Arizona, at early stages of ethnic cleansing?
By: Cahir O'Doherty | Published Friday, August 13, 2010, 3:20 PM | Updated Friday, September 9, 2011, 9:46 PM

The problem with opening a Pandora's box is that it's so hard to put the lid back on.
Just look at
Arizona. Suspicion, fear and even outright hostility toward a hard working ethnic minority has resulted in
SB 1070, setting the stage
for an ugly clash in the desert that may ultimately decide who we are as a people for generations.
For many of us SB 1070 is little more than thinly-veiled legislated racism, and cynically misguided politics at its absolute worst.
As I have mentioned previously, the bill is being ardently supported and funded by hate-based white supremacist groups, who are fairly salivating at the prospect of a race war. There used to be a time when keeping that kind of company made even the most conservative question their own direction. Those days appear to be over.
One
Phoenix police officer said this week that enforcing Arizona's new immigration law would make him feel like a Nazi. Paul Dobson, a 20 year veteran, said: 'I could stop a person and start interrogating them, even if I don't have reasonable suspicion. It's horrifying. It violates our calling to serve and protect.'
And now some critics of the bill are even describing SB 1070 as a form of ethnic cleansing. Hubristic at it sounds, there's no doubt that it actually does target a racial minority, and that bolsters their charge.
When
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put on hold key provisions of the bill last month she received hundreds of death threats at her court offices within hours of her ruling. In fact, she was inundated. Shouldn't we be concerned about that?
It's estimated there are 500,000 undocumented immigrants in Arizona and that most of them are sending their kids to school, paying their taxes and pursuing their lives in the shadows. And it's no secret that these people were working at some of the hardest work there is. Yet local politicians talk as if they were trying to rob the state.
'The majority of undocumented immigrants, in my opinion, and I think in the opinion of law enforcement, is that they are not coming here to work. They are coming here and they’re bringing drugs. And they’re doing drop houses and they’re extorting people and they’re terrorizing the families. That is the truth.'
Let's face it there are millions of people in
America who WANT to believe that there could be thousands of headless bodies out there in the Arizona desert, courtesy of the cartels. These are mostly the same people who lie awake at night fretting over the President's missing birth certificate. And Brewer and SB 1070 are playing their deepest anxieties like a baby grand piano.
Looking into the future, it's very hard to see any good coming from Arizona's fateful decision. Because SB 1070 is more a provocation than a policy. It's a gold plated invitation to a circular shoot-out. It poisons the air before the administration tackles the tough business of immigration reform. It invites a nation of immigrants to bash immigrants. It may be too late to step back, but it's not too late to take a stand against it.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.patrick1945 | Aug 25, 2010, 01:42 PM EDT
In the words of a famous Irish-American President, "Here you go again". The question is how to stop "illegal" immigration and the problems it is causing. Who do you think is mainly coming across the border illegally, Eskimos? If legal immigrants are required by federal law to carry documents than why not illegal immigrants? Here you go again, blaming Arizona and not the Federal Government for the problem. It doesn't matter why people come here, what does matter are they follow U.S. laws in coming here. Who were the death threats from, Mexican Drug Cartels?
seanomelbourne | Aug 22, 2010, 08:20 PM EDT
When I was 18 I taught my father was the most ignorant man in the world. When I was 25 I was amazed how much he learned in 7 years. A Twainism I believe.
Monsoonman | Aug 22, 2010, 12:49 PM EDT
It is the inevitable shift lad, when the populace wakes up and realizes it is they paying for all of the goodies now and it isn't just "somebody else". Kudos to you and your son, he must have been precocious and wise beyond his years to end up a conservative under your tutelage, they say that children do learn from their parents. For years I too was a liberal up until my 18th birthday when I got a dose of reality and became a libertarian. Some people just mature a bit faster than others, lad.
seanomelbourne | Aug 21, 2010, 08:40 PM EDT
Hung parliament recount in progressed those dratted right wingers might get into office. The party of the right in Australia is named "The Liberal Party"it is our GOP my (son is a member where did I go wrong???). The government is the "Australian labor party" I doubt if they will survive this close election.It appears that the greens may hold the balance of power in the senate.WE use the"proportional representation "system. Do you mean "vote early""vote often""and kick heads" absolutely we have similar democracy's but no chard's.
Monsoonman | Aug 21, 2010, 06:05 PM EDT
Lad? You still busy voting over there in aussie land? You must be voting the chicago way, early and often...Did your side win? Did the dead rise up out of their graves to vote just like they do in obamas home town? Jes askin and jes sayin.
Monsoonman | Aug 20, 2010, 08:59 PM EDT
Compulsory voting me boy? That could be disastrous here in the US...I say let sleeping dogs lie. I would however make it compulsory to have an informed electorate...so many hrs. per week required to watch cspan, etc. Then let people decide if they want to cast a vote.....There should be some standards for voting at least a smidgeon of govt. knowledge at least. How about knowing the names of your representatives for a start?
