnation? All that wasted energy spent on telling everyone else where they are in error, whilst there is so much real ministery they could be involved in! Less cant please-more action in the streets!
oldboreen | Jul 01, 2012, 01:45 AM EDT
let me get this straight, Conservative Christians, meaning those who hold to the immutable teachings of Christ as handed down via his Apostles, Church and Sacred scriptures, are somehow creating the next generation of Atheists/agnostics??? Now this wouldn't have anything to do with a decadent, debased culture that embraces hedonism and moral relativism whereby sinful life choices i.e. active homosexuality, abortion, adultery, drunkenness(which scripture says: will not see the gates of heaven)are now justified as "normal" and "conscience" choices?
bushmanirish | Jun 30, 2012, 11:44 PM EDT
Mr. O'Doherty, you've expressed what many have sensed for some time. Personally, I was trained as a Protestant theologian, then converted to Catholicism and now, well, I'm cautious. The Christian and Muslim extremists you cite are just that; they are not the humble folks who really do exist out there in large numbers and honestly try to please their "God". You have seen, and probably intuited, the firestorm that would result from your article. So I leave you with a lesson I learned in Central America after grabbing hold of a bush overflowing with fire ants. There are black ants; they're the nice ants. There are red ants who can hurt you a lot. Then there are fire ants who bite with such ferocity and pain it transcends any earthly scale. You, sir, have just stepped into a pile of fire ants. How I admire your courage but encourage you to take care with fire ants. Your courage means nothing to them.
MarkLFromGA | Jun 30, 2012, 11:21 PM EDT
What is so difficult to understand? Young people are leaving religion behind because of the atmosphere of intolerance, yet we have, here on this comment thread, people demonstrating the exact reason WHY youth are fleeing religion. Personally, I don't give a single rip what these people think about "liberalism" - to them, it's just a generic blanket term used to describe those they don't like personally (Don't toy with me on this, I've got enough psychological background from my college days to know the routine), a term used in the same manner as a racial slur is used by a Klansman. Nor do I really care, at this point, how hurt or indignant the right gets at comments that take them to task for their behavior; they've gone full guns after the left for decades, even think that "declarations of open hunting season on liberals" is funny. But turn the guns of criticism around at them, they squawk like little children who just got the wedgie of the century by the big kid on the playground. You, the fundamentalists of the world, are the reason for the downfall of religion on the world stage. Live with that.
MarkLFromGA | Jun 30, 2012, 11:14 PM EDT
"I don't need to see this leftist propaganda unbalanced views of the author, or by dam wise-ass Anti-American, Anti-Protestant foreigners, or even my own countrymen. There are more problems here with the author than with those he is slandering. It is apparent that he has not concept of what is or isn't "teleological ethics" in either Judaism or Christianity". Then what, pray tell, are you doing here? Do you not understand the storyline, or are you just demonstrating to those of us here exactly why the youth of the world are avoiding Christendom like the bubonic plague?
hollabackgurl | Jun 30, 2012, 10:19 PM EDT
Even the Pope has hired Fox News anchors to do the Vatican's reporting now. It's beyond a joke how embedded religion/politics/conservative Christians are, it's worrying now.
timbobdennehy | Jun 30, 2012, 10:02 PM EDT
lets see boobs at the altar.seriously,women are more faithful to god and yet are only seen as servile helpers for the priest.bring equality to the cloth.
seanomelb | Jun 30, 2012, 07:00 PM EDT
Unfortunately Nicoletta cannot rise above her bigotry, Cahir's big picture is to broad for her to comprehend his central point. Borefield is just the type Cahir is referring to a teaparty bigot.
ProudCanadian | Jun 30, 2012, 06:53 PM EDT
What an incredible article, thank you Cahir, your insight is fantastic. The only thing that I may differ with is that it is not religion but the fanatasim of man that creates these attrocities. People just can't seem to live with open minds they have to follow. It is the same in politics, the politicans are so bad the kids nowadays have very little to choose from. I myself vote because it is my duty and I vote for the party/person who I think will take me down the road the slowest because they all will. I just ask the young people to give God a chance no matter what he/she is called but go in with an open mind and don't be swayed by anyone. Thanks again Cahir and Irish Centrel for this article.
hollabackgurl | Jun 30, 2012, 05:06 PM EDT
You're right, BrianO. Love will always defeat all those who try to dismiss it.
