Sinn Fein surge as Irish Government vote collapses

@WoundedKnee, the lady you quote runs the Immigration Control Platform, not PARTY…also the ‘empty lands’ argument only works for the 19th century in the US, but emigration continued, and continues. Don’t know who she is labelling ‘Mass Immigration fanatics’, most people want a robust policy; otherwise people traffickers decide who arrives. But this is quite different to the ‘No Immigration fanatics’, who blame hardworking immigrants for their plight. I can show you a little town in the West of Ireland, where a fair number of locals never worked one day during all the boom years, while the blow-ins drove the taxis, worked the night-shifts, and generally did the jobs nobody else wanted…they are no less victims than the Irish born so give them a break.

I've just been reading an interview with Aine O Connell, one of the leaders of the Immigration Control party in ireland. She addresses one of the dumbest arguments that is put forward by some Mass Immigration fanatics--that Irish people emigrated, they therefore should let all and sundry into Ireland: "This line of thinking is a uniquely Irish insanity. No other people in Europe talks like this. Is there a major Irish demographic in Nigeria, Romania or China? They went essentially to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,as did people from all over Europe. These countries were treated as "empty" lands to be filled up from abroad. A great deal of our emigration was to Britain, which all through the 19th century and part of the 20th century was not emigration at all but migration within the state (UK) and subsequently Britain chose to have a common travel and residential area between us. Look at the masses who emigrated from Southern Italy. Do the Italians go around saying "we Italians should open our borders"? Between 1850 and 1900 Germans were never less than a quarter of all emigrants to the US. Could you imagine telling a German that Germany therefore owes it to the world to open up her borders? This is a daftness unique to us. What do we owe the Nigerians? Nothing. The Romanians? Nothing. The Chinese? Nothing. We owe them one thing only – to respect their sovereignty and not breach their borders. A pity they don’t show us that respect.

@WoundedKnee; Hot Jameson’s, since you’re offering… cloves, lemon and sugar of course.

DanOLoingsigh: Are you on something?

SF raiding banks? That's kind of like saying--"chickens stealing chickens from the fox's den".

Bore George, sure as hell glad I’m not having to listen to your voice…Lets recap; the 'dancing at the crossroads' vision was first mentioned by another poster, @mcdolan. You retorted in your typical manner, and it went on from there. Check the posts and tell me where I said I believed the actual words of the quote were accurate…my point was that it is used in the manner described…and it doesn’t matter that it wasn’t actually said. Maybe poster @mcdolan can say why he used it, if you’re still struggling?

OLOONsich, you tell us that no one would ever believe that silly quote ascribed to Roosevelt, but YOU believe that silly quote wrongly ascribed to De Valera? There's no sense to what you write--no one can follow you. Just what are you tryng to say? It's gibberish, in which you can invent quotes from whomever you like, and then refute them. It's psychotic--are you hearing voices too?

Boy George, I was right, it is too subtle for you. Let’s take it real slow – ONE: just as the non quote of Marie Antoinette is shorthand for the French Aristocracies attitude to the peasants, EVEN THOUGH IT CANNOT BE PROVED SHE EVER SAID IT, TWO: the De Valera non quote is accepted as shorthand for his vision of a pastoral, non industrial Irish idyll, EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER SAID IT, Why? Because it is frequently used in that context…that’s what a ‘shorthand reference’ means. THREE: Your Roosevelt's example fails the ‘shorthand' test because as you yourself said, nobody ever would believe he would say anything like that... SIMPLE AS 1,2,3.

OLOONsigh: How can it be shorthand for De Valera's vision, if he never said it? That's utter nonsense, the kind you pump out on a daily basis. It's as if I said "people jumping around the prairie" was Roosevelt's vision. Of course he never said any such thing, but in your Fantasy land that doesn't matter. A bit like Alice in Wonderland--you can ascribe any nonsense to anyuone. You're a dope, there's no other word for it.

SF in government, at least they know a thing or two about dealing with the banks, they've raided enough of them!

@Boy George…It was your failure to spot poster @mcdolan’s reference I was alluding to. The term ‘dancing at the crossroads’ is shorthand for the De Valera vision, even though there is no record of him using those words…It’s a bit like the Marie Antoinette non-quote "Let them eat cake" or more accurately "Let them eat brioche"…no record that she said that either, but everyone understands the reference…maybe that’s too subtle for you?

OLoonsigh: "the lap-dancing of comely maidens". Are you trying to parody De Valera's wartime speech? I guess you're too ignorant of history for this to matter to you, but for other readers I would point out that there is no record of De Valera ever talking about maidens dancing. It's nonsense, which is what OLonsigh produces in great volumes.

I'm just saying that Adams and SF have evolved into--more like pragmatists and less like idealogues--plus he wouldn't back down from foreign pressure. I think he has more backbone and tenacity than the current crop. A gamble for sure, but these are desperate, critical times that requires someone to take a firm hold on the "wheel". Leftists usually move more towards the center when they assume power in a democratic system--especially in the EU. Changing conditions change smart leaders philosophies--like Churchill glueing himself to the socialist FDR, way back when.

@mcdolan. Maybe this is how it sounds now? "A land whose countryside would be blighted with the silence of ghost estates, whose offshore accounts would be joyous with the laughter of secured bondholders, with the rip-off by sturdy bankers, the departure of athletic youths and the lap-dancing of comely maidens."

mcdolan: What's a "dancing at the crossroads vision"? Does one have to smoke something in order to have such a vision?