75 Comments

• jj | Oct 18, 2012, 09:48 AM EDT

  Drunkeness is typical of our Irish social scene. I find it odd that police would contact GAA or CHURCH as both are institutions condoning (inadvertantly promoting)drunkeness, unruly anti-social violent behaviour. It is permitted in Ireland (as GAA/priests generally st the example). Drunkeness id part of our culture. Drunk disorderly dysfunction is part of Irish recession. We grow up thinking drunkeness is a normal way of celebration. Ireland... saints, scholars and SCHIZOPHRENICS (according to nancy schreber-hughes. that's the title of her book. A study of Irish psychology. As an Irishman I'm inclined to agree. We have a high rate of drunkeness, disorderly violence and it is encouraged by GAA/priests and politicians. Canada has started deporting drunken Irish. Austalia should do the same. If I had that threat hanging over me I would not drink! Ireland has a high suicide rate due to drunkeness. We never address the problem as Irish, we bury our heads in the sand. If you want a real insight into Irish alcoholic culture, log on to YOUTUBE and enter THE SAVAGE EYE... drunken Irish. It really does explain what we are all about. I hope you find this helpful. JJ

• ciaradexy | May 19, 2012, 03:48 PM EDT

  mama, dont insult the humble penis!

• mamaginnty | May 19, 2012, 12:04 PM EDT

  GoergeFrigginDylan at it again..Tá sé aon rud ach ceann Dick

• ciaradexy | May 18, 2012, 02:32 PM EDT

  Tay, you'll find plenty of it on here!

• TayandCake | May 18, 2012, 02:19 PM EDT

  I like cheese

• ciaradexy | May 18, 2012, 01:17 PM EDT

  George, you may not realise it but its attitudes like yours towards us Irish that makes a huge number of Irish people hate the language. You go on and on about it as if its some elitist club but if you knew us like you think you do, then you'd realise that we dont do self praise (unless we are politicans) which you do a heck of a lot of. Your attitude is what we describe as 'up your own arse' which irish people hate. There is a phrase Ive heard used here several times in regards the irish language. I have asked people why they arent interested in learning it and besides it being perceived as of no benefit to us, I have been told 'Ah leave that for the Americans, that and the leprechauns, they lap that stuff up', meanwhile here, in the real world we get on with our lives. You are definitely more of a hindrance than a help to the Irish language.

• ciaradexy | May 18, 2012, 12:46 PM EDT

  If you reply to them with ''Im Irish'' and they ask ''When did you emigrate?'' and then you say ''Oh I never did, Im American '', it makes me feel even more sorry for you, bless!

• ciaradexy | May 18, 2012, 12:44 PM EDT

  Just having a laugh here, it must be hard for you george when someone asks you ''where are you from?'' and you reply with ''America''. Seriously, no one in the entire world outside of the US cares where your great great granny was from except other Americans.

• ciaradexy | May 18, 2012, 12:42 PM EDT

  'deirimid'??? Im glad you think youre part of my country, Georgie 'septic tank' mara deirimid sa Bhearla i mo thír. No one is jealous of you George. I dont think there are many who are jealous when someone tells us that they are American.

• GeorgeDillon | May 18, 2012, 12:28 PM EDT

  ancavker: You got the Loony Tunes Seal of Approval! Ciaradexy is impressed that you have a relative who speaks Irish! Of course Ciaralooney is just jealous of me because I speak Irish. But you know what, be it in English, Irish or Hindhi, I'll continue to point out that ciaralooney is an utter fool, an Irish imbecile. Óinseach chruthanta, mara deirimid sa Ghaeilge.

• ciaradexy | May 18, 2012, 11:39 AM EDT

  Ancavker, there ARE jobs here but not in what people are studying and want to work in. Why would someone who spent 4 years studying agriculture for example, work in a hotel when they can go abroad and find work in their chosen field? Remember there were 100,000 unemployed irish during the boom when there were jobs by the bucketload here. I have a few unemployed unskilled friends. None of them are out there actively looking for work. Ive told them about jobs that I have seen advertised in windows but they dont want those jobs so far play to migrants for stepping in and doing the work. ''my American born grew up in Ireland wife's Uncle'', wow! Most Irish people are non speakers but fair play to you for giving it a go.

