Visit The Information about Ireland Site
The term 'Black Irish' has commonly been in circulation among Irish emigrants and their descendants for centuries. As a subject of historical discussion the subject is almost never referred to in Ireland. There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term, none of which are possible to prove or disprove.
'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes.
A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign people. The Celts arrived on the island about the year 500 B.C.
Whether or not this was an actual invasion or rather a more gradual migration and assimilation of their culture by the natives is open to conjecture, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that this later explanation is more likely.
The next great influx came from Northern Europe with Viking raids occurring as early as 795 A.D. The defeat of the Vikings at the Battle of Clontarf in the year 1014 by Brian Boru marked the end of the struggle with the invaders and saw the subsequent integration of the Vikings into Irish society. The migrants became 'Gaelicized' and formed septs (a kind of clan) along Gaelic lines.
The Norman invasions of 1170 and 1172 led by Strongbow saw yet another wave of immigrants settle in the country, many of whom fiercely resisted English dominance of the island in the centuries that followed. The Plantation of Ulster in the seventeenth century saw the arrival of English and Scottish colonists in Ulster after the 'Flight of the Earls'.
Each of these immigrant groups had their own physical characteristics and all, with the exception of the Ulster Planters, assimilated to some degree into Irish society, many claiming to be 'more Irish than the Irish themselves!'
The Vikings were often referred to as the 'dark invaders' or 'black foreigners'. The Gaelic word for foreigner is 'gall' and for black (or dark) is 'dubh'.
Many of the invaders families took Gaelic names that utilized these two descriptive words. The name Doyle is in Irish 'O'Dubhghaill' which literally means 'dark foreigner' which reveals their heritage as an invading force with dark intentions.
The name Gallagher is 'O Gallchobhair' which translates as 'foreign help'. The traditional image of Vikings is of pale-skinned blond-haired invaders but their description as 'dark foreigners' may lead us to conclude that their memory in folklore does not just depend on their physical description.
The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. Normans are ultimately of French origin where black haired people are not uncommon. As with the Vikings these were viewed as a people of 'dark intentions' who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns.
Many families however integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereuxs, Redmonds.
It is possible that the term 'Black Irish' may have referred to some of these immigrant groups as a way of distinguishing them from the 'Gaels', the people of ultimately Celtic origin.
Another theory of the origin of the term 'Black Irish' is that these people were descendants of Spanish traders who settled in Ireland and even descendants of the few Spanish sailors who were washed up on the west coast of Ireland after the disaster that was the 'Spanish Armada' of 1588.
It is claimed that the Spanish married into Irish society and created a new class of Irish who were immediately recognizable by their dark hair and complexion. There is little evidence to support this theory and it is unlikely that any significant number of Spanish soldiers would have survived long in the war-torn place that was sixteenth century Ireland.
It is striking though how this tale is very similar to the ancient Irish legend of the Milesians who settled in Ireland having traveled from Spain.
The theory that the 'Black Irish' are descendants of any small foreign group that integrated with the Irish and survived, is unlikely. It seems more likely that 'Black Irish' is a descriptive term rather than an inherited characteristic that has been applied to various categories of Irish people over the centuries.
One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. 1847 was known as 'black 47'. The potato blight which destroyed the main source of sustenance turned the vital food black. It is possible that the arrival of large numbers of Irish after the famine into America, Canada, Australia and beyond resulted in their being labeled as 'black' in that they escaped from this new kind of black death.
Immigrant groups throughout history have generally been treated poorly by the indigenous population (or by those who simply settled first).
Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include 'Shanty Irish' and almost certainly 'Black Irish.' It is also possible that within the various Irish cultures that became established in America that there was a pecking order, a class system that saw some of their countrymen labeled as 'black'.
The term 'Black Irish' has also been applied to the descendants of Irish emigrants who settled in the West Indies. It was used in Ireland by Catholics in Ulster Province as a derogatory term to describe the Protestant Planters.
While it at various stages was almost certainly used as an insult, the term 'Black Irish' has emerged in recent times as a virtual badge of honor among some descendants of immigrants. It is unlikely that the exact origin of the term will ever be known and it is also likely that it has had a number of different creations depending on the historical context. It remains therefore a descriptive term used for many purposes, rather than a reference to an actual class of people who may have survived the centuries.
