Why De Valera got a bum rap on being pro-Nazi because of U.S Ambassador
U.S, Envoy to Ireland David Gray communed with ghosts, hated De Valera
Published Sunday, November 4, 2012, 8:02 AM
Updated Sunday, November 4, 2012, 8:02 AM
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DanOLoingsigh | Nov 07, 2012, 07:08 PM EST
Seano - It was the 'moral fortitude' I questioned...he had it in bucketloads...but I agree he was wrong on many issues, including Ireland.
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seanomelb | Nov 07, 2012, 06:31 PM EST
No more than you could Dano as usual you did not read my post and had your usual knee jerk reaction ""when dealing with Ireland" are so anti Irish you fail to comprehend a simple sentence.
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DanOLoingsigh | Nov 06, 2012, 03:10 PM EST
Seano – Churchill was a giant of the 20th century, rightly admired for his courage and fortitude in standing up to the Nazi menace…could you have inspired a nation in 1940? I very much doubt it.
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gobdawpaddy | Nov 06, 2012, 07:27 AM EST
Pillob04, the Swiss had the decourm not to snivel over to the German ambassador's residence to express condolences on behalf of the Irish people on the death of Hitler.
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seanomelb | Nov 05, 2012, 09:05 PM EST
Churchill was a blatant liar when dealing with the Ireland. The man had no moral fortitude.
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RichardP | Nov 05, 2012, 03:46 PM EST
"Didn't Churchhill offer Devalera an end to partition if Ireland came in on the side of the Allies?" No, he didn't. He considered it and even alluded up to a point but no specific offer was ever made. it wasn't within his power to deliver on such a promise anyway.
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pilib04 | Nov 05, 2012, 10:14 AM EST
RebelForce, NO Churchill could not. Churchill was the creator of the English Terror forces in Ireland during the War for Independence. Churchill was a very evil man.
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pilib04 | Nov 05, 2012, 10:10 AM EST
I will always support Dev on the issue of keeping Ireland out of WW2. No different from Switzerland. Had the Irish gone into the war they would have simply been cannon fodder AGAIN for the English. Dev was right! He cooperated with the allies but was able to keep Ireland out of the war.
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Will Hamilton | Nov 05, 2012, 10:10 AM EST
He was pro-Roman Catholic Church which is even worse than being Pro-Nazi. Ireland is still paying for Vatican occupation. It was a shame Dev was not executed along with the rest of them.
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seanomelb | Nov 05, 2012, 02:09 AM EST
A load of humus about nothing.
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Pgk86 | Nov 04, 2012, 09:28 PM EST
ALSO, Alan Rickman really does look like him!
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Pgk86 | Nov 04, 2012, 08:44 PM EST
I'm a little confused (or may be a lot). Not that I believe it or don't, but how was he an English spy? Meaning, who did he spy on? If he agreed, rightly or wrongly, on the partition, who was he spying on? I can understand how some people call him a traitor but I don't get a spy. Also, where does Israel come into it?
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cillowen | Nov 04, 2012, 08:15 PM EST
dev england greatest spy he's a much honored fella in israel.
The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time).
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves.
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Pgk86 | Nov 04, 2012, 08:13 PM EST
It seems it a little hard to criticize DeValera when we let a flake be the US ambassador so close to the war for so long. Not having to side with England and not having Germans invade to use Ireland as a base, there has to be more to the story.
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