• ancavker | May 18, 2012, 10:33 AM EDT

  ciara: Some leave for afew years and then come back fine. I have no problem with that. But either there are jobs for the people there or there are not. People cannot be claiming on hand that or there are not enough jobs, and than on the other oh we are just leaving for a few years. On another note my American born grew up in Ireland wife's Uncle will be coming next Tuesday, and they will be chatting away in Irish when they have the opportunity (without being rude to the non-speakers). I will be chiming in when I can with my cupla focal.

• ancavker | May 18, 2012, 10:28 AM EDT

  sirpeter: Trust me I understand the economic and fiscal policies surrounding the situation in Ireland. (By the way Deutsch Band claims today Ireland will need a second bailout). My point to ciara is simply that the Irish people themselves also bear responsibility for the mess. This attitude that it was only the big bad banks did it to us is nonsense. As far as the civic pride, sorry, I just don't see it in Ireland Even when times were good;just my opinion.

• sirpeter | May 18, 2012, 08:46 AM EDT

  @ancavker.The economic collapse in Ireland,which saw property prices fall through the floor in Ireland,has played into the technology industry’s hands,helping generate a lower cost of living than rival hubs such as London’s Tech City.While tax is important,companies need more than that.Plenty countries give good tax breaks and cheap labour.It’s the TALENT base first and foremost that needs to be at the core.That's what brings high tech companies to Ireland.A good indication is Irish exports are baring up pretty well considering the mess Europe is in.While Irish politicians have to take responsibility for for over spending.The main problem that caused the whole European mess was the interest rates set to suit Germany were to low.It's not easy for small economies to keep in step with big economies.One interest rate to suit all didn't work.It's silly to be talking about civic pride when it comes to economies.Big money doesn't do civic pride.Either do you on a smaller scale.Just have a look at all your possessions and see in what country your civic pride is made.

• ciaradexy | May 18, 2012, 06:08 AM EDT

  Ancavker, as you said, ireland has one of the best educated populations in the world. We are all well aware that in a country of this size, there are never going to be enough jobs for everyone coming out with a qualification. You also need to remember the recent article that stated the majority who leave, want to emigrate for a few years. They are not being forced to go. My bro and 2 of my cousins are migrants in NZ and Australia. The three of them love their new homes and are happy to be where they are. They werent forced out. They left good jobs here to travel. Why shouldnt they be allowed to? Other countries allow us in, we allow the citizens of other countries in. Thats life.

• GeorgeDillon | May 17, 2012, 03:08 PM EDT

  bythebay: "We are neutral". Utter nonsense-the kind you specialize in. Ireland isn't neutral. You even have soldiers in Afghanistan. Are they neutral? Grow up.

• ancavker | May 17, 2012, 02:57 PM EDT

  bythebay: Again I ask you if the country is bleeding with people leaving because there is no jobs no future, how can people be coming there for a better life? As far as waging unjust wars, I agree with you the U.S. should pull all of their troops home from everywhere;it's none of our business. As far as your technological savvy etc, just as much in other countries. The luster is off Ireland, and companies will not be all that excited about relocating to an economic basket case. Keep an eye on the Scots, if they opt for independence or devo max, watch out. They will eat your lunch. English speaking,and a fantastic work ethic. They won't make a mess of the place like the Irish in Ireland did. And there is real civic pride in Scotland as opposed to the extreme lack of it in Ireland.

• ancavker | May 17, 2012, 02:51 PM EDT

  bythebay: We will not go into default. It will go the wire, and then there will be an agreement and the can will be kicked down the road. And we can continue to print money here, which Ireland cannot (unless Germany agrees to it) You see by the bay, I am an educated man, and I can agree and acknowledge that the U.S. has problems. As far as the 8.5 million going hungry that is bogus, simple as that. Now that I have addressed those issues, we still have the case of Ireland with 5 million or so people less than half the population of NYC. You are part of the best educated (most sophisticated, I am told) population in the history of the country, and your residents have made an absolute mess of the place. 80 years of independence have achieved nothing. One can only surmise that the Irish people are not capable of ruling themselves and running a country.