66 Comments
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.bootsjoyce4 | Feb 22, 2011, 02:15 PM EST
My Irish people always referred to me as Black Irish due to my black hair and skin tones. Both my parents of Galway were dark.In the US Army, I had some Hispanic soldiers address me in Spanish. I find this a very interesting topic.
Gemini51 | Oct 31, 2010, 09:27 AM EDT
Very interesting...but my brother was just told after a DNA study that his health problem was due to his Spanish heritage. Both sides of our family have been in North America for hundreds of years primarily migrating from Ireland pre-famine era and marriages over here have been mostly with others of Irish descent.
BallinaLass | Oct 26, 2010, 10:56 AM EDT
To Ms.Gail, who asked about genetic evidence: I read an interesting book a couple years ago called "Saxons, Vikings and Celts: the Genetic Roots of Britain and Ireland." The author, in contrast to this article, found significant evidence that the "legend" of the sons of Mil emigrating from Spain to Ireland was in fact supported by the DNA found in modern Irish. My Dad is "black Irish" - black, wavy hair with green eyes.
lambadafan | Oct 25, 2010, 07:25 PM EDT
The Roman invasion included soldiers from all over europe and the mediterranean, including black africans. Unwilling subjects alway band together against their oppressors. By the time of the roman invasion europe was already well mixed. Keep in mind also that the nordics traded with the middle east using an overland and river route through europe.
countycork | Oct 25, 2010, 03:59 PM EDT
Loved it! Much more information than I'd taken away from a movie, the name of which escapes me now. Anyway, I'm intrigued by all information/history/lore Irish!
snuffey | Oct 21, 2010, 03:26 PM EDT
You forgot the Bicycle Irish. Bicycle Irish are people like Teddy Kennedy, and his clan. They hurt your rear end.
snuffey | Oct 21, 2010, 03:23 PM EDT
You forgot the Bicycle Irish. Bicycle Irish are people like Teddy Kennedy, and his clan.
golfingfan | Oct 20, 2010, 09:25 AM EDT
Reading the other posted comments only adds to this very interesting article.
golfingfan | Oct 20, 2010, 09:17 AM EDT
Very, very interesting. Who would have thought. The title is misleading. I was thinking more in terms of black people with Irish surnames such as Donavan McNabb.
irishtommy | Oct 19, 2010, 05:06 PM EDT
Interesting article...many different cultures settled in Ireland. My grandfather was Thomas Stanislaus Schultz. claimed the family settled in Cork during the British/ Hessian hired invasion of Cromwell era.
staps62 | Oct 19, 2010, 01:33 PM EDT
Interesting article although I agree with with some of the comments that the writer got some facts wrong. Normans were'nt necessarily French and the Viking and saxon invasions from scandanavia started much earlier. I too have heard many definitions for Black Irish...one not mentioned here which I've heard a lot is that its the Irish with the wanderlust...the adventurers. Those that have moved around the world in our diaspora. I'm surprised to see nothing on that? Also it was my belief that the Irish red hair came from scandanivia invasions. And that Poland had the most red-haired people in the world...but I've nothing to support that.
jakeleg | Oct 18, 2010, 05:40 PM EDT
never saw a black with blue eyes anywhere.
plasticpaddy | Oct 18, 2010, 04:31 PM EDT
mcdolan, those Israelis are of European origin not those Israelis with origins in the Middle East. Also the original Irish were fair skinned and not the other way around, just look at the examples of hair samples found in bogs etc. your points have no facts to back them up, or at least not in anyhting I have read. I woudl be interested in what you said if you cna back it up.
Searlit | Oct 18, 2010, 03:46 PM EDT
I was thinking the same thing about the "emigrants" to the West Indies. Like the book, "To Hell or Barbados" by Sean O'Callaghan. Read that and weep.
OGeibhnnaigh | Oct 18, 2010, 01:56 PM EDT
I'm sorry but much of it is "vanilla."-- So much more could have been said about what was mentioned in passing... for examples, the Vikings were in two distinct waves, the latter being mainly Danes, who are often "dark"as compared to the earlier Norse, from whom we & the Scots got our red hair; the "emigrants" to the West Indies? does this refer to the 10s of thousands of Irish slaves shipped out in Cromwell's 1600s rampages???
