Irish should know better than to demonize Muslims given their own history

eibhleann7 - which people are those, i take it you are referring to the ulsterman who have been living in NI for 400 years, if you were to follow yr own analogy, ireland would probably have a pop of 15m as the US would still belong to the indians. we probably wouldn't have been able to sustain this pop many years ago, i'm sorry, but get some logical perspective.

Being treated like a criminal in your own country, and having immigrants refuse to assimilate or show any consideration to a country that was good enough to allow them access (when no one else wanted them, mind you) are two total different things. When in Rome, do like the Romans, and if they don't do, kick them the feck out! Peter King may seem a bit of a nutter, but he sees the whole picture of what is happening, and refuses to let it happen. Unlike Ireland, that has already gotten rid of it's own language to appease people that shouldn't even be there in the first place....

<<< (From below) Now you might ask... Why should I, as a Catholic, a Christian, say that? Well, I’ll tell you why... A Saudi Government official, a member of the Saudi ‘Royal’ family, no less, told me so, speaking to me in his own words of Saudi Arabia’s history that only he and his family knew about and which only confirmed what we all who are privileged to live outside Saudi Arabia and its Sunni/Shiite environs already know. He told me that Saudi Arabia wants and needs to be shut of its religious imams and such (sound familiar?). They don’t want all the Hajj pilgrims coming to their country; they can’t cope with so many millions visiting their country because there is not enough water for all of them as they pilgrim in that otherwise deserted desert land. Contrast that with Catholic pilgrims visiting Lourdes’ miraculously springing waters. Yes, ALL should demonise Islam but not its unfortunate strangle-held Muslims. >> We should all work to enable their release from that false belief, that false religion and that false prophet called Muhammad – we might say “no peace be upon him” for the way he selfishly abused and rejected the message of the Christians passing through his village, their message of Allah’s gift of life to him - and all that his selfish desire for power has brought about upon our human world since – not a single drop of Love. But we know, as human beings, anyone can get it wrong, and we ask God’s forgiveness on Muhammad for his mistakes ‘cos as a human being, you wouldn’t wish hell on any other human being. Demonise Islam for all we can... but not its misled followers.

You know, I can’t help but feel that I’m not sorry to put forward, as a man who has lived amongst Muslim people in their own lands for quite some years and as one who has experienced almost every facet of their lives (witnessing beheadings, chopped-off heads hanging on public street lampposts, stonings-to-death, no qualms about or for justice of wife-beatings, vicious one-line 3-times spoken-in-seconds divorces, family castings-out and hand-choppings, all excluded by my own decision despite invitations to witness these aspects of Islamic life and belief), that every Irish man, every Irish woman, every Irish-American, every American, everyone of any Christian sect, everyone of any Jewish sect and every other human being outside of the false world of Islam, should stand up and say in truth “Look it, Islam is a false religion based on false premises by a false prophet, spread only by terror. So don’t you think we should be telling the people of Islam who believe in Islam that? And that, instead, we should be encouraging them to dump Islam, to be free of it and welcome them into our non-Islamic world?” >>> If any Muslim - and I really mean any Muslim – is challenged so by non-Islamists and still refuses to accept our invitations, I suggest that they be placed on an aircraft, at our freely offered tax-paying expense world-wide, to be transported “home” to the land that gave them the false religion they hold so dearly to - and let them get on with what they believe in, locked in amongst themselves. That would be a sociological experiment on its own: to see how many, after a locked-in generation or two or three, still have a marriage, still riches, still have hands or still have... well, their own heads. >>> (Above)

sirpeter - it's not possible to list all rights/wrongs of any country in respect to miscarriages of justice. I am surprised that u haven't mentioned Ken Barrett as he was sentenced to life for the murder of Finucane, when it has been obviously to all of us who have studied terrorism (at college) that he was in fact the driver, not the shooter. Finucane was an adviser to the republican movement, i have seen articles to that effect from my sources in the south, in fact, at a dublin college a few years back we questioned a senior garda detective about lawyers in the north who actively advised/were involved in PIRA, needless to say he wouldn't comment on specific cases, but said that in certain cases the 'brits' have kept evidence back for enquiries into specific deaths. The bloody sunday enquiry while establishing correctly the innocence of the people shot, did produce 2 new nuggets of information.