BrianO | Jun 30, 2012, 03:04 PM EDT
Hollabackgurl, In order to lose one must give up.
eiriamach | Jun 30, 2012, 12:44 PM EDT
borefield, uncle_jac and Nicoletta contribute nothing to the discussion. They shoot off their mouths in personal attacks on the author and any religion other than their own. Such attacks simply pile on more evidence that the author's point is right: for youth, "Religion equals intolerance now." Young people are not looking for a side to join in the culture wars. They would be attracted to churches that welcome all, that offer meaning and purpose to enrich their lives, and that engage in collective action to improve the lives of many, rather than condemning many and inviting their members to hate feminists, homosexuals, liberals, progressives, innovative theologians-- as though these were enemies of God! I'm tempted to put the point more strongly than Cahir did: Inveterate haters are attracted to conservative Christian religions. As long as that's the predominant attitude, don't expect young people to apply for membership, not today, not ever. If hermitTalker were really trying to win people back to the church, he or she would challenge the bigots here instead of ignoring them. That would set an example of Christianity rather than moral cowardice.
jamthecat | Jun 30, 2012, 12:20 PM EDT
Religion has become this century's communism, with its leaders going so far as to want to refuse people jobs and homes and legal protection and even their lives if they do not conform to a particular vision of acceptable behavior. They want to control what you think, say, and do and are expanding that power through laws passed at the state level by people they've gotten elected. That's exactly how things worked in the Soviet Union under Stalin and Nazi Germany under Hitler and communist China under Mao. People like Santorum and Gingrich and Limbaugh are not just pushing this totalitarianism, but millions of people are applauding them for doing so. Look at some of the insipid comments by the religious cultists that have popped up here. They won't be happy till we have the same type government as Iran under the Ayatollahs, destroying the very idea of separation of church and state. But what puts the nails in the coffin is how silent the christians who disagree with them have been. You'll hear bleats of "Not all of us are like that" and "Don't paint us all with the same brush", but in comparison to groups like NOM and Westboro, they aren't even really whispering their dissent. That's what makes it look like religion is all one-sided and absolutely anti-everything -- the quiet stance of those who do NOT think gays should be rounded up or that women have no right to decide what to do with their own bodies or that all Latinos are illegals and should be shipped back to Mexico. It's their silence that gives the screaming fools their legitimacy.
SCVMalcolm | Jun 30, 2012, 12:06 PM EDT
hermit..."theological ethics" are nothing more than male hierarchical ideas promoted and force-fed as "dogma" with the threat of excommunication. I resigned from the Roman Church years ago, because I refuse to be "Catholic". We are called to be "Christian" - adjective meaning Christ-like, which the Vatican is NOT!
Nicoletta | Jun 30, 2012, 12:06 PM EDT
Cahir O'Docherty - know thy enemy 1. Do not lump all religions together. Islam, for example has nothing to do with Christianity and has indeed been its avowed enemy since its inception. 2. Islam would wipe gays off the face of the earth, as opposed to Catholic doctrine which simply points out the error of their ways. Think sticks and stones. 3. What would your poor ancestors think of you??? They who lost their lives and liberty for their faith, to hear one of their descendants trash it into the ground. Shame on you.
SCVMalcolm | Jun 30, 2012, 11:58 AM EDT
Hermit Talker and Uncle jac...Do not deserve a reply. Your last line sums it all up powerfully & concisely! BTW, the influence of religion who sees them as birth control, prevents the distribution of condoms in Africa by American-funded anti-AIDS agencies. Condoms there are actually orphan prevention devices. I thank God for the way Cahir sees and shares.
eiriamach | Jun 30, 2012, 11:54 AM EDT
As an indictment of religions, even of Roman Catholicism, your thesis would be a wildly insupportable generalization. But as an explanation of why young people are not affiliating with churches or synagogues, it is perfectly accurate. I hope commenters do not misconstrue it as another anti-catholic "attack." You've focused on the core problem that accounts for dwindling members, especially in conservative Christian denominations, the most blatantly political and accordingly, the least spiritual and Christ-like. How many readers can recall a time when collective action was the work of God, undertaken by labor unions, activist nuns and priests, anti-war and civil rights demonstrators? Remember the Berrigan brothers, courageous once-priests, who worked tirelessly and aroused sleeping consciences: "We confront the Roman Catholic Church, other Christian bodies, and the synagogues of America with their silence and cowardice in the face of our country's crimes. We are convinced that the religious bureaucracy in this country is racist, is an accomplice in this war, and is hostile to the poor"-- Philip Berrigan, 1968. Today's churches are pushing to reverse the gains such Christians made in social and political policy. They alienate tolerant young people, who, in their atheism and agnosticism, live more richly spiritual lives than the religious hypocrites they avoid.
uncle_jac | Jun 30, 2012, 11:48 AM EDT
Lets face facts, it is doubtful that the author is a graduate of Yale Divinity. And just being a liberal pseudo-intellectual elitist from Yale University isn't going to make it setting any real level of competence in the subject mater of this particular article. As a Christian I do not have a problem with this author's personal views as much as his general inexperience or incompetence with the subject. He should consider reading the work of "Rabbi Dr. Asher Meir." It would be quite helpful for him to learn standard theological level ethics for would be journalists.