Searlit | Oct 18, 2010, 11:59 AM EDT
There's a tremendous amount of history preserved in the Irish language. The oral history is much older than the written. Listen to your traditional songs. It's all about the love of people and country. It is right before you.
Ms.Gail | Oct 18, 2010, 10:25 AM EDT
The article was interesting, and so are the comments! Can you publish a story on the genetic research being done on the origins of the Irish gene pool(s), please.
Gaelicpiper | Oct 18, 2010, 09:07 AM EDT
This is a good article. My G-G grandfather's last name was Earl. The family oral history says that his family was from Ireland and were descended from Irish nobility-- thus the origin of the last name Earl. He was described as Black Irish, as well, because he was raw boned and dark skinned. From him, the family is full of red haired, fair skinned descendants. Go figure?
jamieLM | Oct 18, 2010, 09:01 AM EDT
Agree with Katiemac and Morninghours - Normans are of Nordic descent.
mcdolan | Oct 18, 2010, 06:53 AM EDT
I also meant to say that I believe the term 'black' Irish was a derogatory term related to character and beliefs than a particular strain of Irish people.
mcdolan | Oct 18, 2010, 06:49 AM EDT
I agree wholeheartedly with KatieMac...the aboriginal 'Irish' were dark-skinned smallish people genetically related to the Basques (and probably to the aboriginal people of Scotland, the Picts, who were also small and dark skinned). Perhaps they had blue eyes, perhaps not. But the introduction of fair-haired, fair-skinned people is the result of successive invasions and interbreeding, particularly from Scandinavia. (And don't forget the Tuatha De Danaan, who according to legend were tall and fair-skinned.) If red hair and green eyes was a purely 'original' Irish trait, how do you explain Israelis who are natural red/auburn haired? Also, there were only a handful of Spanish Armada survivors who could not possibly have caused a spate of dark-skinned descendants, particularly around the west coast of Ireland. It is the Spanish/Basque influence over successive invasions. The article was well written and interesting, thanks very much.
killowen | Oct 17, 2010, 10:00 PM EDT
youtube clip add the youtube.com slash watch?v=od1H1ktrGh0
errigal | Oct 17, 2010, 08:04 PM EDT
Great what a wonderfull part of history. I was born in Ireland. Very dark hair hazel eyes. Where as my Mother's hair was jet black with beautiful blue eyes. We were from the Northwest Donegal. Such a small island to have so much going on. Travel of course would be by water not land, so who would not want to set foot upon such a beautifull garden of the gods at the time.
eiregirl | Oct 17, 2010, 08:01 PM EDT
Having black hair and blue eyes doesn't mean you are "black Irish", having skin that tans easily and brown is more suggestive of the term. This term is NEVER used in Ireland and is an American label. If you look closely enough, without being rude of course, there are many similarities between the so called Black Irish and people from the Iberian Peninsula (Spain) but really, who cares? At the rate of sun exposure now in Ireland, the genetic make up is changing, and the milky white skin will start to turn brown instead of red.
mandokeith | Oct 17, 2010, 06:48 PM EDT
Especially in American culture it seems the Irish are typically identified by fair shin and red hair, but there are many who do not fit that bill through other cultures blending into the Irish landscape. My Gr.GR. Grandmother was a Martinez from Spain who came to Ireland and maried my Gr.GR. Grandfather. My GR. Grandfather, my Father and his sister and brother were all dark haired. We still have blue eyes in the family 3-4 generations later.
peterson | Oct 17, 2010, 06:38 PM EDT
I believe the Bolands from Norway, came to Ireland as Viking invaders. That is what our family tree suggests.
MacLoughlin | Oct 17, 2010, 06:18 PM EDT
Hello all. among the different definitions of "Black Irish" we must add the people you are descendant of an Irish and African (or of African origin) people. They are spread in U.S.A. and in the West Indies, and, of course, in other places of the world. It is a subject that must be researched. Kind regards Dr. Guillermo MacLoughlin Buenos Aires, Argentina
Searlit | Oct 17, 2010, 05:35 PM EDT
The Celtic Civilization B.C. was spread out all across Europe. Ancient Gaul (now France) and Spain belonged to the Celtic Tribes whose king was Vercingetorix. That was until Julius Caesar conquered Gaul and the Moors conquered Spain. When the Celts came to Ireland it is believed that they came here from Brittany and Spain around 700 B.C. There is also indication that the Firbolg came from Greece.
