Women of Ireland asked to boycott Sunday Mass
An 80-year-old is calling on all Irish women to send a message to the Vatican
Published Saturday, August 14, 2010, 8:41 AM
Updated Saturday, August 14, 2010, 8:46 AM
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jacersisityourself | Aug 18, 2010, 04:09 AM EDT
Thanks for that Carroll09. Truly enlightening. Just for the record, may I say that I don't believe Time and Space exists. Both were invented by mankind to give some order to our existence. Like you say, both were tied into the lunar cycle. These days it has been scientifically discovered that the moon is moving away from earth. Some day it won't be in our skies anymore. God be with all.
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Carroll09 | Aug 17, 2010, 06:58 PM EDT
Jacersisityourself - they may not have had their current names in Christ's time, but the Jews had a seven-day week for centuries before Christ. Many calendars which had the 7 day week came as a result of the roughly 28 day lunar cycle- with the 7th, 14th, 21st & 28th days often being days of rest. As you probably know, the cycle of seven days in the Judeo-Christian tradition comes from Genesis, where God rested on the 7th day. You'll know too that in the Catholic Church we sometimes celebrate "octaves" of feasts such as the Octave of Easter or Christmas: the eighth day (or the first of a new cycle) symbolises renewal. We know that Christ was crucified the day before the Sabbath- see Mark 15:42 and Luke 23:54. As St Athanasius explains: "The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord's day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord's day as being the memorial of the new creation". I hope this answers your question somewhat.
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jacersisityourself | Aug 17, 2010, 06:09 PM EDT
marsman - Christ's message was that we should pray in secret and right He was on that - but He did expressly call for communal prayer ("where ever you are gathered together in My Name, I will be there too). Celebration of the Eucharist is the greatest communal prayer of all. Prayer in privacy is carried out all the time but just now and again, it's rewarding to pray in common with your neighbours and friends - at Mass.
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jacersisityourself | Aug 17, 2010, 06:02 PM EDT
Carroll09, pardon my ingorance in asking this question: did Friday or Sunday exist before the Ancient Jewish or Roman or Gregorian calendars? Just asking... I agree with you that the Apostles worshipped and celebrated on the 3rd day after Christ's Resurrection and every day afterwards. But what day was it before someone gave days names?
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jacersisityourself | Aug 17, 2010, 05:56 PM EDT
Siobhan39 – pardon me chuckling after reading yr post. Yes, I’m an ordinary guy. Yes, I see everything wrong about all kinds of people molesting kids, especially priests, and have written very strongly about that. You missed my little joke in my comment; I was taking the Michael esp re a rush to confession by hordes of women distraught at fear of not getting what they desire in the January sales. Getting to heaven is the desire of most people, which is why most people try to live good lives. If you don’t make a full contrite confession afore ye die, ya won’t get ta heaven. Well, ye will, once, if one believes what many believe - you’ll see God in His glory once and then never again if ya got a stain of sin on yr soul before His Glory. That is what hell is supposed to be like, according to this belief. Not burning eternal fire; no, it will be burning pain, like that of yourself caaight in a fire, of missing the joy that you could’ve had forever. That would hell, according to these beliefs. I again urge all women to boycott Ms. Sleeman’s call.
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2BorNot2B | Aug 17, 2010, 05:19 PM EDT
Marsman seems to be a bigot anti-Catholic-baiter who throws out theological bits of his liking on various threads. He seems to favor the ones taken out of context that favor his own religious theories - really, lame attempts at proof texting in one or two lines that would take a couple of pages to reply to - and finding Catholics herein (except for Carroll09) who are either, uninformed, apathetic about their faith, lazy, or lacking in desire to engage a fundy, he believes he can declare theological victory. -- Marsman, dear...you want to engage in an honest debate about apologetics, please start a thread and follow each one of your premises to their conclusion. -- Don't just limit yourself to silly provocation swhich don't amount to theological ChickenS***
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WoundedKnee | Aug 17, 2010, 02:51 PM EDT
bern1952: No need to start her own religion. There is already one that suits. It's the Anglican Church of Ireland. Of course their services were empty up to a few years ago, until they got an influx of Nigerian protestants. Now in many areas of Ireland they're no longer a church of Irish people. Funny how all those Irish who claim to be mad about the Catholic Church are not attending those Anglican services. Or maybe they just prefer to stay in bed on a Sunday morning.
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WoundedKnee | Aug 17, 2010, 02:48 PM EDT
appalachian: "Why not go back to the HEDGEROW MASS, when we had to endure anti-Catholicism by the Brits"... But now we're getting anti-Catholicism by the Irish.
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knowthyself | Aug 17, 2010, 01:30 AM EDT
Well hats off to Granny. its true women are treated as second class citizens.more women should support Jennifer & Boycot .Sunday Mass for a few weeks. maybe it will wake up the Vatican to start doing the right thing insted of giving lip service. come on Ladies show the church your not just a bunch of dumb sheep . The church seems to forget God created Women also. Ladies Hit them in the pocketbook thats where it will hurt!! Time to weed the chaff from the wheat.
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evny077 | Aug 16, 2010, 03:37 PM EDT
Amen, sister!
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ladyjane | Aug 16, 2010, 11:26 AM EDT
Right on. Women must take action, but we wonder who will listen!!
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appalachian | Aug 16, 2010, 10:46 AM EDT
Why not go back to the HEDGEROW MASS, when we had to endure anti-Catholicism by the Brits, this way the church gets no maoney, and we can retain our faith to God-NO MORE CHURCHES !!
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bern1952 | Aug 16, 2010, 10:24 AM EDT
This is actually funny. Boycot Mass on Sunday. I thought they had been doing that for the past 10 years at least. It must be the 80 year olds that she wants to stay home. She should start her own Religion, maybe the reformed Catholic movement.
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Carroll09 | Aug 16, 2010, 05:11 AM EDT
Marsman- you claim that the Church never tells that Christ said "When you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret" [Matthew 6:6]. Rubbish. Firstly, this passage is read at Mass several times a year. Secondly, the point of that passage, and it is clear if you look at the context, is that we shouldn't pray simply to be noticed by others as the "hypocrites" do. Thirdly, if the Church selfishly wasn't telling Catholics this line as you claim, why was it left in the Bible when the Church was setting down the canon of Scripture in the late 4th century? Also, were the Apostles disobeying Christ when they gathered on "the Lord's Day" (Sunday) to celebrate the Eucharist? You might think that the Lord's other command of "Do this in memory of Me" was insignificant, but the Apostles didn't 2,000 years ago, nor does the Church today- the Mass was so central to the faith that it was always celebrated with the community on a Sunday. There is time for private prayer and a time for public worship - that is what the Church has always taught.
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