Roger Casement human rights abuse photographs found

The british artificially forced three distinct groups into a country to promote and exploit internal conflict - it's not really disputable. The same tactic and results in Afghanistan where the Pashtun nation was artificially divided - a large percentage residing in Northern Pakistan. The "british" (a contrived bolshevik term to begin with) are not native to North America either.

Kurtjohnson – agree much of your comparison Iraq –Saudi, but I think your i.e. should be an e.g. – SH not so good with the Kurds or Marsh Arabs, though. I befriended some Christian families in Baghdad, and they said the best time for them in Iraq was under the British Mandate, as they were generally more educated than their Muslim neighbours…they said the Brits tried to keep ethnic balance, and did not defer to the tribal leaders as readily as later. The planters had been resident for a lot longer than most Irish Americans in USA, and more could have been done to ‘reach out’ to the less strident of them, but it did not accord with the AOH view that ‘Ulster must follow’.

Edit - I meant Iran not Iraq in the second to last post. Of course, the british terror state created Iraq as three ethnicities/branches of Islam that hated each other so that they could never unite and rise against imperialism. Of course, with a small middle class and no hope of stable consensus, the only logical regime is a dictatorship. Notably, Hussein's regime was much more tolerant than britain's primary ally in the region, Saudi Arabia (i.e. his foreign minister was Christian).

@ DanOLoingsigh If the UK was a "unitary state" as you allege, why didn't the property laws which protected tenants in England protect the indigenous Irish from eviction during the 1800s?

Britain creates and promotes terror all over the world. The occupied counties (O6) were certainly a terror state for the indigenous residents (and still are in many ways). Unfortunately for british citizens, the british terror state is slowly importing the techniques of oppression it perfected in the O6 to the british mainland. Ever ask yourself what created the conditions for a dictatorship in Iraq after the british toppled the peaceful democratic regime in 1956 and put the repressive Shah in power as their puppet? Yes, partition was an artificial division so that the planters could create a south africa style supremacists state with the intention of driving out and oppressing the indigenous people.

Kurt, I have lived and worked in some genuine ‘Terror States’ including Milosevic’s Yugoslavia and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, so you’ll forgive me if I demur from your extremist republican hyperbole. Partition was at the behest of the Unionist Irish, and even republican paramilitaries eventually accepted that their consent would be needed to effect a United Ireland… they refused to be bombed and bullied into one.

@DanOLoingsigh The terror state was a "unitary state" in name only - it was a form of ongoing medieval proto-bolshevism without the consent of the original captive nations let alone the Irish people. Put simply, it had/has no legitimate basis other than force. The notion that the terror state was even close to being a "democracy" b/f WWI is a grotesque fraud. Even today it remains today in substance a class/caste driven oligarchy only functioning in form as a hybrid monarchy-republic (i.e. the City of London has much more power/influence than the crown). Let's see your evidence that both sides had equal excesses - the british terror state clearly targeted civilian non-combatants for harrassment, torture, and murder as it has all over the world. See the Report of the American Commission on the Condition in Ireland - primarily Protestant in membership - for a realistic picture of terror state atrocities during this period. Partition was a tool to promote sectarian violence against the indigenous people still trapped in the occupied six - do you seriously dispute that this divide was promoted and exacerbated by the government? I do not begrudge the Irish leaders who chose partition given that the british terror state, as threatened, would have unleashed a holocaust against non-combatants (the tan war was a prelude to this).

Seanomelbourne – I am more than happy to condemn British excesses in Ireland, Black & Tans etc; there were excesses on both sides, something that’s not easily accepted by some. Sorry Sean, but it is a fact that the 3rd Home Rule bill did pass into law on 18 September 1914 as ‘The Government of Ireland Act 1914 (4 & 5 Geo. 5 c. 90) the references in brackets show that it was on the statute book. It was suspended for the duration of the war, and never implemented due to the War of Independence, and then the Treaty - another area of debate, either a ‘sell out’ or the ‘half a loaf’ argument, depending on ones point of view; the Irish negotiators faced an impossible dilemma, and did what they believed was right at the time. Others disagree, as is their right.

Dan seems to be a fence sitter unable to condemn British excesses in Ireland. You do have a right to free speech,but at least show your true colours. The home rule bill never passed into law as it was stymied (twice) by the house of lords. it was never passed to the lords for a third reading the reason being,it would automatically become law and/or because of the Curragh mutiny when British officers refused to carry out the government orders. whether the lords passed it or not.Britain to it's chagrin lost Ireland by dishonouring it's promise of Home Rule.So much for British democracy and as i said previously the British high command was more powerful than parliament.

For anyone interested a fascinating new book mainly about Roger Casement's time in Germany with the Irish Brigade has been published in Ireland by Choice Publishing.ie this year. It was written by Casement's recruiting officer Capt.Michael Keogh, but was stolen from his death bed in 1964 and recovered in 2005.It goes into great detail of what went on in Germany and the camps from a source untapped before.Some of Brigade went on to fight on the Western Front with Germany others as Hamburg Dock Police who were then in a position to help smuggle arms to Ireland for the War of Independence.The book is "With Casement's Irish Brigade" also points out that none of the 5o volunteers got assistance from the Irish state after the wars.

WoundedKnee – I am not trying to ‘deal with’ the topic, just give a different viewpoint. I am not expecting others to necessarily agree, but I would not suggest anyone ‘quits posting’, given free speech and all that, so just what parts of the 0531 post do you find inaccurate or stupid. I am keen to learn

DanOLoingsigh: Your simplistic Anglophile analysis is quite inadequate to deal with this topic. I suggest you quit posting--or better still, instead of stupid statements offer some thoughtful questions and we will try to help you learn.

@kurtjohnson. The UK, then a unitary state including all of Ireland, had a well developed parliamentary system, successfully exported across the world. The 1910 General Election mandated the IPP to seek ‘Home Rule’, which was accepted and passed into law Compare and contrast that with the USA and what happened when some of their states ‘voted for independence’ in 1860. 1916 needs to be viewed from more than one perspective…partition was seen as a temporary fix mitigating sectarian violence…I’m not saying that was right or wrong, I am saying that the men who made that choice were between a rock and a hard place…simplistic Anglophobe analysis does them a grave disservice.

@DanOLoingsigh When was it again that the british terror state gave the Irish people a right to vote for their independence? Re Canada and the other Commonwealth nations, I wasn't aware that they had been artificially bifurcated against their will for the purpose of promoting sectarian violence. Also, Canada has at various times had strong Franco secessionist movements. Additionally, in most of these countries the british terror state managed to nearly exterminate the indigenous people whereas they weren't as successful in Ireland.

I am well aware of the events leading up to his death that was not the point. He was arrested by Collins Free State cohorts for carrying a pistol.A pearl handled colt a wedding gift from Collins.