• Bythebay | May 17, 2012, 01:46 PM EDT

  ancavker, the economy in the US is in the pits, you face default if your Government doesn't agree a budget, as it is you have a $15 trillion deficit, a bank which has just "lost" ? upwards of $3 billion and 8.5 million going hungry every day. You're no prize location for anyone to consider emigrating to!

• ciaradexy | May 17, 2012, 12:13 PM EDT

  I could get a visa to work in the US in the morning if I fancied it. Over the next few years there the baby boomers will be retiring from my career and your country will be really stuck for people with my qualification. What are you lot going to do then? Are you just gonna shut down hospitals and laboratories?

• ciaradexy | May 17, 2012, 12:10 PM EDT

  ANcavker, theres a recession in YOUR country and visas are still being given out. Why not focus on that? Europe=free movement of people around 30 states, USA=free movement of people around 50 states. Whats the difference? Are you banned from working in 49 of those states or something?

• Bythebay | May 17, 2012, 11:46 AM EDT

  ancavker, people are moving into Ireland for a better life. We are neutral, are peacekeepers, don't wage unjust wars or any wars, and are a leading center for technology and other 21st century needs. We have a very bright future.

• ancavker | May 17, 2012, 11:28 AM EDT

  ciara: The Irish are leaving Ireland, because the economy is so bad, yet in the same breath, you state that people are moving into Ireland for a better life. Do you see the irony there.

• ancavker | May 17, 2012, 11:26 AM EDT

  Ciara: If you girleen had a brain in your head, you would note that I made no comment on any particular group of people,whether in the U.S. Ireland, or anywhere else in the world. I would say however that with so many Irish out of work, that it makes no sense continuing to have people come into the country from other countries, and expect the few Irish that are working to subsidize them. That is economic suicide.

• ciaradexy | May 17, 2012, 10:47 AM EDT

  Ancavker, if you had a brain in your head then you would see the hypocrisy in your posts. Why are YOU allowed to live and work in any of the 50 US states yet others are no t allowed move around and work in any of the 50 European states? As Curitiba said earlier, in his view, Asians do not integrate. Well if thats the case then you lot have nothing to fear as they will have families with other Asians and the irish blood line will remain as pure as Hilter wanted the Aryan race to be.

• ciaradexy | May 17, 2012, 10:44 AM EDT

  How dare those non Irish immigrants into Ireland do exactly the same as those Irish emigrants did in the past and are still doing! How dare they move here for a better life! How dare they make a living and have children here. The cheek of them! Dont they know that the world is for the Irish but that Ireland is for the Irish only? They are so rude!

• ancavker | May 17, 2012, 09:20 AM EDT

  ciara: Too put it for you simply dear, an educated person can have a conversation, and can acknowledge that others may have different view points that they do, and even have valid points. You come on a site that is dedicated mainly to the Irish Diaspora in the U.S. (and any one that might be interested in Ireland?Irish etc.) and lecture and abuse people. You are incredibly self righteous, and will concede nothing. You must have been asleep in your university days dear, because that attitude is not reflective of an educated person, but of an ignorant, obnoxious know it all.

• 1stworlder | May 16, 2012, 07:18 PM EDT

  "ciaradexy Maybe if England didnt treat Asian people like sh1t" Please tell me your thoughts about the 49 asians(paki) that only raped white girls in Heywood. Search (asian grooming Heywood) They are going to trial this month, tell me if you think they treated natives ok.People like you have actually made excuses that they didnt know raping 13yo girls was wrong. " Graeme Paton, Telegraph (London), May 10, 2012 The historian said “nobody ever explained” to the men—eight of Pakistani origin and one from Afghanistan—that women could not be treated in this way. Dr Starkey called for better teaching of English history to create a “common identity” and overcome the challenges of multiculturalism."

• ciaradexy | May 16, 2012, 05:52 PM EDT

  The best and brightest left? I think you three posters have proven that isnt true, When my brother and his girlfriend have kids we'll all make sure they arent racist and bigoted. The mortification of being a migrant parent of racist kids who hate other migrants who live in a place your kids arent from must be too much to bear for some folk.