seanomelbourne | Aug 20, 2010, 07:24 PM EDT
We seem to have some similarities in our background Mman,some people start out poor or fall on hard times and don't make it back.Some people are stuck in a poverty mind trap I think education is the key. I do acknowledge that a certain percentage of the population wrought the system(as thy do here in Aus). How Do we not punish deserving recipients of help and castigate the bludgers?. I do not know who ADM are but if you are talking of corporate welfare that is more obscene. Is it true that 90% of your farm subsidies go to large corporations.If so would these subsidies (in a strange way)help corporations buy out small family farms. I suppose "he who has the best lobbyist wins". Off to vote FED election here today,voting is compulsory (63 buck fine)
Monsoonman | Aug 20, 2010, 11:33 AM EDT
Oh no Sean, my mantra is "there but for the Grace of G*d". I have been through those times before meself and have had help temporarily until I got on my feet, I know what it's like and that's why there is a safety net...But the safety net has grown into a permanent institution for those who live off of the system. Some "homless" i talk about are the drug addled/alcohol fueled ones who are by choice on the streets. Who get taxpayer money to live their lifestyle and have been harnessed by the democrat party for their votes c/o ACORN and other innocuous sounding non profits. It is a racket Sean baby and has been turned into an industry that spawned the likes of obama & co....Sorry Lad, but that is the truth and when you come here for a golf game i will give you a tour....The areas are a bit north of Pebble Beach....We can also talk about corporate entitlements too while you are here, like the ones ADM and others like it get.
seanomelbourne | Aug 20, 2010, 10:21 AM EDT
I did say my knowledge of ACORN was limited thank you for filling in the gaps. You still did not answer my question on your "homeless bums" comment. Maybe you recanted and whispered to yourself "there but for the grace of God go I".
Monsoonman | Aug 20, 2010, 10:11 AM EDT
Sean me boy, federal and state prosecutors have convicted many officials of ACORN across the U.S. for campaign law violations. Congress withheld money from them as it became publicly known that ACORN was a criminal organization working at the behest of the seiu and democrat party. ACORN sued to get those funds restored and last month the high court sided with congresses right to take funds away from ACORN. When you live here and knw the facts Sean you realize that wherever ACORN set up shop, voter manipulation and fraud followed all at the expense of the US taxpayer....
IrishAndProud | Aug 19, 2010, 09:01 PM EDT
And I am happy to report that 22 additional U.S. states are now considering legislation similar to Arizona's. So, exactly as predicted, this unelected court usurping the people's will (and the U.S. government concurring instead of enforcing the laws like they're supposed to) has only had the OPPOSITE effect: rather than cowing and intimidating other states from following suite (and exactly what kind of government does that?), it's only lit a fire nationwide that they cannot stop. States from Florida, Alabama and Colorado, to hard-core Democrat states like Rhode Island and Michigan are following Arizona's lead...and it will be flatly funny watching the feds try to bully, threaten and stomp them all out (and wring themselves into a pretzel like a game of Twister, in the process). They cannot spread themselves thin enough, in that many different places, to keep their jackboot on the people's necks, that much. This is awesome!
seanomelbourne | Aug 19, 2010, 08:16 PM EDT
Mman! I have pondered over your comments on "homeless bums". And I am disappointed. To categorize all homeless as bums is disingenuous to say the least. There are a myriad of reasons why people are homeless,Just to mention a few,loss of income/family/mental illness and the usual suspects drug and alcohol abusers.And your claim they should be disenfranchised how undemocratic. This has always been a right wing tenet as they do not wish to empower certain groups which include the poor. I have a limited knowledge of ACORN,am i correct in saying that no charges were brought against them for election violations. Most information I have gathered on ACORN is gleaned from FOX (hardly an unbiased source of info).I am sure you will thank FOX"S boss for donating one million dollars to the GOP Murdoch is your man. Disappointed Moonsoonman.
2BorNot2B | Aug 18, 2010, 02:15 PM EDT
Why should it be the obligation of the US government to solve the economic problems of Mexico whose own people do not have the ambition or COURAGE to solve, by revolting against their own corrupt government; or those problems of the mexican government that is only too glad to pawn them off on the US people. Because it is WE the people who pay for them! -- Illegal mexicans want to be here, enjoying the benefits this land provides, yet not at all intersted on assimilating, learning the language or being loyal to this country that provides what their own refuses to. Yet, they want to remain loyal to that other country, waving its flag and shouting mexican slogans at any chance they get... The US owes them NOTHING! They should have come in like the rest of us, struggling through the maze of laws and legal demands, earning their way into the American dream, and not act like all they need from us is jobs and a living their own government by stealing and pocketing for the use and high living of the ruling class whatever taxes it extracts. -- How do I know? I lived in that country for some 15 years.
Monsoonman | Aug 18, 2010, 09:46 AM EDT
But I will salute ACORN and other taxpayer supported arms of the democrat party for executing their takeover by registering to vote all of the homeless, deceased, make believes, illegal aliens and bringing them to the polls or filling out their absentee ballots for election day. This ensures we keep the entitlement class robust and strong by keeping entrenched politicians nice and safe, all at our expense...brilliant Machiavellian plan, executed perfectly.
seanomelbourne | Aug 18, 2010, 02:05 AM EDT
I do not demonise the U.S.A. I actually believe it's good place to be. Maybe you deliberately missed the point i made (typical) just to play a game of oneupmanship. You need to oscal both eyes.
Monsoonman | Aug 18, 2010, 12:58 AM EDT
Laddie! The "homeless" we used to call them bums, call san francisco home because it is the seat of everything liberal...Most of their homelessness is caused by their personal choice of drug and alcohol abuse. The city gives them money(us taxpayers) every month so they stay, get loaded and make a mess of the streets...so much for liberal utopia...great dennis miller diatribe tonight!