kickstar - interesting comparison u make about the muslims being disliked because they want to replace our culture with their own. Not too different from either the republican or loyalist paramilitaries here in ulster as both were seeking the ascendancy of their cultural values over the other & given PIRAs campaign against the orange order et al, no prod culture to be allowed sounds the same ideas as the muslim brotherhood. That's why the baron's comments made no sense here in the falls, unless he hates the prods that much that he is willing to countenance anybody, but them in his UI. For the fallsters, we may not have much in common with the prods, but at least they speak the same language!

maloney You are 100% spot on, there is no comparison between us guys in England in the 70s and what people there are being asked to accept now, I was in London the day the Birmingham bombs went of. I demonstrated for the release of the Birmingham six and the Guilford four over the years I was there. But these Muslims I have no time for and any moron who is trying to find a common bond between what we lived through and what these guys are selling well is just that a moron. The agenda of Islam is to take over our society and culture, they have no respect for us and consider us 'Infidel'. They will be very nice to us and seem very obliging and supportive until they can move against us, there was even a few of them running for the Dail in the recent election, and them just in the country a wet Wednesday, They cannot wait to take over. If you want to see how tolerant and kindly they are, Go to Saudi Arabia and see if you can find a Christian Church, Just recently the only Christian member of Pakistan's Parliament was assassinated by those lovely tolerant members of the Religion of peace and love, Who have so much in common with us.....If you want to insult us.

FallsRNat..Nice of you to leave out the Guildford Four,it wasn't forensic evidence there,but forced confessions.You can get a confession out of anybody if you can torture him for seven days. Evidence withheld from the defense. The English will sh*t on anybody when they feel like it. It's so easy arguing against British justice because there isn't any justice when it doesn't suit them. By the way..Seamus here you go again with a vague statement regarding Pat Finucane..What surprises are in store? More dreamland stuff.The enquiry hasn't taken place yet and already you have surprises..It wasn't loyalist paramilitaries who killed him,but the pope. You and your proddy's are the Hans Christian Anderson of the Falls road.

when the Pat Finucane enquiry takes place, there will be a few surprises in store for the irish people.

There is no comparison between the IRA, Irish and the muslims. One has nothing to do with the other. Life will get much better for the Irish when they figure this out. It's not apples to apples, understand?

i think that it is pretty irrelevant that King was a gung ho supporter of PIRA, what he did was create an image that within certain boundaries a terrorist could be re-labelled as a freedom fighter. Along comes al qaeda, blows them to shite & suddenly King has seen the light, he can't have it both ways - there is no such thing as 1 man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter - they are either all terrorists or all freedom fighters. I remember the baron saying that after the 7/7 bombings in london that he was outraged when a mosque was attacked in belfast & that the muslims could relocate to the nationalist areas, well that didn't go down to well with the fallsters, we weren't about to raise the islamic flag over the divis.

sirpeter - nobody knew the birmingham 6 was innocent at the time as they were convicted on forensic evidence, it was only through the re-examination of this evidence in the 80s that detected supposed explosive contamination scent from playing cards were detected. in comparison with the brits, the failings of 1 particular FBI lab in the US has the potential to reopen 10,000 criminal convictions. There have been many unsafe convictions in the ROI, Europe & beyond because of the way DNA was used in the 70s to convict people. The brits cannot be singled out alone.

Kilsally, let's put aside the IRA for a minute and talk about Peter King going after home grown (and yes arabs) who are trying to find ways to kill us. Peter King tried, as so many Irish Americans did ,to get peace between the Catholics and Proestants in the north. He favored Sinn Fein because of the years Catholics suffered under the Ulster rulers. What proof do you have that he ever supported the bombings and killings by the IRA. He is doing what has to be done to keep us safe. Thank God for him.

manhattan - the problem is Peter King was a virulent supporter of Sinn Fein-IRA (since cooled due to virulent marxist anti-americanism within sinn fein and other dissident `republicans`) but is now supporting similar measures in the US that the UK implemented.

What else were the police in Britain to do when it was the IRA who were setting off bombs in London? And now Mr. Dooley takes pot shots and Peter King for trying to keep us safe from fanatic Arabs who want to kill us. The British police didn't question norwegians because they weren't a threat. And thanks to Peter King it isn't norwegians where watching instead it's a real enemy and Mr. Dooley stop the bloody hand wringing and stay back in your safe country of Ireland.