• ancavker | May 16, 2012, 04:39 PM EDT

  George: Pity the poor boy friend! Imagine having that (ciara) ray of sunshine in your life every day!!

• Curitiba | May 16, 2012, 04:34 PM EDT

  Keep up the good work, George.

• Curitiba | May 16, 2012, 04:26 PM EDT

  "You are really horrible." You're only saying that because I trashed your contradictory and strawman-esque arguments. Putting words in my mouth that I never said, accusing me of being like hitler(stupid thing to say), accusing me of saying racist things behind people's back (more rubbish), being consistenly disparging and bigoted towards the diaspora, supporting the population replacement of Ireland and the mass deportation of its best and brightest just to satisfy some urge you have (sounds like the sort of thing Hitler would have approved of), describing your fellow citizens of being "bland,white and boring", the implication behind that being that they need replacing with more glamourous people, criticising me for not knowing about cultural aspects of Ireland, even though we had no access to any of these things growing up (with the exception of irish dancing), and no-one from this Irish cultural elite saw fit to include the Diaspora in any of this and then, to top it all off, you only want mass immigration into European countries, but not Japan or Korea. Or Tanzania, I would wager. And I'm horrible? What does that make you? All I want is for people to enjoy their heritage, and feel part of a greater family, should they wish to, and not to be deprived of it by the likes of you, who think that they own it. Irish culture is for the benefit of all Irish people.

• GeorgeDillon | May 16, 2012, 02:29 PM EDT

  ciaradexy: "Mladic is on trial for ethnic cleansing". That's exactly what's going on in Ireland, you idiot, ethnic cleansing by stealth. The Irish are leaving while the foreigners move in. Already whole areas--West Dublin, North Dublin Downtown, Balbriggan--have pretty much driven out all Irish. Of course these are the Irish poor. I guess they don't count, as far as globalizer nuts like you are concerned. But don't worry, you amadan, I'll keep articulating the views of that 70 % of the Irish who have never assented to being driven out of their ancient homeland just to suit the local capitalists. The views of some globalizer nut like you don't count for much against that 70%.

• ciaradexy | May 16, 2012, 12:34 PM EDT

  Georgie, Mladic is on trial for ethnic cleansing. Is that the route you fancy going down?? Dya reckon thats what we need here in MY country??

• ciaradexy | May 16, 2012, 12:29 PM EDT

  George, curitiba didnt mention anything based on irish culture there. You speak a bit of Irish, so do the kids of Polish, Nigerian and Pakistani migrants. Youre just the same as them except theyre from here. When someone asks them 'where are you from?', they'll be able to say 'Ireland' unlike you. That just sticks in your throat! I know why you hate them besides being racist. Youre jealous that they are living in ireland and it didnt work out for you here! Aw blass!

• ciaradexy | May 16, 2012, 12:27 PM EDT

  George, Im sure at your age you cant hear unaided anyway. Multiculturalism cant be that bad if youre living in a multicultural nation all your life. Did your vile irish relatives ruin the US too? Why are you in the US george, youre taking jobs from the natives. You Irish bred like rabbits over there while the poor natives live on reservations thats if there are any still alive over there becuase your nasty family might have killed them all.

• GeorgeDillon | May 16, 2012, 12:13 PM EDT

  Ciaradexy assumes the mantle of spokeswoman for Ireland, but we should never forget that her views are those of a minority. All surveys show that a large majority--70% or more--of Irish people are not fools like ciaradexy. They oppose the settlement of their country by foreigners.

• GeorgeDillon | May 16, 2012, 12:08 PM EDT

  "You seem to know a lot about Irish culture". Curitiba, she doesn't.

• GeorgeDillon | May 16, 2012, 12:06 PM EDT

  Well said, curitiba. Ciaradexy is such a monotonous monochrome person. She's a real argument for the virtues of diversity, since all she is is a boring mishmash of globalized nothingness. A bore. Her scotch boyfriend (assuming he exists outside her imagination) is an unlucky fellow indeed. Imagine having to listen to ciaraadexy every day. Aaghhh!

