1641 massacre of Protestants by Catholics a fiction says experts

why cant the catholic church admit the murder of protestants in ireland which sometimes carried the papel bull

Actually, experts did NOT say it was 'fiction' as described in this headline but that a lot of the dispositions was hearsay. Were in this article did the experts say a massacre did not happen?? Thousands of people were murdered but not the 100s of thousands as claimed in propaganda at the time. I'm sure if this was about a catholic massacre IrishCental.com would be a lot more accurate with their headlines... but then Patrick O'Brien probably doesn't regard protestants as 'real' Irish.

OLLY WAS A MANIC DEPRESSIVE: Having fought to overcome his poor health trying and knock Democracy into the Parliament of the Big Island, it is understandable that he was not going to be as patient with the paddies next door. WE all brag about our Precious Democracy and forget how many people we have killed trying to impose it! ~ ~ ~ If it wasn't for Cromwell we would still be bowing and scraping to our Royal Masters Ruling by Devine Right! Irish voters,don't forget to exercise the right he fought to get for you! Go out and VOTE!

well to the victors go the spoils & a chance to rewrite history from their point of view, this has occurred throughout history & continues in irish history as well

Sounds logical to me. Not unlike what still happens in this day and age. Surprised recently to meet people (Irish) who actually admire Cromwell and what he achieved.

as noted by shankill below, a very selective part of the actual statement was produced, the argument seems to be that only 4,000-12,000 were killed instead of 20,000. The purile comments of the RC church also make the case for a holy war against the prods. of course to most republicans the prods have never be acceptable as 'irishmen', wolfe must be spinning in his grave, not that it won't be floated down the shannon once the PIRA UI is in force, or he maybe the last prod in ireland. RA needs to have everybody believing that the 1641 massacres didn't occur, because, everyone around the world are ignorant of the prods being persecuted before the 26 county republic came into being

I'm an atheist, but I'm sure if there were a hell, then Cromwell would be there

Therefore there is not enough proof to say it didn't happen and if that is the case the presumption of innocents is paramount.

seanomelbourne..All I'm saying is there is not enough proof to say it didn't happen..It is understood that it did happen. You can jump to conclusions that they were falsified..I don't think so..I don't see any proof that they didn't happen..As an Irish nationalist, I'm not going to take away a protestant massacre without solid proof.I'm after the truth and there is not enough proof.Ulster Unionist's have their grievances too and to undermine what is at the moment historically true would be wrong.

Academics from the University of Aberdeen have been given a £334,000 grant to examine the depositions of English and Scottish settlers about the masscre of Protestants in Ulster in 1641. The 4,000 depositions are held in Trinity College Dublin and describe the events of that terrible time. The historians will use cutting-edge software to examine and cross-reference names, places, words and phrases in an effort to establish just how many people were murdered. The most recent estimates put the figure at between 4,000 and 12,000. There can be no doubt that the Irish rebels had a sectarian motivation. Writing on 7 December 1641 Father Hugh Bourke, at that time commisary of the Irish Friars Minor in Germany and Belgium, admitted that the war was ‘begun solely in the interest of the Catholic and Roman religion’. [Jesuit Plots p 163; Report on Franciscan Manuscripts, Command Paper 2867, HMSO 1906] Indeed the fact that this was a Roman Catholic rebellion against Protestantism was acknowledged by the Jesuit writer Oliver P Rafferty in his history of Roman Catholicism in Ulster: 'The bloody Ulster uprising of 1641 ... represented ... a spontaneous outpouring of hatred against Protestantism and all it stood for.' [Catholicism in Ulster 1603-1983 p 1] But what was the extent of the massacre? In the past there were grossly exaggerated figures but even if it were only 4,000 or 12,000 people it was still a dreadful massacre and left a dreadful legacy of hatred and fear. Even the lower figure of 4,000 is greater than the number of people killed in the recent Troubles in Northern Ireland and yet the killing happened at a time when the Protestant population of Ulster was much smaller, around 100,000. Furthermore it happened in a much shorter period and in addition to those who were murdered, many others died as a result of ill treatment and deprivation.

if u read the full text of the statement there are still 4,000-12,000 protestants killed, all they are debating is that Cromwell falsified his records to record the number of victims at 20,000, as the historical statements are taken from both catholic & protestants witnesses. Also there is no denial of the Portadown massacre

The Irish are normally the victims. Let Oliver Cromwell rot in hell!

Cromwell would not have hesitated to manufacture false accounts of violence if it enabled hime to take "revenge" upon Catholics - or anyone else who opposed his views. Just an all-around nice guy. Remember, news was not spread quickly, so the first account - true or false - was the first acted upon.

Was the slaughter in Drogheda contrived as well?

A short one, anyone old enough to remember the American films about Cowboys and Indians, it was always a one sided story.