Roger Casement human rights abuse photographs found

Erskine Childers was executed by Free State officers in 1922, not the British.

Most blogger's on this subject seem to "generally" agree on the historical details. Casement was vilified by the British,there were allegations of forged diaries and homosexuality. Another British diplomat known to Casement was Erskine Childers and he to was denigrated by the British led by Stanley Baldwin. They embarrassed their British masters. and both paid the ultimate price for their principals.

My thanks to those posters who alerted me to the fact that this site has made a mess of my posting. For the record, I DID write the note which commences "Supporters of violence like OLoonsigh should be forced to justify their hatred and bigotry". I stand over that note, as I stand over all attacks on the violence and imperialism that OLoonigh has been advocating here. I DID NOT write the post which commences "KevinKehoe – seanomelbourne – The history of Ireland is a lot more complex...". In fact I could never have written such pro-imperialist trash. I call on Irish Central to wake up, start controlling and monitoring posts in a professional manner, cut out the laziness and sloppiness that characterizes this site, and remove my name from that particular piece of garbage.

GeorgeDillon, I agree that Tom Crean was an Irish Hero, and you should not feel ashamed by what any of your ancestors got up to, but am a little confused by the rest of it?

I'm confused to GeorgeDillon, I think you may have forgotten who you are or who you were judging by you last two posts.

GeorgeDillon, am confused when you say you have an RIC man in your family, and in the next post that you don’t? Don’t worry, you can’t help who your ancestors were; it’s what you do with your life that counts, not folks who were dead long before you came along.

With regard to the guy who appears proud of his RIC ancestor, it should be remembered that it was the RIC in Kerry who arrested Casement and dragged him off to be hanged in London. The RIC were England's eyes and ears and thugs in Ireland. I thank God I have no RIC ancestry, on the contrary my forefathers fought to protect the Irish Republic against enemies foreign and native.

KevinKehoe – seanomelbourne – The history of Ireland is a lot more complex than most people are now prepared to admit, and may be read many ways; We are all subjective in how we use the sources. I am attempting to show that not everyone AT THE TIME thought that an independent Ireland was the right course to take; this included many both Protestant and Catholic. In my family tree I have forebears who took both views, including a ‘Rebel Priest’ and an RIC man. They had their own reasons. In the First World War, thousands of Irishmen busied themselves building warships; others bred and sold many thousands of horses for cavalry regiments, so there was plenty of active support for the war effort. When they found themselves on the ‘wrong’ side, Tom Crean and many more had to take a ‘vow of silence’ when they came home…is it not time that their voices were heard?

Supporters of violence like OLoonsigh should be forced to justify their hatred and bigotry. OLoonsigh, do you condemn the mass killing in Europe perpetrated between 1914 and 1918 by the political forces you admire? Specifically, do you feel shame for the perhaps 50,000 people killed by Irishmen serving in the British Armed Forces in that period? Shame on you if you support murder and mayhem, just because Irishmen were doing the killing.

Again you misread history,the Unionists were invited to sit in the first parliament(in fact some did).They rejected the majority and ran away to Carson and (Churchill an anti-Irish bigot). Carson on his death bed regretted his stance on an independent Ireland.

Ah now Dan come on,some politicians then and now say one thing and do another. Mr Redmond was chosen and was soon found out by the people. He preached of liberty and freedom for the Irish people but al-lass no action to that end.In fact quite the opposite, he helped on behalf of Britain to persuade Irishmen, some hungry for freedom, others for a wage to fill empty stomachs to volunteer and fight with there only enemy on this earth at that time and die in there thousands as cannon fodder.I know and I'm delighted that relations between Ireland and Briton are on the up since the Good Friday Agreement and may they stay that way but we can learn from truthful history and not always believe what politicians and some media say. W.M.D might ring a bell in the US or on a financial theme the lies the recent Irish Government have been telling there people.

KevinKehoe, you are correct, I am quoting contemporary historical figures, not modern and not filtered through a green-tinted prism. I am quoting a former US President…and John Redmond was the Irish peoples choice at the time, so who are you or I to say they were wrong?

Dan O Loingsign must think he’s writing to a tabloid back in 1900’s and that people still believe all the fairy tales that politicians tell,[come to think of it politicians are still telling them] so that there country men will fight and die for a cause that really is about making the Internationals Bankers and arms manufactures even more wealthy than they need to be. Especially when they finance and arm both sides in the conflict as thay did in the First World War. Dan quotes former US President Taft as saying German militarism is a cancer which must be cut out by a surgical operation. That was some surgery, 9 million men died in the trenches. Up to WW1 the British Empire was the biggest military power. Germany and Europe was bursting at the seems and needed to expand but Britain was having none of it as she controlled the high seas and wanted to keep the status quoi. History records now that Germany offered the Allies in 1916 unconditional peace terms while they had the upper hand. But after talks with Bankers based in Germany, London and New York Britain refused after they were promised America would be persuaded to join the war on the side of the Allies. President Woodrow Wilson got elected on a mandate from the American people that he would not drag America into the war. A few months later he broke his promise. [Sounds familiar] Dan I recommend you read or listen to two speech’s by two great American Presidents. First Presidents Eisenhower’s last speech to the Nation and President J.F. Kennedy speech on secret societies and if you have time read Ireland, Germany and the Freedom of the Seas by Roger Casement a great Irish Patriot and humanitarian of all peoples.

I think Dan O Loingsign must be in a time warp. He seems to be quoting history writing and printed in a bygone age by news media feed by powerful propaganda from the British establishment of the time and not by credible writers and historians then and since. Remembering one of the first acts Britain took was to cut the transatlantic cables from mainland Europe leaving there own in place. By doing so only there side of what was going on in Europe would be told. The first of the untruths was as we know now was the outrages claim that German soldiers were raping nuns and massacring children in the small nation Belgium. The same Belgium under King Leopold which was responsible for the torture and genocide of the peoples of the Congo first exposed by Roger Casement just a few years earlier. As for Home Rule for Ireland it was simply a ploy? Pass it then suspend it and with the help of John Redmond, promised the bold Paddy if he fights and dies in there thousands against Germany. A country that never harmed, oppressed the Irish people, or practiced genocide at the time of the so called famine [one crop failed] and denied its people democracy, then the British Empire might grant home rule. Looking back at it now it was ludicrous. Ireland was the small nation overrun by tyranny. After WWI at the Treaty of Versailles the Allied powers would not even discuss Ireland plight, says a lot about there concern for the welfare of small nations. I think they were too busy carving up there new Empires.

Seanomelbourne, the 3rd Home Rule Bill DID become law, but was suspended on the outbreak of World War One. I’m not trying to ignore 1918, but chronologically it did come after 1916, so cannot be relevant for the rising. I agree that the will of the majority of the Irish people in 1918 was for an independent republic, but nobody could find a way to coerce or persuade the unionists into that republic. The view at the time was that the ‘six county’ mini state was a very temporary solution. This has not proven to be the case, and let’s face it, Southern politicians made very little effort to win over the unionists, perhaps because in an ‘ALL IRELAND’ context, who ever the unionists backed could form the government.