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Scotland now claiming Ireland’s patron Saint Patrick as one of their own

Local historian claims St. Patrick was born in Scotland


A Scottish historian believes that St Patrick, Ireland's patron saint was born in West Dunbartonshire, Scotland.
A Scottish historian believes that St Patrick, Ireland's patron saint was born in West Dunbartonshire, Scotland.

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A Scottish historian believes that St Patrick, Ireland's patron saint was born in West Dunbartonshire, Scotland. Up to now, it has always been reported that Ireland's patron saint was from Wales.

However, Billy Scobie, whose research was the catalyst for an ecumenical service on the Rock to mark the Feast of St Andrew of Scotland last year, says a clue may lie in the heraldry of the Earldom of Lennox, according to The Dumbarton Reporter.

"It is surely more than coincidence that the flag of Ireland, as incorporated in the Union Jack, bears the central feature of the heraldry of the Scottish earldom in which the patron saint of
Ireland is traditionally believed to have been born."

He said that the flag of St Patrick includes the central aspect of the Lennox Arms - a red saltire, a diagonal or St Andrew's-type cross, on a white background, which was adopted by the Earls of Lennox around the 12th or 13th century.

In November of last year, church and civic representatives gathered on the site of an ancient chapel dedicated to St Patrick to celebrate the life of St Andrew, Scotland's patron saint.

Scobie, who is the author of the novel 'Upon This Rock,' said the Rock is the oldest recorded fortified site in Britain and that "this has perhaps overshadowed the fact that it has also, since very early times, been a focus of Christian worship."

"It is probable that Christianity came first to the Dumbarton area through soldiers or merchants of the Roman Empire.

"There are a number of historians who believe that St Patrick was the son of a paymaster attached to the Roman Legions who are also connected with this area through the Antonine Wall, which is now an official World Heritage Site and runs into Old Kilpatrick.

"It could well be that St Patrick, who around 450 AD sent a letter condemning slavery to Coroticus, who is believed to have been a king ruling from Alt Clut (an ancient name for Dumbarton Rock), was born here and taken into captivity here and sold into slavery in Ireland.

"A chapel dedicated to St Patrick on Dumbarton Rock is said to have been founded by St Modwenna in the 6th century, then the earliest reference to Dumbarton as the birthplace of St Patrick was in an 11th century manuscript.

"By the 12th century considerable numbers of pilgrims were visiting the saint's shrine at Kilpatrick, just a few miles from the Rock. By 1542 an English military document was referring to Dumbarton as the birthplace of St Patrick as a simple statement of fact.

"The reason for the choice of the red saltire as an Irish national flag is also a matter of debate. The strongest theory is that it was taken from the Order of St Patrick which was founded in 1783, and
which adopted as its emblem a red saltire on white. But why was this symbol chosen by the Order of St Patrick? We would love to find out.


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I would not be surprised if this St Patrick chap was made up..
OK misswhisp! If so, I stand corrected. I was just retrospectively circumspect given the crypto-theocratic skullduggery of the reputed Laudibiliter, 1169. The fact that both Pope Adrian IV and King Henry II were Englishmen requires some explaining to be done.
What nationality he was is less important as to what kind of Christian he was? The history of Christian orthodoxy has not been kind to native peoples. It can be considered the paradigm imperialism, from which other temporal authorities took their perfideous cue. Having served to repress native pagan Druidism, he can be considered the precursor of Adrian IVs Laudibiliter to Henry II. The rest is hysteria!
Pretty thin evidence. It could simply mean those earls wanted to advertise that they were descended, as was Wallace of the movie Braveheart, from Brian Boru. British and European royalty and nobility sought to marry Brian's descendants because Boru had the only accepted genealogy going back to Adam through the relatives of Christ, this picking yup Christ's genealogy. This was a big deal in the Middle Ages.
the scots have a tradition of stealing from the people of Ireland, Scot Dempster tried to alter Vatican records to credit his thieving scot nature on thingies Irish - changing of nigh all Vatican documents on the Irish to being that of Scotland. The English as is evident by their six counties take over have taken the guts out of Ireland's seats of kings and myths. The Severn valley is from whence Patrick was taken as a slave. Hadrian's wall in north England was the boundry by which the Romans kept out scots intent on doing them harm. To find Patrick's Daddy leaping the wall and having children born in Scotland shows the lenght heritage stealers will go. Inadequacy, plain and simple.
Patrick was the son of citizens of Rome, I believe. I wonder, however, if they were Celtic- they could have been Welsh or Scots Celts or ethnic descendents of Rome. I believe that we do not know where St. Patrick is buried but if his remains are discovered, DNA advancements might identify his ethnic background.
I gratefully lived in Scotland (a most beautifully landscaped piece of our world to which I would encourage all to visit), for some time, unfortunately discovering in that time that, excepting quite a many few, it was riven with wicked communities with little sense of Christian neighbourhoodliness or charity. And still is, today. We need saintly people to re-invigorate Scotland’s huge Christian heritage, as introduced to them all by Ireland’s saintly monks spreading the good news as expounded by St. Patrick and his follows-on. Perhaps Scotland needs people from America to re-invigorate Scotland’s true Christian heritage... that of the true Christ, wherein no Catholic or Protestant beliefs exist but only that of Christ.
citizen69 - " All we know for sure is that he wasn't Irish." We also know that the Irish were Christian and literate long before the English or Normans. It's also widely accepted that Christianity was in Ireland prior to St. Patrick, who may have been an indigenous Scot (a term which derives from the Irish) but not an anglo-Scot.
@anglo-nutzi - "Why ever not...the Irish claim everyone else" Give us some examples of how the Irish, as a race (or sub-racial taxonomy) have claimed someone as Irish who had not already self identified as Irish you pathetic troll.
Citezen69 using silliness yet again to diminish the Irish. Whayt's your point Wellington was Irish the pope is not Italian,hitler was not German etc.
Ah sure he was Scottish and it is why the clover had only three leaves.
One of my favourite intra-national flags is the pre-Act of Union, 1800/'01 British union emblem, ie the current British union flag minus the Saint Patrick's saltire. Just seems nicely uncluttered not being the symbolic meat in the imperial sandwich. If and when Scotland pulls out of the currently constituted nominal United Kingdom, and Ireland and Scotland ally, the previous British union flag minus the enlarged superimposed Saint George's cross of England would look quite snappy too. If St Patrick was Welsh in a Roman occupied Britain, he could be considered Roman too.
What a bunch of unscientific hogwash! As citizen69 appropriately points out, NOT ALWAYS reported Patrick from Wales! Scotland, England, Wales, Manx, France and Italy have all been mentioned by one historian or another. Many grant that St. Patrick was educated in France or Italy. England has long been the favorite of authors. Wales and Scotland have also been mentioned. What has been gaining favor in recent years is the notion of the "two-Patrick" theory.
http://saints.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=89
Regardless of this article's opening paragraph, it has NOT always been reported that Patrick was from Wales. Scotland has long been suspected as his birthplace, along with Wales, England and even a few people think he was from France! All we know for sure is that he wasn't Irish.




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