• ciaradexy | May 16, 2012, 11:50 AM EDT

  And for the record Curitiba, there is a possibility I'll be taking up a job in Mwanza in Tanzania working in an HIV clinic voluntarily so you stay in your job surrounded only by people who have irish family and I'll travel the world meeting people from all over the place. I bet youre lovely to Asian or black peoples faces but behind their backs your racially insulting them! You are really horrible.

• ciaradexy | May 16, 2012, 11:22 AM EDT

  If you gave a damn about Ireland and Iris culture wouldnt you be here 'breeding' with some irish girl?reproducing those separate genes you keep going on about? No? So stay in England as remain the migrant so. I never said Id choose Queensland as if I did go, Sydney would be my preference. Id always be aware that I was a migrant though unlike your family in England and Id be delighted they took me in.Id be grateful to any country that took my friends or family in too. All the benefits of that country and yet you take take take. By the way Salpa and Lynnott, brought up in Ireland, most of their lifes in Ireland, schooled with irish kids=irish. Their colour or parentage is of no concern to us here. They are one of us. I hate my own people now do I? Youre starting to sound like George? My boyfriend is Scottish so I guess I must hate my own people so. I'll make the suggestion to my sister that stops my nephews hanging out with their black class mates. Are all your friends there white with irish parents? How bland your life must be. Im really glad you arent here, you really wouldnt fit in in my society. Just be glad youre part of the society in the UK and not Ireland. You should sleep well at night.

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 09:27 PM EDT

  Oh, and Ciara, if you're going to start quoting people to back up your argument, please at least ensure that they are born in Ireland, since your whole argument revolves around this criteria. Lynott was born in Staffordshire and Salpa was born in Athens. According to your arguments, they are not Irish, since they are not born there. To assert that they are would mean you are contradicting yourself, but i don't mind since you would have to admit I am irish then, wouldn't you?

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 07:06 PM EDT

  On your point in regards voting for me if I were a politician, youd do very well in the BNP.

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 07:01 PM EDT

  So you're calling me a liar, is that it? That's your argument? if you want to destroy your country, go ahead. You're probably going to sod off to Australia and leave your mess behind. I notice you are choosing all-white Queensland for you preferred destination. No India or Uganda for you, oh no. You are the bigot, Ciara, I never expressed a dislike for anyone, I am tolerant of all views, even your dreadful one. You hate your own people. You called them "bland and boring and white", like they had no right to be. You seem to know a lot about Irish culture, yet you want to make it history, and replace it with who knows what. But you don't think non-white cultures should allow immigration. I admire and respect all cultures, but especially the Irish one. It's your views that make me want to projectile vomit. But i respect your right to air them.

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 07:00 PM EDT

  Maybe if England didnt treat Asian people like sh1t for years then the situation there wouldnt be so bad. The UK didnt have an immigration integration strategy. Instead it allowed migrants to become marginalised which over a few generations got worse and worse.

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 06:38 PM EDT

  Just because you look the same as the natives doesnt make you any better than those who look different. You are a complete and utter bigot! Why dont you leave and let a native have your job? So youre white and speak English so that makes you ok does it? Im getting great mileage out of these posts here.'Irish language, culture and homogeneity'? Do you speak the language? Most irish dont so I cant see how thats an issue.Culture? Do you sing sean Nos, do irish dancing, are you in a trad band, did you go to the gaeltacht,do you design jewellery or clothes in a celtic style,do you study the pagan celts, do you partake in pagan celebrations,are you involved in the arts here? No? So what are you doing thats ensuring the 'culture' is kept alive? Oh youre white? is that it? Is thats the homogeneity youre talking about? So did Phil Lynott ruin that idea as he was black? what about jason Sherlock, Samantha mumba, Georgia Salpa etc? Have they ruined out homogeneity? man, this is so horrible! You sound like Hitler! Only the master race can live in ireland! Will be stop irish people marrying other colours or creeds? Sure thats diluting out the genes!I find it astonishing that someone whos parents were taken in by another country takes issue with MY country taking in people like your parents! It really is none of your concern what happens here as it doesnt affect you. Imagine the English banned your parents cos those catholic irish were breeding like rabbits! And then the Americans on here complaining too! The f*cking hypocrisy on this site really sickens me! I cannot believe Niall O'D is ok with it. Unreal! Theres my bro in NZ, it would be like his kids complaining about migrants coming to Ireland or England. Sad, so very sad.