2BorNot2B | Aug 17, 2010, 11:39 PM EDT
seanofmelbourne (and he should stay there!) says: **If a Latino judge was pulled over for a violation and had no I.D. he would be charged under the new law,** -- So far you are right. The operative word is "pulled over for a VIOLATION" -- If a judge, the king or the president comitts a violation he deserves to be pulled over whether his color is purple, black or magenta However, the second part of your post reeks of idiocy: (if) **he looked Latino therefore he is guilty of an offense. That is profiling on the basis of skin colour.** That is the most ridiculous assertion the left makes.-- The Arizona law MIRRORS the federal law, good research was done before it was written so that the challenge they knew would eventually come would not succeed. However, that did not stop the democRat admin from playing politics. -- oVomit knows that Mexicans and blacks gave them the margin that put him in power, and since he has now lost most of Independents, and even quite a few of the democRats that voted for him, his strategy is to grant amnesty to illegals who are a growing minority, so that they become the factor that will keep his party in power till doomsday. -- Unfortunately, the fact that he is precipitating doomsday with his disastrous policies and his ineptness... he may be doomed no matter what.-- I lived in several countries of Europe and they all demand that anyone moving into their country show up at the 'Commune' before anything else and get ID'd. which one must carry at ALL times, under penalty of incarceration. -- Further, it's nearly impossible to immigrate to any European country unless one has substantial wealth or constant and sufficient income. -- So why demonize the US for less than that?
2BorNot2B | Aug 17, 2010, 11:04 PM EDT
**The USA should annex Mexico and make Mexico the 51st state in the Union.** Says krysdaly -- Newsflash krys, the US tried already, way back when in the time of Polk -- for some reason the Mex's rebuffed the invasion and since then the Mex intelligentsia and the professional political class (read: the thieving leeches that keep Mex's poor and unschooled) absolutely detests the US!-- And, since they are the ones holding the power in every possible way, they are happy as hell the US is now the recipient of the problems not only they themselves (the ruling class), caused and cannot and will not solve because frankly they don't care! -- Get this America, 'educated' Mex's absolutely HATE the US, and uneducated Mex's don't give a..., all they want is to live in the US earning dlls they can then send back to Mex, and eventually have enough to emulate the people who never gave them a chance at education, who screwed them by pocketing the taxes they gathered from the common folk, and who were ultimately the cause of their 'illegalhood.'
seanomelbourne | Aug 17, 2010, 09:48 PM EDT
Is the homeless problem caused by state or fed. government inaction or a "survival of the fittest" mantra. We have our share of homeless here in oz. looking at O'Reilly today, his mate "Miller the mean-spirited" deriding the top 10 livable countries in the world because the U.S. didn't make the list.
Monsoonman | Aug 17, 2010, 09:38 PM EDT
lol me boy, NYC is a tough town sometimes, you used to need lots of change to buy your way through the panhandlers before rudy g. took over. Now san francisco is home to a tremendous "homeless" population that continually pester you for money as you walk down the street and have to step over them...
seanomelbourne | Aug 17, 2010, 07:11 PM EDT
5days Mman! My late wife panicked when she discovered there were no shops (withdrawal symptoms). And to add insult to injury it was her idea,unfortunately no time for fishing only tears when I told her we had a problem leaving. I was more at home on the boardwalk(L.A.)or buying a hot-dog from the vendor outside the Empire State Building (couldn't even get that right) I was admonished by him for not having the correct change.
Monsoonman | Aug 17, 2010, 09:49 AM EDT
Lad??? Just how long were you "stuck" in Cuba? The answer could solve one of my questions regarding your political views....Did you do any freshwater fishing while there? Did you get to golf on one of Fidels personal golf courses?...I don't know about you, but my travel experience has proven that everywhere in the world I need valid i.d. to do anything. Checking into a hotel in a foreign country requires I have a passport...let along if I get stoped by a police official. If i didn't have i.d. I would get hauled right into a different type of hotel, the graybar hotel.
hancock | Aug 16, 2010, 10:26 PM EDT
In America you must carry ID , EVERYBODY.
seanomelbourne | Aug 16, 2010, 07:54 PM EDT
Moonsonman your transgression did not profile you as an illegal immigrant. I think hancock misses the point. Why should you carry I.D.? It is not mandatory in Australia. Had an experience some years ago in Cuba. Flew from L.A.Mexico city /Havana.(1989) could not leave Cuba to return to Mexico because the Mexican visa was only good for an in/out visa. Had to bribe Mexican official($100)to return. The actual cost of a visa (at the time) was 6 Cuban pesos about $1.
patrick1945 | Aug 16, 2010, 05:19 PM EDT
I guess you don't need any identification papers or licenses when you sneak into Mexico or Canada either.
Monsoonman | Aug 16, 2010, 09:44 AM EDT
Even if you forgot to have your i.d. with you, you can still tell the officer your name and address so he can verify who you are. Otherwise escaped fugitives like the murderer who just escaped from prison could not be stopped and asked for i.d., the police would have to let him go...think this through.
Sungold | Aug 16, 2010, 04:11 AM EDT
As a legal American citizen there are many, many instances where I am required to show I.D. Flying on an airplane or riding a train; cashing a check; paying by check; purchasing alcohol; checking into a hotel; renting a car; if I am stopped for a routine traffic stop, or any other time a police officer asks. These are just some examples off the top of my head. Why should illegals be exempt? And I don't care what color they are.
