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Yet another Irish Times columnist attacks Irish American identity as not Irish

Why certain self-important Irish writers will never accept their American cousins


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In the Opinion & Analysis section of this past weekend’s Irish Times, there is a piece by columnist Donald Clarke, entitled, “Americans, if you want the full Irish, take it.”  It is an attack on this website and on Irish America, or at least certain sections of Irish America.

Mr. Clarke cynically starts by telling his readers that “I just adore IrishCentral,” which he describes as “a little corner of the internet where the air is permanently soft and lilting melodies underscore every homesick pang.“

The site, he says, “provides endless succor to rubicund men in green blazers throughout the United States.”

A little fact checking might have helped out. Actually, the majority of the one million monthly unique  readers of the site are female and are in the 25-44 bracket, according to Comscore and Google Analytics.

Mr. Clarke then takes a few pot shots at features on IrishCentral.

He eventually comes to the one IrishCentral story that he does approve of. Unsurprisingly, he likes the recently published “Top 10 reasons why some Irish-Americans have no real clue about Ireland.” 

He notes that the story engendered a vigorous debate in the comments section on defining “Irishness.”  Mr. Clarke devotes most of the rest of the column to comprehensively debunking the “myth” that Irish-Americans can define themselves as Irish. He employs the caricatures of the “eighth generation O’Hara” and the bar stool republican in Queens to concretise what he is really getting at. Mr. Clarke has little use for Irish America or Irish-Americans.
 
As an Irish-American living in Ireland, the question of defining “Irishness” is one I am often confronted with. When people on either side of the Atlantic ask me what I consider myself to be, I somewhat cautiously reply that I am a bit of both. My caution stems from my cognisance of the extraordinarily narrow definition of “Irishness” that a vocal minority here in Ireland subscribes to.

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In the eyes of this vocal minority – despite the fact that I have an Irish surname and hold an Irish passport through ancestry; despite the fact that I have Irish relations with whom I am close; despite the fact that my Irish-American political family has a strong track record of advocacy on Ireland’s behalf; despite the fact that I have worked, paid taxes and voted here for more than a decade; despite the fact that I am married to an Irish woman; despite the fact that I closely monitor and talk and write knowledgeably about Irish politics and current affairs; and despite the fact that I follow Irish sports – I cannot, nor will I ever be able to, identify myself as Irish.
 
For Mr. Clarke and all too many others in the small coterie of disproportionately influential people in Dublin who shape the contours of Ireland’s civic discourse, the notions that there is an Irish America and that there are people in the United States who can identify themselves as Irish are preposterous. While Mr. Clarke chooses the “eighth generation O’Hara” as the poster boy for Irish America, I can just as easily point to a “first generation Naughton.” He’s a good friend who was born in Boston to a father from east Galway and a mother from Connemara and raised in the Irish-American enclave of East Milton, Massachusetts. He is an Irish citizen by birth, travels on an Irish passport, visits Ireland regularly to see his aunts, uncles and first cousins in the west of Ireland and proposed to his now wife on Bray Head in Co. Wicklow. The question is not how can he be considered Irish, but how can he not?
 
Mr. Clarke would surely say that his Boston birth and upbringing mean that Naughton is American, period. It’s just not that simple. Given Ireland’s long and tragic history of forced emigration, it is both folly and an affront to those displaced from this small island to deny that emigrants and their offspring can still identify themselves as a part of it.  As such, Mary Robinson was right to use her presidency as a bully pulpit to reach out to these millions of people who comprise the Irish diaspora.    
 
Most of Mr. Clarke’s ilk would begrudgingly say that Irish America and Irish- Americans, as much as they despise the idea of both, have to be endured because of what might be in it for Ireland.  Recent history shows that there has been a lot in it. From the Irish-Americans who convinced the Clinton administration to intervene in the northern peace process, to those who have brought multinational companies and thousands of jobs “home,” to those spearheading various cultural and educational initiatives that benefit both of our countries, Ireland’s longstanding and ongoing efforts to foster a special relationship with its diaspora in the United States have paid significant dividends.
 
The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland recognize this reality and cherish the special relationship they have with their American cousins. They good naturedly put up with the, at times, over the top “paddywhackery” and the admittedly embarrassing behavior of some visiting Irish-Americans. But a vocal minority can’t bring themselves to grin and bear it. They refuse to accept that Americans of Irish descent can feel such a special connection to their ancestral home.  Notwithstanding the fact that many Irish-Americans want to act affirmatively on their heartfelt connection, this vocal minority has no use for them.
 