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 06:20 PM EDT

  Nowhere in England will you find a town where there is street upon street of unassimilated descendents of Irish migrants. But there are lots of towns where you will find street upon street of descendents of Asian immigrants. 2.Families do not have to be friends with each other, or even like each other, but as they say blood is thicker than water, so they act in each other's common interest to ensure that the family continues. Irish people do not do this. They act selfishly and do not have a common purpose to ensure that Irish culture, language and homogeneity goes on generation after generation. Indeed, many Irish people, yourself included, seem to have embraced a kind of cult of death where they seem to want to see the end of Irish identity because it is old hat or whatever. it's a little hard to define because this is the first time in Irish history this has happened. But we all know where it will lead. 3. that's rubbish, I never said that. 4) We had to set up somewhere after ireland forced us to leave, England was good enough to take us in. no doubt Polish people have a perfect right to set up in Dublin if they want, but, in addition to everyone else who has set up there, and the low birth and high emigration rate of the native Irish, the irish will be replaced in time, and ireland will no longer exist, except in name. Even that may change, if the new people want a clean break with the past. If you sell your house, you make keep the outside shell the same, but you can remodel it as you please, so that it looks completely different inside to the house when the previous owners lived there.

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 06:16 PM EDT

  Hows about we have DNA testing at the border and people have to bring their family tree to prove they have an Irish relative or at least mitochondrial DNA that tells us theres a celtic link and if they dont, we let them in but we sterilise them? Would that suit you?

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 06:11 PM EDT

  Are you having a laugh? So your mam didnt lie back and think of the old country often enough so that some how makes you better than any other migrants? How do you know what their birth rates are? You dont live here or work in the health services here! I do on both counts! We are not being 'outbred', what a ridiculous concept! I know exactly how many babies are born to non irish mothers here as i work in the busiest maternity hospital in the country! Irish women do not have some sort of a duty to reproduce just to keep people like you happy!Lets bring the church back, stop women working,arrange their marriages for them again and ban contraception just so the relatives of the irish migrant can be happy! Why arent you over here reproducing like the clappers? Sure youre irish, its your duty to repopulate ireland isnt it!? WTF?

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 05:51 PM EDT

  oooh-impatient! 1.From the point of view of the English, at that time it was relatively monocultural, and they thought that these irish migrants were going to fill the place with Catholics, and take over. A sort of Northern ireland in reverse. Sadly, from our point of view, Irish people had too few children for this to happen, and when their children grew up, they fared even worse, the amount of children they were having were below replacement rates, in line with all other Western cultures, so england was saved from the irish peril. On the plus side, we were culturally and ethnically very close to the english, so it woudn't have been too difficult for them to assimilate us, provided we didn't outbreed them. Had we been successful, London would have changed to Little Ireland, bad for the english, but good for us. But it never happened. However, we were just one country with a small population, so it would have been difficult to supply enough people to force this outcome. However, the situation is much different today because many nations are sending people, and these people have much higher birth rates than the Irish or English. This will ensure that over time, the English and Irish will become a minority, this will happen in Ireland much quicker than in England, due to its smaller population and high rate of emigration.

• Yardleypa | May 15, 2012, 05:51 PM EDT

  Now you know how the the paddywagon got its name

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 05:13 PM EDT

  So answer the question- Why are you and your family ok in the UK and yet everyone else seems to be a threat to my country in your eyes??

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 04:58 PM EDT

  "You and your family have made London multicultural!!! You are to England what Pakistanis are to Ireland! The exact same!!" Thanks, Ciara. I knew you'd see it my way sooner or later.

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 04:54 PM EDT

  Curitiba, then You answer the questions ive put to you. 1.)Have you and your family ruined London by being migrants? 2.)Why would you and i have more in common than someone i was raised with or grew up with whose parents were from another country? 3.)Why do you feel you are more important as the son of irish migrants than the son of pakistani migrants would be? 4.)Why can your family set up in london but a Polish family cannot set up in Dublin?

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 04:25 PM EDT

  You and your family have made London multicultural!!! You are to England what Pakistanis are to Ireland! The exact same!!