Monsoonman | Aug 16, 2010, 01:07 AM EDT
Lad, I got a citation for not having i.d. once upon a time here in cali, the land of fruits and nuts. Ya gotta have i.d. when asked for it, they want to know who you are, they want to run warrant checks on you, etc.....I really don't think that is very much to ask.
hancock | Aug 16, 2010, 01:06 AM EDT
Why wouldn't he have any ID? You think a Latino judge is that stupid, or couldn't get himself extricated from that situation?
seanomelbourne | Aug 15, 2010, 11:17 PM EDT
If a Latino judge was pulled over for a violation and had no I.D. he would be charged under the new law,he looked Latino therefore he is guilty of an offense. That is profiling on the basis of skin colour.
plasticpaddy | Aug 15, 2010, 05:45 PM EDT
deb moore - its actually very hard, as much as the detractors should visit Arizona, you should research immigration legal routes, if you did you would realise that youre comment is ridiculous and uneducated.
jbernardg | Aug 15, 2010, 05:12 PM EDT
If the author had actually visited Arizon, he would see that Mexican-Americans serve as police officers, border guards, lawyers and judges. Many have been there for centuries. Many of them support the Arizona law. Why would a European writer object to the police enforcing immigration law? It is quite normal in Europe. But he likes to parrot what he hears from his liberal artsy set in Manhattan. He need to cross that river on the West Side. That's where America starts.
debmoore | Aug 15, 2010, 02:00 PM EDT
All of you who have negative comments about this policy should come and live in Arizona for awhile!!!If the Mexicans want to live in the USA they should go thru the process and become citizens-NOT THAT HARD! As a US citizen, my tax dollars pay for there welfare benefits and for their free medical care while the illegals pay NO taxes. Huraay for AZ for finally doing something about illegals-the rest of the states should follow suit!!!!!!!!!
olovely | Aug 15, 2010, 08:17 AM EDT
Immigrants and Mexicans have replaced the gays as national scapegoats. This writer posted a link to the Phoenix Police Department's state crime statistics that prove crime is down 23% in the last ten years. All the Tea Party inspired hysteria should be seen for what it is.
seanomelbourne | Aug 14, 2010, 10:19 PM EDT
Are we witnessing the thin edge of the ethnic profiling wedge?. How easy it is to scare people in an election year with racist comments(by the usual suspects) on this blogosphere
Laura Wilson | Aug 14, 2010, 09:05 PM EDT
Hurah for the 1070, Phoenix finest & Sheriff JOE!!! we heep this great work & AZ, will be the 1st state out of Illegal debt to the real TAX Payers some relief, *( yeah for Arizona)****
FlynnMcCool | Aug 14, 2010, 08:46 PM EDT
Pan Left productions, that tells you all you need to know! How many officers did the reporters have to talk to, before they found their "disgrunteled" policeman,who would gladly give them what they wanted to hear! The good people of Arizona, aren't bigots, and White supremist. I dare say even some ot the Americans of Mexican descent, are for these laws to protect them from their Mexican counter-parts who are in the drug and human trafficing business. The Arizona laws are written on the model of the U.S Imigration laws but brings them into the local sphere of law enforcement since Owebama wont have his people do the work they should. this artical is an Anti American piece by leftist who hate America, and has its demise in their eyes. I hope that Arizonians will stick together in the light of anti-American biased reporting,and triumph over the Left leaning, Anti-American press and Marxist-Leninist Groups seeking our down fall. May God bless Arizona.
mandokeith | Aug 14, 2010, 02:41 PM EDT
YOU CAN CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT-BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE. It is NOT ethnic cleansing it is ILLEGAL cleansing. If you are legal you have nothing to worry (or whine) about. The law was NEVER purported to focus on legal residents, but you have to look at the populace to find the illegals. P.C. baloney.
jamieLM | Aug 14, 2010, 09:41 AM EDT
I doubt the people, who don't think there's a problem in the border states, have spent one nanosecond there. Why don't you, who favor ILLEGAL immigration, pack up and move to the border of Arizona or Texas, so you can experience life there first-hand? Btw, for some illegals, the only "work" they do is figuring out how best to "work" the system.
WoundedKnee | Aug 14, 2010, 05:35 AM EDT
John Hogan: "Does Ireland welcome illegal immigrants???" Yes, pretty much. It's almost impossible to get deported from Ireland. They write you a letter a week before the day they propose to deport you, just so you'll be ready. Funny thing, but most of the people so notified move house during that week...
WoundedKnee | Aug 14, 2010, 05:31 AM EDT
More nonsense from DennisQ. The fact is that Hitler and the Nazis favored Mass Immigration. There was a policy of importing workers during the 1930s and early 40s. And I am not referring to concentration camps, I am talking about importing people at low wages to work in factories etc. Not much different from what we do, or from what they do in Ireland. So wise up before making your silly analogies, DennisQ.
DennisQ | Aug 14, 2010, 03:22 AM EDT
The real test of whether undocumented immigrants are welcome is whether they find work, and they do find work. If they didn't, they wouldn't come here, and they certainly wouldn't stay. The reason they find work is that there's a market for their services - even in the economic hard times we're experiencing. Those people work hard, and they genuinely contribute value to our society.
