No winner in Kennedy - bishop abortion standoff

'liseuxx' For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Seventh day and consecrated it. For the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. Not the First day as Sunday is 'liseuxx' But Sunday is the day the Romans set aside to worship the Sun God as can is modelled in the so called Monstrance that is an icon of the Sun. That you worship on Sun-day

They THINK they don't have to go to Church.... What about that 3rd Commandment- Keep holy the Sabbath day? For Catholics that's Sunday and it involves worshiping God in commmunion with the Body of Christ.

Some people say anything so they don't have to go to church

greenbuddha- How come no one says the Church should have its tax exempt status removed for meddling in affairs of state when we feed the hungry and clothe the naked? Feeding the poor is often politicized too- as to whom gets the money. Can't have it both ways.

Truth wins. The good bishop has advised Mr. Kennedy to not present himself for Holy Communion because of his suppport of abortion. It is scandalous to the faithful that a "Catholic politician" says that abortion is a "right" for women. Because the bishop is doing his job- truth wins. If Kennedy has publically sinned by making abortion acceptable, possible, and allowable, he must make a public repudiation before he presents himself for Communion. Abortion is murder, and we should protect the most vulnerable among us.

I agree. Here in America, one is safer in a Catholic school because of the policies protecting youngsters than one is in a public school.

That last comment was so full of logical fallacies, I don't know where to begin...so I won't, they are obvious enough.

It never ceases to amaze me that the Catholic hierarchy is so determined to speak out on behalf of unborn children, but they continue to do nothing about the soul murders of so many people who were sexually murdered by predatory priests while they were innocent children or vulnerable adults. If this isn't the epitome of hypocrisy, I don't know what is!!!

Nobody wins but the Bishop gets to test the ground on how far he can push parishioners before they leave the church. The choice to terminate is a horrendous one. Opting out of a po-faced, unforgiving church is nothing in comparison. If the Bishop is happy with a smaller communion and being less and less relevant to today's world, then of course, I'm happy for him.

Because churches are so deep into politics, they need to loose their tax exempt status.

It's about time Catholic Bishops started defending the true teachings of the Catholic Faith. Over 70 million Americans have now been killed in the abortion holocaust. And disgusting as it may be, certain career politicians in their youth knew that if they supported the abortion holocaust, ie, the mass killing of their own country men and women!They were guaranteed millions and millions of free publicity in America's newspapers to help them gain name recognition.If a politician or journalist's legacy is,that he supported the killing of weak and defenseless human beings, then what does he really stand for?

jacersisityourself, The problem of communication is that it is people often talking past each other. You will never make me believe that individual bishops or Pope's do not choose to emphasize church doctrine according to the political environment. If McNamara's citation is correct, Bishop Tobin is not in tune with Pope John Paul II.

Nah, hardshell - the Church's teachings are firm - when a baby is conceived, it has a soul given to it by God. That soul is due a right to live in the body that it has been chosen by God to be conceived in. No Pope ever has said otherwise, from St. Peter down through the ages. Destruction of the creation that the soul lives in is murder of it's God-created soul, never mind of it's human-created existence. Alaskas' Palin at least recognised that - herself, her husband and the baby enjoy that realsisation today.

In 1999, it would have been a different Pope and a different set of marching orders.

My personal beliefs, for myself, are that that abortion ends a human life. However, I am to the decision that we would be better to take the abortion debate out of politics, where it is continually used by politicians who partakes in every war, funding cuts to the poor, to the sick and yet, when they are looking for votes, stands up and declares he is against abortion. In Brazil, where abortion is illegal, there are about a million abortions a year. Now everyone of those individuals, one day, will have to stand before their Creator and be judged for that decision, not Patrick Kennedy, or a possibly politically oriented Bishop. When Rudy Guliani stated his position he said: I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded.(Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999) ...And to my disbelief, the Pope served him Communion at ST.Patrick's Cathedral during his last visit to the United States. How can you rationalize the application of Church doctrine in that case? I hope the day when leaders pick "when to get religion" ultimately, to get votes, is drawing to a close.