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Wall Street Journal praises Irish immigration policies


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The Wall Street Journal  has stated that foreign workers departing Ireland prove that emigration within Europe can work and Ireland is the best example despite its harsh economic times.

“The Irish exodus (of foreign workers) is a grim indicator of just how far the Irish economy has fallen. But it's also instructive on how immigrants generally behave when free to come and go as they please: They show up when there's work to be had, and move on if their opportunities dry up.

“In Ireland's case, both before and after the crash, the result of open borders has been a more flexible and productive labor force. That's an achievement all Europeans can celebrate.”

Ireland’s refusal to put a cap on numbers allowed from other European countries into Ireland was praised by the Wall Street Journal.

“A look at Ireland's experience, however, suggests these fears about too many immigrants) are largely unfounded. Following the EU's 2004 expansion, Ireland, along with the U.K. and Sweden, was one of the few countries not to put restrictions on the free movement of citizens of the EU's 10 new members.

“The result was a 13% increase in Ireland's work force between 2004 and 2008. That's hardly a population explosion, given that Irish GDP increased by some 17% in that period. While countries like Germany struggled to meet rising demand for both skilled and unskilled labor, Ireland was able to power its boom years in part with ambitious immigrants.”


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Keane: We have clashed on another topic, but I wish you well in your effort to track down statistics on Mass Immigration to Ireland. I have little hope that you will be able to do so, however. My Irish friends tell me that Mass Immigration has NEVER (not even for one minute) been debated in the Irish Parliament. Nor has any TV channel or newspaper promoted a debate on the topic. This in over ten years of mass Immigration, the greatest demographic upheavel in the history of Ireland, and indeed the highest immigration rate in the entire world. It's a question of Monkeys see no Evil. And yet the few times surveys of pubic opinion were taken, 70% and more (especially the younger people) were opposed to Mass Immigration!
I totally concur with IrishAndProud in his/her emphasis on the cultural element of Mass Immigration. S/he is right--it is primarily not a question of economics. even when there was full employment in Ireland it was disastrous folly to immport huge numbers of foreigners. And of course they're still hanging about, even though there is recession. Downtown Dublin is now a multinational slum, with all kinds of vagrants, beggars and shysters from the four corners of the world hustling and hassling. It's a dump.
Another serving of rotten baloney from Watchman. Why are we supposed to care about his Aunt Sally? And as for his claim that "we are a small nation" (I assume he means the Irish) there are dozens of nations numerically smaller than the Irish. Have some sense, Watchman. You don't make the Irish nation bigger by importing huge numbers of foreigners and calling them "new Irish". That's nonsense.
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I will be delighted if BrendanPKeane produces and publishes statistics and projections from his research. I did some similar research in 1994-5 and projected that Ireland would need to build 66,000 new homes during 2004-2006 - what became the ‘boom’ years. Nobody believed me saying that, since Ireland had never produced more than 48,000 new homes in any one year. In the heights of the boom years, we actually produced 88,000 new homes. So I got it slightly wrong, they got it badly wrong. Why? – Because within the criteria I analysed for my projections, I didn’t build into my calculations, for the predicted boom years, the huge influx of foreign immigrants, or Irish emigrants returning in search of well-paid work, nor (God forgive me!) the input of greedy, speculative developers. I don’t engage in macro- or micro-economics anymore. Instead, I’ll look forward to BPK enlightening our country’s future leaders with his set of analyses and critical path projections. As a starter, may I refer BPK to birth and death rates in present-day Ireland and expected rates of immigrants and emigrants? He might also add in the effects of wars in other countries and their asylum seekers under EU rules. There will be other factors but I leave them to BPK and cohorts to consider.
The WSJ’s well-meaning comments are hugely premature. I believe our Govt’s appointed Bord Snip economist guru, Colm McCarthy, has got his conclusions and advices to Govt wrong – he’s thinking in economical scenarios as old as he is in today’s world. The familiar cyclical economic ‘wave and trough’ picture will emerge, except that no one, not even ‘expert’ McCarthy or ICentral’s modest researcher BrendanPKeane can presume to project the depth of trough or height of wave. The world’s countries face a tsunami of emigrants from Ireland while we at home will wallow in a trough until the next saving wave.
I would have to agree with GeorgeDillon: another VERY CENTRAL AND STRIKING thing that's always -- I mean, ALWAYS -- left out of articles like this is what impact on Irish culture and identity that this many non-Irish foreigners has, on Ireland. I mean, such sheer numbers...many of them Asians, Africans and Mid-Easterners...does this not seriously impact the Irishness of the nation? How can it NOT? Why is this never, ever even TOUCHED in articles, like this? It's like there's some politically-correct, electric fence, which keeps the writers from ever even THINKING of this matter.
It's always the same. Any story about the Irish and emigration/immigration ends up as an Aunt Sally for the greener-than-thou brigade. And anyone who thinks there are two sides to the story is insulted. We are a small nation, but deep down we are even smaller.
The numbers used in this WSJ story don't help you see what's going on. The important and basic information needed by someone trying to understand this issue includes: - how many non-nationals are living in Ireland? - what skill sets do they posess? - how many are on the dole? - how many are applying for asylum? - what is the total tax revenue extracted from these persons? - what costs are associated with them? How do these numbers compare to past years? I'm researching this now, and finding it very difficult to get accurate information for recent years. It seems no one is counting?
Obviously the WSJ folks don't have to send their children to schools where half the class doesn't speak English! That's what faces working-class Irish people. Of course the children of the Irish rich are shielded from that--the only foreign children they come across in class are the offspring of ambassadors etc! In any case the WSJ article is bunk. There is absolutely no evidence that numbers of foreign migrants are declining in Ireland. True, some are leaving, but--and this is the really sinister part--thousands of foreign migrants are arriving every month, even tho there is supposedly no work. Why are they going to Ireland then? Would the words "generous welfare" be a clue?
 




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