If you're looking for a reason that any so-called "reform" will result in mass deportations, look no farther than the fact that Americans are not willing to deport the kind of people we need in this country. This Arizona legislation isn't good for that state; it's simply demagoguery on the part of a few individuals like Joe Arpaio and Jan Brewer. The stories about the harm these undocumented workers are causing are just invented stories - there's no substance to them at all.
The underlying reality here is that right wingers are looking for a scapegoat. Right wingers have always done that, whether it's Jan Brewer or Joe McCarthy or Adolf Hitler. With them, it's always someone else's fault. However, as with earlier demagogues, right wingers' disconnection with reality will be their undoing. Hitler was wrong about the German people being some kind of master race. Joe McCarthy blamed the discontents of the 1950's on Communists, and it took the Vietnam War to defeat that nonsense. What will happen in Arizona is equally predictable - they're going to drive out good, honest, hard-working people and achieve nothing in return.
IrishAndProud | Aug 14, 2010, 01:58 AM EDT
Yes, hollabackgurl...that's from 'The New Colossus' by poet Emma Lazarus, and it's talking about LEGAL immigrants, like those who came legitimately through Ellis Island (and many of those were even turned back) -- not the illegal aliens that YOU back just to be politically correct.
hollabackgurl | Aug 14, 2010, 01:39 AM EDT
"Give me your tired, your poor/ Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me/ I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Any of you even remember where that's from or what it means?
ridinggirl | Aug 14, 2010, 12:24 AM EDT
Surely this site can find someone who has a brain to contribute more than this piece of drivel. The fact is, that millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS are forcing their way through the US southwestern border every year. Now more than ever, the entry includes an increasing amount of drugs, violence, kidnap victims, and even a good number of fundamentalist Islamic terroists who are now traveling up from their South American entrance, through Mexico and into the US. This author is clueless. The legal US citizens cordially invite this author to walk the entire border of the southwest US without a bullet proof vest, riot helmet, and of course, without any weapons. Lets see how far this opinion author gets. Have fun.
IrishAndProud | Aug 13, 2010, 07:46 PM EDT
correction: Gallup found 71% DISapprove of Obama, on this matter...
IrishAndProud | Aug 13, 2010, 07:45 PM EDT
Hollabackgurl, the Department of Homeland Security hasn't even been around for ten years. And along the border, where these illegals are pouring in, the inhabitants thereof might just beg to differ with you. You hold NO moral high ground on the racial issue, hollabackgurl. Calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist is not only unimaginative and false -- it's also completely ineffective, anymore...because people like you and the Non-American Agitator Cahir have so grotesquely overused it. Interestingly enough, Gallup has found that 71% approve of Obama's handling of this matter...so I guess that makes them all racists, right?
willieboy | Aug 13, 2010, 07:32 PM EDT
Hey: Mind your own business....
patrick1945 | Aug 13, 2010, 06:38 PM EDT
Let's forget the illegal emigrants coming her that are not subject to health screening as a legal emigrant would be. Let's forget drug and human traffic over the border. Let's forget receiving benefits illegal emigrants never helped pay for. Let's forget the destruction caused to the environment. Lets forget illegal emigrant put a strain on our schools, emergency rooms, and other public services. Lets forget illegals take away high paying construction, meat packing and other jobs from American citizens, many citizens being Mexican-Americans. Let's forget no social number, no state or federal income tax. Let's forget low crime rate because federal emigration laws are not fully enforced. As far as racial profiling, who do you think is mainly coming illegally across the southern border, Eskimos? What about citizens having crimes committed against them in their homes along the border. What about the drug war along the southern border. Mexico has the natural resources to take care of it's people. Should the U.S. suffer because Mexico refused to care for it's people. The answer I guess is to make Mexico the 51st State of The Union.
hollabackgurl | Aug 13, 2010, 03:03 PM EDT
Violent crime in Arizona has dropped by 23 percent in the last ten years (source: Department of Homeland Security). The statistics prove it, so why do racists repeat this lie?
Madeleine | Aug 13, 2010, 02:44 PM EDT
Ethnic cleansing? my stepfather of 40 years was a Mexican, his family came here legally and they all learned English and did well , in fact, my stepfather could barely speak spanish. Mexicans have been coming here legally for years and they are fine people but this new breed of immigrant is not welcome, claiming America is their country and stepping all over our flag is not the way to go . There certainly is heads in baskets laying along the border highways, it was shown in the news papers here. The crime rate has shot up and car accidents have tripled, especially hit and run. This is a different group of people coming here now. I have been studying spanish so I can make new friends, I am half spanish but i can't speak spanish because my Mom was norwegian, but I don't think I would like to make friends with people who burn our flag. The maintainence men in our building are helping me, they only speak to me in Spanish and then repeat it in english, I never get what they are saying LOL but they are lovely people, I am all for legal immigration of Mexicans, not amnesty for 20 million though, thats just crazy. They need to be documented and go through proper channels, Obama could do that if he set up a program, why doesn't he? say 3,000 at a time each month, the same with the Irsh. No one wants to kick people out but the crime is outrageous in Arizona and it spreading to other states such as pennsylvania and upstate NY, thats pretty far from Arizona.
rgensemer | Aug 13, 2010, 02:21 PM EDT
What is with the Irish? Why and how do you compare and equate enforcing existing laws with racial profiling? These are two very different subjects.