phearne | Oct 17, 2010, 04:03 PM EDT
My family names are Caldwell and Ahern. Ahearn or Ahern was changed to Hearne on reaching the English colony off the coast of North Carolina, to sound more English and less Irish.We were told we were often called Black Irish,due to our darker (close to olive skin)and hazel eyes.Few redheads in the original family tree.I have hazel eyes,green and brown and used to have very dark brown hair.My father had hazel almost amber eyes, pale skin and brown hair.My mother had very dark auburn hair,blue eyes and light skin.She was told her family were originally Irish and Welsh.There is no record of English,even though the first recorded family had the surname of Mansur and was born in Ireland in the early sixteen hundreds. I wish I had our complete family history. We also have Choctaw and a second native ancestor,probably Cherokee or more likely Melungeon(sp) as the surname is Goings or Goins.Apparently a lost tribe.Interesting article,re the origin of Black Irish.
Searlit | Oct 17, 2010, 03:52 PM EDT
killowen, wasn't there a king who was part of the Dal Riada that was exiled from Ulster, during pre-Christian times? I think he maimed another Royal and was sent to live in Scotland. You probably know about this, as you alluded to those Irish coming back from Scotland laying claim to NI. I suppose "Black Irish" can refer to a lot of things over time, but I really think the Black-haired, Blue-eyed phenomenon predates all these others and is still supported by Sparklet and lots of other Irish people, too.
KMcSinger | Oct 17, 2010, 03:37 PM EDT
Hmm . . . this article put forward a a lot of possibilities, but not very many solutions as to who the black Irish were. At least you didn't try to suggest the old Spanish Armada story. Apparently what few survivors of the wrecks there were, were slaughtered by the Irish natives. The traditional black Irish is black hair, pale skin and blue (not brown) eyes. There is some interesting DNA evidence recently discovered to suggest that Ireland was once settled by a mediterranean people, which may explain it.
joanmoody | Oct 17, 2010, 03:10 PM EDT
I grew up knowing this as my mother was black haired and blue eyed and her brothers were all dark brown haired but she was the only one with blue eyes.
shrinnkie246 | Oct 17, 2010, 02:50 PM EDT
I've never known what the term "black Irish" ment until now. Thanks for a most interesting article.
Greenfire | Oct 17, 2010, 02:28 PM EDT
I agree with KATIEMAC, being of Norman lineage myself.
killowen | Oct 17, 2010, 12:54 PM EDT
Black and its many meanings Evil; wicked: the pirates' black deeds Attended with disaster; calamitous: a black day; the stock market crash - Blight England's usurpation of Erin allowing their subjects to starve .... and her planting of Ian Paisley's Dark Strain of beings who in mid 1700s fell out with mother and fancied themselves as being in union with the aims of the 1798 uprising that would lead to an island of Ireland state. Their motherly benefactor cunningly realized what a nigh deadly mistake she had made and with the powerful propaganda that is hers - commonwealth connect, American founders, the hatred of the church of Rome and Rome's - these Black Irish were back in the saddle again - continuing the tradition of self hatred. Self hatred in line with their claim that they were the Irish who colonized Scotland and had returned to oust the natives - they identify Big Time with Israel. Soiled, as from soot; dirty: feet black from working in mines, on railways, building canals etc.
Sparklet | Oct 17, 2010, 12:39 PM EDT
There is nothing more beautiful than an Irishman with black hair and blue eyes - and not forgetting the black eyelashes. I'll need to go and cool down now.
Sybil Meindl | Oct 17, 2010, 12:35 PM EDT
An informative and interesting article. I learned something new.
lawrence | Oct 17, 2010, 12:17 PM EDT
Very, very informative! Exceptionately so, in that my youngest son, who could be a stand in for Colin Farrel, contrasts so from his siblings. Could it be a touch from some long lost Irish gene? Well done article!
lackeje | Oct 17, 2010, 11:59 AM EDT
My family comes from County Kilkenny, and I have dark hair and hazel eyes. I had a red haired, blue eyed Irish priest from Belfast once tell me that I was "what happened when the English came and stole our women."