hollabackgurl | Jun 30, 2012, 11:38 AM EDT
Here's why you're side has lost, HermitTalker. When you talk about objecting to gay people you call it:'People who object to same gender genital(ity) activity.' Reductive phrases like that make you sound like a giant tool. If you used a phrase like that at a dinner table you would be revealed for the man/woman you actually are. I see then you link gay people to HIV and AIDS ignoring the fact that by far the majority of those cases are contracted by heterosexual sex. Then you say Catholics care for them medically - but have you noticed the church refuses them condoms that will halt the virus transmission? How does that help? How does silencing the nuns and preventing them their agency promote the church or the well being of the communities they serve? I don't believe you are a good christian HermitTalker, I believe you are an all too common holier than thou finger pointer who condemns others and ignores your own transgressions. Nothing you have written here suggests otherwise.
borefield | Jun 30, 2012, 11:26 AM EDT
Cahir, you are such a nasty bigot. You use this blog to spew your personal hate for conservatives and Catholics , you then try to point out what is good, bad, right or wrong! They are your own personal resentments, please take ownership of them. I really don't need to know about them. Get yourself a real job.
hollabackgurl | Jun 30, 2012, 11:14 AM EDT
Love gays but hate them. That's the message of love the sinner but hate the sin. It's a logical fallacy promoted by cynics and people too stupid or too lazy to examine their own words.
uncle_jac | Jun 30, 2012, 11:11 AM EDT
I don't need to see this leftist propaganda unbalanced views of the author, or by dam wise-ass Anti-American, Anti-Protestant foreigners, or even my own countrymen. There are more problems here with the author than with those he is slandering. It is apparent that he has not concept of what is or isn't "teleological ethics" in either Judaism or Christianity.
hermitTalker | Jun 30, 2012, 10:48 AM EDT
Cahir: Apply brakes please and slow down. You, like so many in the print and electronic media and in film and TV sitcoms follow the same script. 1 People who object to same gender genitality activity, oppose making it equal to marriage are not all bullies or bigots. Most are not they love the sinner and hate the sin, as is shown in the AIDS and HIV patients who cared for pastorally and medically by Catholic personnel worldwide. 2 Nuns who pray as contemplatives, teach in schools at every level and operate and serve in health-care centres are not those whom the Vatican is working with. The dissenters in leadership roles who violate biblical teaching and oppose settled doctrine are. 3 People who claim to see images in toast and on wet walls are not typical or normal belief, and we can blame hyped media coverage of that as we can for their other distortions or real faith and the conduct of most believers and their pastoral leaders. The Vatican for example subjects every claim for spiritual visions and physical miracles to exhaustive study- not like the TV preachers who knock lots of people back and they stand up claiming cure with no scrutiny. ### There are Babylonian stories of Floods that were adapted by the Bible to illustrate a common OT theme- God hates sin, but does not abandon His people- so your worldwide flood story is not taken as you seem to. Ignorance, hatred, fear and sin and hubris were always part of the human condition but no one seriously should take any evil today as typical of today's common sense believers who do not read Genesis for science or defend destruction of life from womb to tomb. Some do and have lots of media and political support but that does not make them right. Just waiting to be corrected with love. And logic aka common sense.
CelticQueenUSA | Jun 30, 2012, 10:25 AM EDT
We need to realize that Jesus walked among us and talked to all people and said, "Love one another as I love you". Well we seem to be hating each other instead. Remember that those who casr the first stone, etc. and also 'JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED"!!! Only GOD knows what is in the heart of those that are "marginalized" by worldly standards. Return to the LOVING LORD not some trumped up narrow-minded bible puncher or bigot who burns other people's "books" of their faith. Live and let live!
seanaci | Jun 30, 2012, 10:17 AM EDT
You’re talking about human nature, Cahir. I challenge you to name one human organization however loosely defined that did not turn on those it was supposed to benefit and/or on society in general after being in existence for around three to five generations. It’s not just Christianity that abandoned its principles; whole industries – finance for example – and countries do the same. The USA is still young in historical terms and is already far removed from its founding principles. Humans are trapped in a constant conflict between the desire for individual untrammeled freedom and the need to socialize. Nation states tend to push the “freedom” bit whereas familial and tribal societies stress cohesion plus family and group compliance.
rondonaghe | Jun 30, 2012, 09:58 AM EDT
Cahir, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm sixty-four and relatives on both sides of my family are Christian fundamentalists (Baptists). All my life I've seen them drape themselves in their bibles, claiming to live godly lives, while at the same time drenching themselves in the politics of the extreme right wing, becoming more and more insulated to the modern world, or as has been attributed to Upton Sinclair: When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Since I'm gay, I've seen some members of my extended family condemn me behind my back and treat meet cooly to my face. I do have to admit and be gratified by the fact that my immediate family have embraced me and my life-long partner of twenty years.