Dompedro | Aug 13, 2010, 02:15 PM EDT
Just wondering ...... Has Cahir seen the ghost towns and can he direct Arizonans to them? ..... how does hancock know that Cahir knows more than the people who live in Arizona? .... why doesn't Cahir complain about the Federal immigration law that apparently must make all Americans racists?
PhlutiePhan | Aug 13, 2010, 02:07 PM EDT
How about using some "common sense" and come up with a middle-of-the-road plan. There is no doubt of big immigrant problems in Arizona. To deny, is to be "daft". With all of the violence on the border, how much common sense does it take to see that it is starting to "spill over" and will only get worse.
Blkcatwm | Aug 13, 2010, 01:28 PM EDT
I see the author of this article is only listening to the propaganda that the illegal immigrants want you to think. I have lived in Arizona for 34 years and I have seen it change dramatically for the worse. The illegal gateway through Arizona is REAL!! Every citizen in the USA has to show ID, registration and proof of Insurance when stopped for a traffic violation. If I have to, so should an Illegal no matter where they are from. I am sick and tired of people who don't have a CLUE as to what is really going on here, putting there 2 cents in. If you want the illegals, then lets put them on a plane or boat to Ireland. I'm all for it!! Then see how you like it! I'm tired of the car-jacking, mugging, drug dealing, gunshots at night, as well as the countless people on welfare that have babies after babies. I know this first hand from a woman who has 12 children by different fathers...she got more money for each batch with different fathers...her children where having children and not getting married, because they could collect more money...even her 12 year old couldn't wait to have a child!! Her 15 year old, was on her 2nd child!! Of course, the 15 year old wasn't taking care of the baby, grandma was....when you see it first hand, it's SICKENING!! So, don't lecture us Arizonans!By the way, have you seen the pictures of the mexicans writing graffiti on our flags and walking across them on the ground and waving their mexican flag? Of course not!! I've got the pictures!! They are disrespectful!!If they love Mexico so bad, they should go back over the border. Oh, they won't because they don't get paid to have kids there!!
allentown | Aug 13, 2010, 01:14 PM EDT
O'Doherty implies that the Phoenix police officer Paul Dobson is not prepared to serve and protect the citizens of Phoenix by not enforcing SB1070 if the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upholds the law. Perhaps he should seek transfer to the sanctuary city Los Angeles.
oldbear | Aug 13, 2010, 01:12 PM EDT
. At least Arizon is trying to fix their territorial problems with illegals. We need all the friends we can make so make a caucious non-intimidating approach to any people. The probable cause for stops must be suspiciousness (not race) driving erratic domestic vioence e.g. with the result checking ID for anyone suspected in a crime. I know hard to allay fears when cops approach but if you aint guilty of something things go smoother. Retired LEO
John G. Hogan | Aug 13, 2010, 12:59 PM EDT
Legal immigrants are WELCOME........illegal immigrants are law breakers Does Ireland welcome illegal immigrants??? As for the birth certificate, how do you know it is "missing"? Only a certificate of live birth has been produced so far.
FastEddy | Aug 13, 2010, 12:52 PM EDT
Oh, please ... So, how does Irish g'ment handle illegal entries into you country? Does Dublin have a "catch and release" program? Check out this Arizona sheriff's web pages = http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Mugshot ... select a crime and note the multiple pages of illegal felons He deals with daily.
jeanus1 | Aug 13, 2010, 12:46 PM EDT
This article is so ridiculous that I'm thinking of cancelling my registration at this site. These people are in the country illegally.....if you don't understand that term...it means you are committing a crime. When you commit a crime, the police are doing their duty by arresting you. When did the police and border control become the criminals????? What is happening to our country?? I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. I'm a 63 yr old mother, grandmother & Irish-American from immigrant ancestry on both sides of my family.
slainte9 | Aug 13, 2010, 12:29 PM EDT
It's remarkable that the people who write for Irish Central think the people who read Irish Central are gullible enough to believe that the majority of the people in Arizona actually expect to start mowig their own lawns, cooking their own meals, washing their own cars, or raising their own children. Proof positive that the brilliant Irish monks whose work and libraries saved Western Civilization were true to their vow of celibacy.
jdi2269 | Aug 13, 2010, 12:15 PM EDT
WHAT A CRAP ARTICLE ~~~ THESE ARE PURE AND SIMPLE CRIMINALS !!!
chesapeake | Aug 13, 2010, 12:06 PM EDT
Really too ridiculous to warrant a ;engthy reply. Arizona has thrived for years with a high population of whites, blacks, hispanics, indians, etc. The problems are caused by non-citizens taking advantage of the system. White supremacist hate groups? I agree with the law ands I'm a Catholic senior citizen. Write about something with which you are knowledgable... and do so while you are sober.
Albertson | Aug 13, 2010, 11:54 AM EDT
Cahir O'Doherty is an idiot.
Adoptsalot | Aug 13, 2010, 11:49 AM EDT
Cahir O'Doherty must be a most uneducated individual. Too bad IC continues to let him rant here. Arizona, minus the illegals, is probably one of the most diverse states in the U.S. Populated by Native Americans(5%), African Americans(4%), Mexican Americans-Latio(30%), Anglo Americans(58%). There is NO attempt at ethnic cleansing. These extreamist and inflamitory headlines are disturbing and perverted. SHAME on you and SHAME ON IRISH CENTRAL.
slainte9 | Aug 13, 2010, 11:44 AM EDT
It's comforting to know that crime is down in Arizona according to Irish America. What they're not saying is that violent murder in cities like Phoenix is still at the same level as Northern Ireland during its troubled years. The hundreds, if not thousands, of poor immigrants who die each year trying to cross the border and the ones raped and robbed aren't counted in Arizona's crime statistics.