Pittsburghkid | Oct 17, 2010, 11:49 AM EDT
Most American nationalities are mixed with other nationalities. My father was the last of the pure Irish, while my mother was Irish/scotch/spanish/swiss. When she would get mad at my father, she would go on a rant about the black hearted Irish. When she got older, then she would say you know your father was right. I believe this hardness or black heart comes from the nature of Ireland. Ireland was a nation of warring clans. Out of these warring clans came to trates, good fighters and policians. My father tought me to be a good fighter, and polician. From my teens until my twenties, my father and I would exchange blows in fights. If I had my legs open, then he'd knee me, and it hurt. Of course he'd yell at me during these fights. When we were not fist fighting, then we were arguing. I never grew up to be a barroom brawer, but if I'm attacked then I know how to handle myself. Arguing with words, I'm good at. When I was pre-teen, my father would not permit back talk. We stand face to face with his arms folded, and he would tell me what I was doing wrong. If I would talk back, then his arm would come uncrossed and back hand me across the face. As a child, I thought this was terrible, but as an adult, I see it as good training. It tought me how to keep my mouth shut, when necessary. Although I'm proud of my mother's Americanism, I'm gratiful for my father's Irish.
irishbob | Oct 17, 2010, 11:43 AM EDT
My grandfather told me a story that his father told him about what it was like when he came over from to America. Being Catholic in 1840s New York did not sit well with the Protestants. Being Catholic does not sit well with them today, either. However, he said work was impossible to find because, as he remembered, the Irish Catholics were referred to as Black Irish. The Catholics were barred from almost every place, with signs reading “No Dogs or Irish.” Therefore, being Irish and Catholic, I am proud to be Black Irish.
RielleBaer | Oct 17, 2010, 11:39 AM EDT
My mother's sister was fond of the story of Armada soldiers and sailors being the origin of the Black Irish. But then she was a classic storyteller, and a newspaper reporter. That side of my family was half Irish and half German... Troys and McCartys and McCarthys were my mother's mother's families while my maternal grandfather was named Schaefers and he was from Bavaria. But I got another dose of Irish from my father's mother whose maiden name was Mahoney.
thomas409 | Oct 17, 2010, 11:36 AM EDT
Black Irish were not all fair skinned with blue eyes, they were usually pock-marked and had blood-shot eyes and reeked of potsheen.
CitizenWhy | Oct 17, 2010, 11:28 AM EDT
The dark Irish were already in Ireland when the Celts arrived. The most closely relate people genetically to the Irish are the Basques of Spain, the original Europeans, a dark featured people. My mother from Ireland, by the way, was raven haired, with brown, almost black eyes, and a slight olive tinge to her otherwise light complexion. Her brother, a platinum blond, otherwise looked like her twin.
thomas409 | Oct 17, 2010, 11:28 AM EDT
as schoolboy in Edinburgh, we had a lot of lads who were ofIrish origin one was named D-ARCY. Think you he was of the Norman invadors?
Pittsburghkid | Oct 17, 2010, 11:25 AM EDT
Black Irish, who decended from Spanish Sailor do exsist. A famious Irish actor named Bert Convy claimed to be a decendent from one of those Spanish Sailors. Bert Convy 1933-1991 was a regular on the Johnny Carson show. Bert had looked Mediterrian with olive skin and black hair, even though his family was from Ireland. As a matter of fact Bert would do Johnny Carson St Patrick Shows.
manhattan | Oct 17, 2010, 11:06 AM EDT
Growing up my mother called Protestants black hearted not black Irish because of their hatred for Catholics. She explained that there was a Protestant guy in her crowd in her New York City neighborhood named Kelly. His family disowned him because he married a Catholic girl. Black Irish to me, meant black hair and blue eyes.
Searlit | Oct 17, 2010, 10:45 AM EDT
If you follow the langusge, the term Finn meant fair-haired and Dubh meant dark-haired. I know there were ancient people that were darker skinned that were called the Fomorians, but I'll go with what my Irish-American family told me growing up. It meant black-haired, blue-eyed Irish. I had an uncle who had black hair and brown eyes, and he wasn't considered Black Irish. Black Irish, were considered the most attractive of the Irish. There was no negative connotation , at all.
