Vatican to axe Cardinal Sean Brady as Primate of All Ireland

Jaceragain. I sincerely hope you are not being sensored.

Somebody in Irish Central is taking the pitt.. I've made 8 attempts to post a response to seamus60. What gives, you guys and gals in ICentral??? I've not written a a single word that would be called "censorable".

seamus60, you make a fair point. I too wish Irish Bishops and our incumbent Cardinal Primate and his Predecessor, Cardinal Daly, had reacted more quickly to realities. The truth is that Irish Bishops didn’t know how to handle such cases, no more than the Govts of Ireland during that time. The Church actually realised it didn’t know how to cope with modern journalists and founded the Catholic Communications Office in response (now under the Catholic Bishops website; it’s a good read). The reality is that the Irish State, and I may add, the NI Govt of those years and even the UK’s Govt and the Australian and the Canadian and the American Govts of those years also failed to act. (More??? I've attempted to post my full comments but this site is blocking them; anti-anti-Cathloisms at work?)

Jacer. With respect the facts are speaking for their self. Had the headline been correct, it would have at least been a step in the right direction. Forget about church inquiries and reccommendations, mere window dressing and face saving exercises as proven with Brady.The church just got too complaciant in believing their flock would be easily fobbed off. How much longer till they get the message that they must practice what they preach.

Missed one point - why were so many victims male?.........Primarily because there were no altar girls until recently. MOlesters are molesters and the sex of the victim is meaningless to them

How many decades to late? ............BTW ask any legit psychologist and they will tell you that if you deny the reality of sex, make it dirty or forbidden, some people go bad. And they pick up victims at the age where sex was denied and defiled etc............Celibacy is the root cause, and in the idea of unintended consequences, back in about 1000AD the church ended priests marrying - so the church would inherit their estates.............But the vilest crime is that the church protected its pocketbook instead of protecting children , some of whom commmitted suicide, otehrs who bear the scars for a lifetime.........According to SNAP, about 100,000 kids were abused in the USA alone. Others say much more...........The church btw spent 1.8 million on a report re the problem with a part of CCNY......the final part of it says that as more gays entered the priesthood, there was a big drop in problems (1970s and 80s)........OF course the priests were having their sex with each other, at least consensual. The str8 priests had no outlet - the nuns ere protected and they couldnt afford prostitutes. Shame on the church for defaming its gay priests, and horrors for how the hierarchy hid these vile crimes for decades, but probably for many centuries.

eiriamach – sorry but nope, I don’t agree w/ your 9% figure. Countless scientific and social studies show that 2% of overall populations everywhere are child abusers; that %-age would also apply to clerics and members of any church, with few exceptions, where it might reach 5% but hardly ever any higher. Otherwise, I agree with you in that reforms are needed in how the problems of dealing with the ‘bad’ 2% are dealt with. You might like to take time out to learn and write on ICentral of what reforms have been taken and are taking place and quote ‘ad nauseam’ from the authors of these reforms, as you are won’t to do of those who attack the Church. Please show some respect and get some balance into your comments.

@ seamus60 – excuse me, I don’t have blind loyalty to the Roman Catholic Church at all. I completely acknowledge it as a channel of the Holy Eucharist and for it being under guidance of the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals, despite the human faults of its many leaders and lay members misinterpreting their roles, including myself. >>> Dr. Brady wasn’t running for “cover”, as you put it, he was quite rightly having nothing to do with errant, misleading, lying Media Man choosing to describe such a fob-off moment as an “escape”. Get facts right please, we all well know Media Man is planting incorrect info in our heads according to their own agenda. I personally would like to know who, in Irish journalism schools, is planting such farcical ideas in the minds of our young trainee journalists. I’d give him/her a right good run for his imbecilic teachings. No more supposing and planting wrong information, even downright lies before us please – let the facts speak for themselves.

Jetsnoon. You`re spot on. The church has not came out, when it should have, in defence of all those poor children sodomised. No need either to bring other churchs into it , that should only be used as a comparison and never a defence. The same can be said on the issue of percentages as they`re irrelevant when the church doesn`t acknowledge any.

Jacers, recent studies in the USA have shown the percentage of sex-abuser priests to be closer to 9 percent of all priests, with countless victims, the majority of whom never report the abuse. The prognosis for change? Zip! Because, as you can see in many comments on ICentral, church defenders call for unquestioning obedience to the teachings of mere human beings in the hierarchy. And the type of man who is mindlessly obedient to authority figures is an adolescent in mind and emotions, not a sexually mature individual who will take responsibility for his own actions. See A.W. Richard Sipe's statement of Sept. 13, 2012: "The problem is so ancient. It is so well documented. Repeatedly the church has put out statements and implemented punishments for clergy child abuse -- even death in certain instances. (Cf. Sex, Priests & Secret Codes, 2006). St. Basil at the council of Ancyra in 415 acknowledged there was a problem and imposed a remedy. Peter Damian referred to the same formula in 1050." Whatever happens to Card. Brady, no Catholic should expect change in this tragic problem until real reforms take hold.

Jacersagain. "quite rightly rebuffing leading questions vociferously, with dogged Media Man sent off with his tail wagging behind him", That wasn`t the case the night the programme investigating approached him and he ran inside a building for cover. Jacer you should not allow your blind loyalty to our discredited Cardinal and church leadership stop you from seeing.Its on par with all those SF supporters either unable or just unwilling to accept facts for what they are.Pride can be a terrable and cruel thing at times.

Cardinal Seán Brady is Primate of All Ireland of the ecclesia styling itself the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, as distinct from his Church of Ireland (Anglican Communion) Primate of All Ireland, both based in Armagh city. Other protestant churches in Ireland (Presbyterian/Methodist/Adventist/Quakers etc) don't do cardinals). Since Saint Patrick's remains are reputedly buried in the Church of Ireland grave yard in Downpatrick, does that mean that he was not just originally a Brit from Wales captured by Celtic Irish slave traders, but a Prod as well? Whatever about Downpatrick - I say up with Valentinus! Hmmm!

What in blazes took so long for Brady to be removed? It should have happened years ago.

Seamus60....the Church has never, ever come out for abortion or sodomy, unlike your Protestant sects some of which ACTUALLY DO try to tell their people that abortion and homosex. is o.k.....the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by some homos but the Church can never condone such evil in their policy/dogma...... it's like the Penn State thing: Joe Paterno was no homo, and didn't approve of such actions, but as a weakness he tried to wish it away.... wishing away evil is like an anti-Catholic like you wishing the Church would fold up and go away....ain't ever going to happen, Jesus said so.....

jacer may be half right!! Brady has had a little nudge to retire gracefully rather than be pushed over the cliff.