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 04:24 PM EDT

  Ciara, if you ran for office, I'd give you my vote. Not because I would agree with any of your crazy nation-destroying ideas, but because I admire your political skills in answering the points I didn't raise and avoiding direct questions. The best politicians hone these skills and get elected.

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 04:18 PM EDT

  Did your parents ruin London when they moved there? If youre so into your heritage and culture, why arent you in ireland? Why are you living in london where you have NOTHING in common with the natives as you seem to think is the situation with migrants in ireland? Why is it ok for you and yours to be in London and its not ok for Pakistani people to set up a life here?

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 04:16 PM EDT

  Curitiba, you dont have to suppress your 'identity' at all! I couldnt care less! My american cousins are just that, american.Sure all you foreign folk with an irish ancestor can drink and lament together in pubs about a country of old! A country that you love so much youre not even living in it through choice and not necessity! the fact that you think all people with an irish ancestor should somehow have some sort of a bond or kinship is madness!I dont really care what any nigerians or pakistanis have to say about ireland because the ones I know and work with are very respectful and love this country, oh and they work and contribute too. i would imagine that a person born to pakistani parents in ireland would have more in common with a person born in Ireland to irish parents if they were brought up on the same street, were in the same class in school, went to the same youth clubs, same secondary school, played football together rather than a person like yourself born to irish parents in the Uk. Why on earth would WE have more in common? Just because our parents are from the same country doesnt mean we should have some odd bond. When i visit Monaghan, people dont assume we have a bond because my dad is from there? i have a bond with family and friends and NOT with someone because their parents are from ireland.

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 02:30 PM EDT

  "First thing i thought when I came back from Australia in 1999 was 'wow, this place is so bland and everyone is so white, boring!"-do you suppose any Nigerians or Pakistanis returned to their country after a sojourn abroad and said " Wow this place is so bland and monocultural-what we could do with here is a few million white/chinese/other people!" I don't suppose such person exists, and nor will they ever.

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 02:18 PM EDT

  Why do people whose parents are migrants to ireland have to suppress their identity to suit you, Ciara? Why can they not be proud of their roots? Why irish people who hold the same politcal views keep shouting at second-generation migrants born in your country that they are Irish? Surely a person of, for instance, Pakistani parents who is born in ireland has a lot more in common with a person of Pakistani heritage who is born in Bradford or Germany than they do with you and I? They have shared language, religion, ethnic group, culture, history, etc. Why do they have to rid themselves of their heritage and accept an alien (irish) culture? This doesn't sound like multiculturism, this sounds like forced assimilation to me.

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 02:03 PM EDT

  Ancav, Im from Tallaght, working class as can be, with a college education, a 5 year honours degree!

• ciaradexy | May 15, 2012, 01:58 PM EDT

  Angrypaddy, there were no foreigners here when i was a child which is why Im so glad i live in a multicultural society now. First thing i thought when I came back from Australia in 1999 was 'wow, this place is so bland and everyone is so white, boring!!!' and now Im delightd with myself! Everyones a winner! Yeah Curitiba, YOUD think of him as a quarter irish, its just we wouldnt. Your tribe? Wow! You have more in common with Africans than you realise! All those Africans who have moved here who were part of various tribes in their original hometowns! Brilliant!

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 01:42 PM EDT

  Well, Ciara, if that chap had an irish granny, then I'd think of him as a quarter Irish. Otherwise he would be the West Indian son of West Indian migrants who happens to be born in Ireland. Just as think of myself as an Irish person born in England of Irish parents. I don't see the significance of the place where your mother gives birth. After all there is a law in Ireland that states that you are not automatically entitled to irish citizenship, just because you are born there. You have to fulfill certain other criteria, so you see, where you are born has very little to do with it. It's who your people, your tribe are.

• Curitiba | May 15, 2012, 01:11 PM EDT

  Ancavker; you're a man who understands the big picture!