Ajreaper | Aug 13, 2010, 11:43 AM EDT
hollabackgurl, BILL OF RIGHTS? Who's the eejit here if you think those apply anywhere else but to U.S. citizens anywhere but the United States your a complete fool- get arrested in Mexico and mention the Bill of Rights and see where that gets you. Good lord get a clue.
loveapint | Aug 13, 2010, 11:27 AM EDT
Lets all enter Ireland illegally. The Irish Gov will greet us at the shore and provide us with free housing and food stamps, give us money to get a car and free health care. They will give us ajob if we want to work, but we don't really want to work. Our children will automaticlly become Irish citizens, therefore the Irish Gov will not deport us because it will break up our family. I'm packing my bags now!
joanmoody | Aug 13, 2010, 11:18 AM EDT
Arizona is only doing what the federal government won't do, protecting their borders. Texas is another state with the same problems but whose borders are longer.
DeaconJack | Aug 13, 2010, 10:30 AM EDT
Mr Doherty, I hate to tell you but thinking the way you do is hindering the Irish immigration problem also!! Maybe you should seek a visa to Russia??
jflanagan | Aug 13, 2010, 10:13 AM EDT
So, if we follow Mr. O'Doherty's argument, if you are of a minority group and commit a crime, for anyone to prosecute you, stop you or arrest you, they are racist! Gives all minorities a pass on obeying any laws, don't you think? It's not like only those of hispanic descent are the only illegal aliens, just the majority of illegal aliens if we believe the news organizations and politicians. However, it is not our fault that they come from "slave" countries that hold them back and force them to risk life and limb to find a better way of life. It is the fault of the politically correct who are afraid of slave masters like Vincente Fox and Calderon who allow the corrupt bureaucracy suppress business ventures that could help raise many out of poverty.
hollabackgurl | Aug 13, 2010, 09:44 AM EDT
The real eejit's on here are the one's who throw out the Bill of Rights without a second thought to protect a state from an invasion that's only happened in their terrified little minds. Our Founding Father's would consider you all morons.
HooliganMichael | Aug 13, 2010, 09:33 AM EDT
You can have all the fences, walls, guards and laws you want to keep out illegal’s and they will continue to get here as long as you have Americans still supplying them with jobs, places to stay, and healthcare. All you have to do is have all Americans stop supplying the illegal’s and you won’t need a single yard of fence or wall or spend million upon millions for for the military to watch the borders. The border guards can go back to handling the boarders for safety reasons and not population reasons.
krisdaly | Aug 13, 2010, 09:21 AM EDT
The USA should annex Mexico and make Mexico the 51st state in the Union.
johhnyb | Aug 13, 2010, 09:13 AM EDT
Hard to believe that the writer of this article is serious. Best wishes
bfaulkner | Aug 13, 2010, 09:10 AM EDT
Ahhh...give it up, Doherty, ya eejit! With THIS statement you have proven that you're beyond help: go back to school!! The operative word in Arizona, and in the rest of the USA, for that matter, is ILLEGAL. It is NOT RACIST to oppose illegals [regardless of their race!] who come into the USA to demand FREE benefits that even those born in this country are now being denied, i.e. free health care, free housing, free food,and the list goes on. American citizens on the Arizona border live in constant fear of waking in the middle of the night to find illegals in their own kitchens stealing from their refrigerators. YOU KNOW NOT OF WHICH YOU SPEAK, Doherty...and would ye ever learn to spell your name correctly!!??
DLW12183 | Aug 13, 2010, 09:08 AM EDT
This article isn't worth the time to read it. Another democrat/liberal playing the race card. They just don't want to admit it is about legal vs. illegal entry into this country and the drug smuggling from Mexico. I wish the writer would take a trip to southern Arizona. Next he will say the same of Utah which is considering similiar legislation before their state is overrun and bankrupt. I myself am all for it and plan on a driving trip to Arizona in September but, believe me, I won't venture very far south of road 40.
FatherVol | Aug 13, 2010, 09:04 AM EDT
Oh please! Give me Brewer for President!!!!!!
longislander1940 | Aug 13, 2010, 08:00 AM EDT
FIVE STARS to Gov. Jan Brewer. Why cant she protect her state. These Mexicans come over the border with guns, shoot farmers and livestock and people want them to get away with it? Come on America wake up.
londonirish1965 | Aug 13, 2010, 05:41 AM EDT
As for jobs-immigrants keep wages low ,without them wages for menial jobs would keep rising until indigenous people would do them.We don`t import professionals enmasse so that we can get a lawyer for $8 per hour-so why import other workers?
londonirish1965 | Aug 13, 2010, 05:38 AM EDT
Offspring of immigrants in Ireland legal or illegal are not granted citizenship just because they were dropped there.Its about time America brought in the same policy.