They will never recognize a Donnelly or a Naughton as one of their own. In fact, as Mr. Clarke’s column makes clear, this vocal minority will heap scorn on the very idea of it.  They aren’t shy about making it known how they feel about us. So I won’t be shy about letting them know, in polite terms, how I feel about them.
 
They are self-important. They are small-minded. They are smug. They are snobbish. And they are wrong.     
 
Larry Donnelly is a Boston attorney who has lived and worked in Ireland since 2001.  He is a Law Lecturer at NUI Galway.


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Eireannach, "What most Europeans don't realize is how badly Americans need to identify with a "homeland" in Europe." "Despite the fact that Americans have more German....BLAH BLAH BLAH." "IRISH people have Irish DNA and blood going back into ancient history on the island." I was born in NY. My father was an emigrant to America in the 1950's. My grandfather emigrated to NY in the 1920's. I have "Irish DNA and blood going back into ancient history on the island.' And yes, all Irish, there is no other blood mixed in with that. But under your assumption, which we all know about assumptions, I would come over there and be told I am 'not Irish". Yet by your own definition, I am Irish. So really, what is YOUR problem? Does it make you feel good to say to someone who obviously meets your own criteria for being Irish, "You are not Irish?" What, really, is the point of that? All my ancestors are Irish. Every single one. There is not one person in my bloodline who was not. Not one. In fact, a law was passed, in recognition of the extreme number of people who HAD to leave Ireland, to give then an opportunity to come back, if your parent or grandparent had to leave. Well guess what? I am one of those. And I do have a passport that states I am an Irish citizen. So, by your own reasoning, I am Irish. And by Irish law, I am Irish. So, why does that bother you so much?
Religion is culture..........which group more faithfully and enthusiastically celebrates Catholicism???? I'd say the Irish-Americans more so than the Irish. Numbers count too...do the math, 60 million vs. 4 million.
The subservient anglo-oriented Dublin establishment is much less Irish than the descendants of the real indigenous population who were displaced to the U.S. (without whom there would be no independent Ireland). Most of the emigrants were disproportionately from the West and descended from the Irish aristocracy in the central and eastern parts of the Country whose land was targeted and stolen after the Cromwellian slaughter (even old anglo land holders such as Edmund Spenser's son were targetted and forced to transplant to the West). The more common types were allowed to remain in central/eastern areas to provide labor to the new anglo planters. Therefore, the easterners who display the types of obnoxious attitudes depicted in the article are Irish in a very diluted sense and it is unclear how they would be able to identify as a distinct group in any respect.
so kind of mr. clarke(is that really an irish name)for sharing his self hatred with the world.without those of his ilk the irish americans would stay ignorant of the slavish attitudes so common among the established sycophants who loot ireland of wealth and attempt to inculcate a sense og inferiority in its inhabitants. the success of the irish americans should be imitated by the irish people and those like mr. clarke migth be more comfortable establishing themselves amongst their brethern in a class ridden britain. arise one more time and show the gombeen men the wharf.
he is backed up with whiskey farrts once he relieves himself by blasting gas out of his hindquarters , he will be okay but everyone back away from him as he sits on his bar stool and lifts an azz cheek for that will be a sign of a major eruption
BTW Donald Clarke like most Irish Times writers is not native Irish, and would like to be British according to a recent article!
What Europeans may not realise is how badly Americans need to identify with a 'homeland' in Europe. Despite the fact that most Americans have more German, and possibly Scottish/English blood they seem to feel that they can 'choose' which 'strand' they want to identify with and often for some reason, it is Irish (though in truth many are more likely to be of Scots Irish descent than native Irish). That is why they don't always get the reception that they want when they 'come home'. Irish people simply don't understand the mentality. To them they are Americans/Yanks and should be proud of that - without forever trying to 'blend in'. Irish people have Irish DNA and blood going back into ancient history on the island. They don't have some long dead ancestor who may have been Irish. All their ancestors are Irish. That = Irish. Irish (or any) ancestry is fine. But to claim 'I'm Irish!' is to invite eye rolling and mirth or ridicule. Think about it!
You know what they say about haters...they gotta hate.
You know there are people in all countries who are just completely worthless. And so many times they write columns for some archaic news rag. We, the fair skinned, reddish haired people in the United States don't give a big rat's ass what these so called experts say or think. I was in Ireland a couple of years ago and I was treated like gold. I was advised to get out of Dublin as fast as possible in order to see what Ireland really is. And I did. Once outside that circle of tourist traps I found the Irish people to be wam, friendly, and very proud of their country. They didn't care if I was from America or Antarctica they were just pleased that I also loved their country. So call me Irish American or any other name you want, but this one guy is thankful that the vast majority of the "real" Irish just love people of all sorts. And I bet if you took a poll the majority of them would wish these so called journalists would make a one way trip to any damned where but Ireland.
Larry, Is it possible to show the hypocrisy of this thinking by asking these critics if they would think of a second generation Chang or Pollasky living in Ireland as 100% Irish then? By their own logic these people would be purely Irish... there is no cultural or ethnic difference right? It's hard to believe people who think this way really lack the critical thinking to understand that much of the problem lies in the use of the word Irish to describe both a nationality and an ethnicity (perhaps it's not a true ethnicity but I was told the Irish use it as an ethnic term). Why is it that when I say I'm Irish, many Irish seem to think that means I think I understand what it's like to live in Ireland? Don't they have the thought process to understand we are speaking of a genetic connection? I agree with you that much of it just a prejudicial snobbishness. It reminds me of the same sort of insular attitude one often finds in a small town. How tragic that the diaspora are treated worse than strangers of a different ethnicity. My sister and I visited Ireland and the 1/4 French, 3/4 Irish bus driver who had just relayed to my sister about how he was taunted and rejected throughout his life due to his French last name in Ireland responded sarcastically that he was sure "She was more Irish than the Irish" when she gingerly spoke of her Irish-American heritage. He obviously failed to see the irony of how he was treating my sister and the prejudices he faced.
In response to hooligan6a: Northern Ireland is part of the UK because that's how most people there want it. That part of the island has a different history, culture and demographics than the south and the will of the majority there needs to be respected.
"For Mr. Clarke and all too many others in the small coterie of disproportionately influential people in Dublin who shape the contours of Ireland’s civic discourse" Eh, easy on the Dubs there Larry - you'll find these self important social commentators are as plentiful in the middle class areas of Belfast, Cork, Derry and Limerick. Infact as an Irish American complaining about the narrow definitions some Irish people put on Irishness it's ironic to be attacking the one community who are often on the receiving end of this kind of rubbish at home - with their unique accent, traditional urban poverty as opposed to rural poverty (it was all poverty back in the day wasn't it!!), their disobedience of church, state and traditional Irish societal norms - single mothers, hard drug use, prostitution etc etc their shunning of national games in favour of association football and their all round inner city air of thugishness - the Dubs or jackeens recieve the same kind of crap Irish Americans put up with regarding living up to a "proper" Irish caricature.
My All-Ireland-winning father happened to be in Africa with his wife when I was born. We returned to Ireland where I grew up but left again in my late teens & my Dublin accent has since had time to be "compromised" by other accents while I have made a home abroad.