• ancavker | May 15, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

  ciara: I think your full blarney ciara dear, if you go to Manchester regularly than you would know it is the most Irish city in England, and residents are quite proud of their Irish heritage. I guess it is all the non Irish in Manchester who host the Irish festival every year. You are such a dolt!!! As far as my accent dear, sorry quite proud of it, and is it not ignorant for an educated woman like yourself to make fun of someone's accent. I like my hybrid accent, it is a combination of the best of both countries. But if you prefer I can do a good imitation of the Dublin 4 accent, very posh, very posh. ciara the educated (so she tells us) yet quite ignorant product of the new dazzling hat in hand failed Republic of Ireland. C

• ciaradexy | May 14, 2012, 12:34 PM EDT

  Ancavker, Im in MCR a few times a year for gigs and to visit mates. LOVE that city but never in the 20 years that Im visiting have I heard such sh1te from anyone there as I do from you lot about being Irish. Seriously. Get over yourself. Theres one accent that makes people here cringe and its that brutal Irish/American hybrid. Its like nails down a blackboard. Horrific.

• ciaradexy | May 14, 2012, 12:32 PM EDT

  Angry, yeah I was in the Isle of Man when I was 12 and I still havent recovered from being surrounded by all those foreigners! Disgusting they were! Ugh! Even when I lived in Australia, I thought 'sure this would be a great place if it wasnt for all the foreigners'/ I think your posts are joining Georges and possibly Curitibas in my blog on hypocrisy and racism towards migrants to Ireland from decedents of irish migrants although the title may have to change now that you and a Brit are on board.

• ciaradexy | May 14, 2012, 12:28 PM EDT

  Curitiba, so when you see a black person in Ireland I bet it doesnt cross your mind that they might be born and raised here. They may even have an Irish granny! You live in the most diverse city in the world. Is your family responsible for ruining the monoculture that it once was? Why are you still there? You should feel some responsibility towards making it what it has become. If youre not English then youre part of its multicultural make up.

• ancavker | May 14, 2012, 10:36 AM EDT

  Curit: Just back from a trip to the U.K., and a wonderful time with the Plastic Paddies in Manchester. Always a pleasure, I have family and friends there. I am welcomed as Irish, no questions. I don't have to worry about the likes of ciara defining who is Irish and who is not. My accent is a combination of Irish and American, being Irish born, but coming to the U.S. as a child, back again for some University study, and back to the U.S. My wife U.S. born of Irish parents went back when she was a kid, and came back in her early 20's. Fluent Irish speaker,and all the rest. We have siblings and other family back in Ireland, and yet ciara would deny us the right to be Irish. We have deep connections there, I am there once a year, sometimes more. I own a home there.Deep, deep connections, just like many of the Plastic Paddies in England, and yet ciara says we are not Irish, we from the U.S. are typically refered to as dumb Yanks. Anyhow like I said I love the Plastic Paddies and Manchester is a wonderful town!!!

• Curitiba | May 13, 2012, 04:00 PM EDT

  Old Irish, well looks like we are unfashionable relics of Ireland's embarrasing monocultural past, George. Thank goodness they are consigning us to the dustbin of history and replacing us with such vibrant and diverse New Irish.

• GeorgeDillon | May 13, 2012, 02:32 PM EDT

  Curit: If you sounded like an Angolan or an Albanian Ciaradopey would be calling you "the New Irish". I guess you and I are just Old Irish. But then again so are most Irish people, who are far more sensible than La Loca Ciara.

• Curitiba | May 13, 2012, 02:22 PM EDT

  It will give me way as having lived in England for some period of my life, of course, but how long or where I was born and whatever other influences on my accent would require the curious person to make more enquiries, rather than making a sweeping assumption.

• ciaradexy | May 13, 2012, 11:34 AM EDT

  These lads should be deported, end of story. Curit, youre acccent will always give you away as English rather than irish anyway so off you go.

• Seanmor | May 13, 2012, 10:06 AM EDT

  It is the responsibility of immigrants in Australia and in every other country to obey the laws and act in a civilized way. The recent arrivals in Perth should behave in a manner that reflects credon on themselves and their homeland, in order to gain the respect of their new city of residence and its law-abiding citizens.

• Curitiba | May 13, 2012, 09:38 AM EDT

  Perhaps they should be recruiting plastic paddies from England, rather than badly behaved proper paddies from Ireland. With our impeccable English manners and Irish brains and brawn, we have the perfect combination of quailties!