IrishAndProud | Aug 12, 2010, 11:35 PM EDT
correction: that's 'for opposing'
IrishAndProud | Aug 12, 2010, 08:22 PM EDT
Oh, and Hollabackgurl...in addition to my full-time job I also do janitorial work, part-time -- you know, scrubbing toilets, vacuuming, emptying trash...the kind of stuff you say only illegals will do because Americans won't. Oh, well...another leftist bubble popped. And I think I can safely add that in these current economic times especially, there are one hell of a lot of other REAL, legitimate Americans who'd be more than happy to do such work, as well -- if only the illegals weren't there, sucking it all up.
DennisQ | Aug 12, 2010, 06:48 PM EDT
One of our contemporary problems is that laws aren't regularly upgraded for a better "fit" to the problem they're suppose to regulate. Sometimes a dysfunctional law has a built-in constituency that opposes any kind of change. Right wingers have been especially resistant to any sort of upgrades to existing policies - they may or may not recognize the need for such upgrades, but they want to make sure Obama doesn't get credit for what's necessary. America's dysfunctional immigration policies cry out for an upgrade. Unfortunately a system that cannot adapt will be replaced by something, even if whatever emerges is monstrously ineffective and unjust. I believe that Republicans will not regain power until they convince voters they've mended their ways. We'll get immigration reform eventually, whether or not Republicans choose to participate in the process. Wouldn't it be nice if Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich actually tried to accomplish something positive? What a concept! A Republican that wants to solve problems instead of making them worse.
McNabb1966 | Aug 12, 2010, 06:16 PM EDT
More inane pulp fiction from Cahir O'Doherty, Irish Central's resident wingnut. Classic!
jamieLM | Aug 12, 2010, 04:37 PM EDT
Idiotic article. The U.S. has the right to identify those who break U.S. immigration laws by entering this country ILLEGALLY and to deport them. Try to understand the concept of LEGAL immigration vs. ILLEGAL immigration. One is LAWFUL entry into the country and the other is UNLAWFUL entry. And, no, I don't ever think about Obama's birth certificate. I think more about people who break the law and are rewarded for doing so.
DennisQ | Aug 12, 2010, 04:26 PM EDT
It's certainly true that some people come to Arizona for the drug trade; after all, there's a lot of money to be made. But the drug cartels would be replaced by ordinary business people if America had sensible regulation, not just an outright ban, of contraband substances like marijuana. To a large extent, the drug "problem" is the result of the laws against these substances. Why is pot illegal? You can order it online in Manhattan, and they'll bring it to your door like take-out chicken. Two kinds of bad policy make Arizona's problems exponentially worse.
hancock | Aug 12, 2010, 01:32 PM EDT
Listen all you ARIZONA people this guy Cahir from Manhattan knows more about this than you ever will. Stop acting like right wing ethnic cleansers , if that is even possible.
WoundedKnee | Aug 12, 2010, 01:29 PM EDT
O'Doherty is such a fool.
Ajreaper | Aug 12, 2010, 12:14 PM EDT
LOL, good Lord, who's worse- hate groups or the media who greatly exagerate or distort every issue? I live in AZ have for better then 40 years and we ain't laying the groudwork for a race war- hell 1070 is almost exactly the federal law on immigration but written to allow the state to enforce it. Seems like our federal immigration laws, as flawed as they are, have not started any race wars so why should 1070? A completely idiotic piece of writing.
hancock | Aug 12, 2010, 11:04 AM EDT
Who said legal immigrants can't pick lettuce or welfare kings and queens, or God forbid the unemployed.
hollabackgurl | Aug 12, 2010, 10:12 AM EDT
This article tells the truth about SB 1070. It is an invitation to a circular firing squad. It's the worst possible answer to a complex question. I mean are you guys seriously going to pick your own lettuce from now on?
hancock | Aug 12, 2010, 09:58 AM EDT
What else would you expect from a far left Manhattan diary.
Monsoonman | Aug 12, 2010, 09:38 AM EDT
I am not going to dignify this piece with a comment.
IrishAndProud | Aug 12, 2010, 02:38 AM EDT
And once again, Cahir, the non-American agitator who goes about bemoaning provocation between others, apparently cannot (or, more likely, WILL not) tell the difference between a legitimate immigrant (like my Donegal/Derry ancestors) and an illegal alien. Big, slight difference. And blurring those lines does not work, anymore. People notice such an attempt, every single time, now.
IrishAndProud | Aug 12, 2010, 02:29 AM EDT
Well elecktros, barring any specific, substantive rebuffing (on your part) of anything I just said, I guess the feeling's mutual.
elektros | Aug 12, 2010, 01:42 AM EDT
IrishAndProud, you make me ashamed to share an ethnic group with you.
IrishAndProud | Aug 11, 2010, 10:41 PM EDT
Ethnic cleansing...you mean like the kind Barack Obama wants, expunging Jerusalem of Jews (he wants them building no new homes in their own ancient city clear on the other side of the world, after all, whilst of course allowing Arizona to be overrun by illegal aliens from south of the border). Actually, I ultimately agree...white gringo's are being cleansed from Arizona, slowly but surely, by illegal invaders from the south, and from their own government, which A) prohibits them from doing anything about it (despite massive public outcry), and B) ignores so-called 'sanctuary cities,' which openly flaunt and violate federal law (which it won't even enforce). Ahhhh (birds chirping)...the world of the left. Fortunately, this November the people (who, united, can never be defeated) will be performing some POLITICAL cleansing, of their own.