St. Patrick was a Protestant say Loyalist leaders in Northern Ireland
Protestant St.Patrick’s march leads to Catholic protests in Armagh
Published Friday, March 16, 2012, 7:04 AM
Updated Friday, March 16, 2012, 10:50 AM
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IrelandNorth | Apr 13, 2012, 07:57 AM EDT
The essential distinction in Christianity is not Protestantism vs. Roman Catholicism after Luther's schism. Or for that matter between eastern and western orthodoxies. But between the Orthodoxy of the institutional churches and esoteric Christianity of heterodoxists. Since the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church converted to Constantianism, and Patricius was an emissary of Constantinian Christianity, he hardly did the native Iriah any favours by coming here. Now ya know why the Irish wear silly hats and betray their temperance commitment in or anround the pagan/Druidic Vernal/Spring Equinox.
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warlocks | Mar 23, 2012, 12:20 AM EDT
Guess what ? St.Patrick was Roman. His Father was a Centorian in A Roman Cohort that was in Scotland at the time Patrick was captured and taken hostage. who knows if this story is true ? so much BS has been written and suppressed by the early church. nothing has changed through the years. the Church still covers things if we Catholics really knew the whole Story thats hidden by the Vatican .We would Tar & Feather the whole Lot of the unholy Fakers
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badolan | Mar 20, 2012, 05:37 PM EDT
Golly, I thought Pat was a Jew from Sweden. Isn't he the fella that baptized the sweet baby Jesus in Dublin? Now, we could use a nice article on the Ester Bunny. You know, the one from Cork.
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citizen69 | Mar 18, 2012, 01:45 PM EDT
Buffalobrave: Yes, the bigotry still exists to a degree on BOTH sides. It's true that young people in a mixed marriage may not feel safe to live in an area that is mostly Protestant or mostly Catholic but there are many neutral areas also.
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solasbeire | Mar 18, 2012, 11:33 AM EDT
Well, I've read that he kept Kosher, so maybe he was really the first Irish Jew? ;-)
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Buffalobrave | Mar 18, 2012, 10:15 AM EDT
citizen69: I am referring to one particular case. Loyalist/Unionism are very paranoid when it comes to the Catholic church and by extension nationalists.
They may get 'on well' as you put it, but don't get to cosy. Many young people from that part of the world who have 'mixed' marriages find to safer to emigrate to another country. Bigotry still exists.
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malachy49 | Mar 18, 2012, 05:49 AM EDT
Regarding being Protestant - I take Irish writer Brendan Behan's comment on this "The Protestant religion was born out of the bollocks of Henry the eighth."
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Scrivner | Mar 17, 2012, 11:51 PM EDT
Of course St Patrick is also for the Protestants, that's why he is often represented with an orange halo.
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PiperMac52 | Mar 17, 2012, 07:58 PM EDT
atrick was born in 385 western Great Britain into a high-ranking Roman Christian family; he died in Ireland in 461, though some accounts put his death later. His grandfather was a priest and his father--Calpurnius--was a deacon, as well as prosperous nobleman and local Roman official. Patrick’s native language was Latin.
His birth name was, reportedly, Maewyn, and the Latin name Patercius (Gaelicized to "Patrick" by the Irish) was given to him by Pope Celestine just before his mission to Ireland, as a token of the fruitfulness of his future mission, which would make him the pater civium (father of the people) of the Irish race.
He writes that as youths he and his companions "turned away from God, and did not keep his commandments, and did not obey our priests, who used to remind us of our salvation" (Conf. 1). But when he was sixteen he was kidnapped by Irish pirates and sold into slavery, where he served as a shepherd. This revolutionized his life; his faith and zeal for God were ignited, and he spent much time praying and fasting. After six years, he escaped, being led by private revelations along a safe route back to Britain. Afterwards, he was commissioned in another private revelation to serve as a missionary to Ireland.
To prepare, he traveled to France and spent around two decades as a monk—studying, praying, and practicing penance. He was ordained to the priesthood, and in 432 was sent to Ireland to serve St. Palladius, who had been consecrated bishop and sent to Ireland by Pope Celestine. When Palladius died on a trip to Britain, Patrick was chosen as his successor and was consecrated bishop by St. Germanus, the papal representative overseeing the Irish mission.
Patrick experienced enormous success in converting the Irish, and three assistant bishops from France were sent to help him, among them St. Sechnall (aka Secundinus). Within his generation the Irish had been transformed by God’s grace into a Christian (and Catholic) people.
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PiperMac52 | Mar 17, 2012, 07:50 PM EDT
The two writings from his pen that survive—his Confession and Letter to the Soldiers of Coroticus—are both in Latin, and both attest to his Catholic faith. The Letter—which Patrick wrote in a blazing fury after some of his newly baptized converts had been slaughtered during a raid by a British ruler—records his belief in the episcopacy, the ministerial priesthood, confirmation, the value of monks and nuns, purgatory, priestly absolution, and "doing hard penance" (the last two, he said the murdering soldiers needed). His later Confession has a mild tone (not being a response to a massacre) and mentions many of the same Catholic distinctives, as well as fasting, loss of salvation, and Patrick’s many private revelations. Another important source is a Latin hymn written in praise of him by his assistant bishop Sechnall, who records many of Patrick’s beliefs, among them the sacrifice of the Mass, merits, the fact the Church is built on Peter, and baptismal regeneration...From a history of St. Patrick by James Atkins
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DanOLoingsigh | Mar 17, 2012, 07:15 PM EDT
Council or Synod of Whitby was 7th century...settled the date of Easter to the Roman tradition...
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seanomelb | Mar 17, 2012, 06:11 PM EDT
Differences existed between the "Celtic church and the Catholic church up to the 11th century.Easter was celebrated in the "Celtic Church' using the eastern rites calendar,this and other issues were solved by the "council of Whitby in the 11th century. So it is fair to say that form of "eastern" Christianity was practiced in Ireland and Britain.
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Gearoid4 | Mar 17, 2012, 02:58 PM EDT
@AlunPalmer, The concept of a "Celtic Church" originated after the reformation, as some protestant divines sought to depict their church as the continuation of this mythical, elusive early Irish form of Christianity. The ancient Irish Christians would be bemused at this, as they would not even have considered themselves "Celtic". The latest studies of the ethnic origins of the Irish population, suggests that they mostly descend from a band of people who emigrated to Ireland from Iberia some 5000-6000 years ago.
St Patrick was a member of the Church universal and thus can be described as a Catholic missionary, who brought the Good News of the Gospels to Irish shores. There was no deep denominational fissures at this time, unlike what happened across Europe some 1000 years later. Overall St Patrick can be claimed by all Christians in Ireland, who should all celebrate his legacy with pride and gusto.
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OldMariner | Mar 17, 2012, 02:34 PM EDT
You've got to wonder how many of these people actually believe this. There are also some Orthodox/Byzantine Catholics who proclaim that Patrick was an eastern Christian, and, in fact, that the ancient Irish church was more eastern in liturgical and philosophical practice than of the Roman church. The latter point I'm skeptical and the former one I completely dismiss. Actually this point, Pat is a prod, doesn't even rate a discussion.
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