But let any of this "vocal minority" tell me I am anything BUT Irish & they will feel the whip of my tongue in a brogue they understand!

I'd prefer to be paying my taxes to Ireland than to where I am now, but I don't have that option. The country's woes would be sorted pretty quickly if we all had that choice. If we all chose to go home though, the island would sink, so maybe the locals should be grateful we keep our distance.
I spent time in Ireland some 30 years ago, and was told that so long as I did not open my mouth to reveal my american accent, no one would ever know I was not Irish. During that same period, I studied in Paris, France, and took great offense my my professor (who of course was a short obnoxious frenchman) called me “têtue comme une âne irlandaise” (stubborn as an irish mule)... which, as an Irish-American upset me a great deal... the children and descendants of the "Irish Diaspora" have it drilled into their heads from a young age the injustices visited upon them upon their arrival in America... from the "no Irish need apply" to far worse. We often wonder what our lives would have been like has our ancestors not been forced to leave their beloved Ireland... Mr. Clarke can spout his intolerance from every tree-top... that does not mean that I recognize I am NOT Irish, but Irish-American -- and very proud of that fact. I define who I am, not some snobby elitist, such as Mr. Clarke (who, in all likelihood is an Irishman of English descent -- not a fact that makes him terribly popular in my opinion/book, since the bloody English oppressed the Irish from millenia, and then withheld aid when the Great Famines struck.
BorderFox it's not what the U.S./Canada/Australia or other nations have done for the Irish .It's what the Irish have contributed to these nations. I am an Australian resident and 25% of the population claim Irish ancestry.




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