Warprunner | Oct 17, 2010, 10:38 AM EDT
I think this was done with great finesse and forethought. Well written article. I am a Doyle and both sides of my family are Irish. I have Red and black hair in my family. All pale skin. Hard to determine anything at this point of the name and thats exactly how the author put it. Just gave some reasonalbe possibilities. I also heard that the darkness was the Armor color.
mhichil | Oct 17, 2010, 10:29 AM EDT
Ireland; the original melting pot!
maire51 | Oct 17, 2010, 10:24 AM EDT
In our family we were told that the Black Irish, like my maternal grandfather Patrick Connor, were related to the Spanish that arrived in Ireland over he centuries, and that the redheads were from the Vikings invasions. All therories are interesting.
lucypeanut | Oct 17, 2010, 10:07 AM EDT
My Mother's family is true Ireland. Blond, blue eyes. I have been told that my Father is Black Irish. He had black curly hair and blue eyes. Just regular complection. Could he be black irish?
DoubleDoc | Oct 17, 2010, 10:06 AM EDT
This is an intelligent article but (I think) that largely misses the main point. There is nothing foreign about the "Black Irish." The article gets closest to the truth with the reference to the Milesians. Dark Irish descend from the pre-Celtic mix.
jakeleg | Oct 17, 2010, 09:51 AM EDT
I believe the James Joyce theory.
oldboreen | Oct 17, 2010, 09:50 AM EDT
A timely and informative article! I can claim to be '100% ethnic Irish',(both parents and all ancestors as far back as I can trace)and it's nonsense of course!. We are like every other racial group in Europe-a wonderful mix of foreign bloodlines.I have met Irish who would deny that with passion, but it's true never the less.I'm proud of my distant Norman French, Scottish and yes-English blood, and they are the just the ones I am aware of! Spanish? yea that would be nice!
BishopSean | Oct 17, 2010, 09:09 AM EDT
Let's remember the Black Irish from the Caribbean. Famine ships left Irish on the islands and they intermarried with blacks. They gave the needy Irish an adoptive home. Courtney Walsh of Jamaica was an outstanding cricketer a decade back. Argentina did the same and there's a great Irish colony there too.
PolinDeB | Oct 17, 2010, 08:17 AM EDT
@Towngate yeah and in 1939, every jew in ireland was issued with a new identity so if hilter invaded, they wouldn't exist in ireland either... uncle pedro... he's a mute..
PolinDeB | Oct 17, 2010, 08:14 AM EDT
Normans?? From Normandy? wow.. not viking's... Got some of them too ....
PolinDeB | Oct 17, 2010, 08:13 AM EDT
I'm black Irish.. it's those of olive skin whose great-something shagged a Spaniard from the Armada... everyone knows this... at least in Ireland...
murphy66 | Oct 17, 2010, 01:19 AM EDT
Sorry, "relinquished."
murphy66 | Oct 17, 2010, 01:16 AM EDT
Make that "relinquished."
murphy66 | Oct 17, 2010, 01:12 AM EDT
James Joyce had it right--a black Irishman is one who has relinguished his Catholic faith and wanders the world seeking a suitable substitute, but, of course, never finding one.
Towngate | Oct 16, 2010, 08:33 PM EDT
Excellent article. Thanks. Morninghours has it spot on. Forflann's mum, however, forgot to mention the 'law' issued that every Spaniard Armada survivor who came ashore in Ireland was to be killed on sight. The penalty for not doing so was DEATH! More info on such practices at Spanish Point, Co Clare in ClareLibraries.ie
gaeilgesdamhsa | Oct 16, 2010, 07:36 PM EDT
The theory I've always heard is that of the origin of the term 'Black Irish' is that these people were descendants of Spanish traders who settled in Ireland and descendants of the Spanish sailors who were washed up on the west coast of Ireland after the disaster that was the 'Spanish Armada' of 1588.
Morninghours | Oct 16, 2010, 06:04 PM EDT
A very interesting article. However, its claim that the Normans "are ultimately of French origin" differs from what I've read, which is that the Normans were of Viking origin. That is, when the Vikings were terrorizing the French, along with everyone else, the French made a deal with them: Quit attacking us, and we'll give you your own region of France. The Vikings went for the deal, and named the land "Normandy." In fact, the term "Norman" comes from "Norsemen." After a century or two, the new Normans adopted the language, religion, and customs of France, but genetically, they were still basically a Nordic people.
forflann | Oct 16, 2010, 03:28 PM EDT
Gee, and my mum said it was because of the ship wreaked Spanish sailors from the storm that helped the English defeat the Spanish armada.