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• KatieMurphy | Jun 13, 2012, 02:38 AM EDT

  the sooner the better the priests are gone. Save the children, have married priests, which I think it was Iraish central or Irish times that said polls support it like 90%...........Its time to take back the church from the roman tyrants of "absolute truths"................Virtually every tyrant in history ahs been an absolutist - my way or the highway......the only question as rome loses power is whehter it will go back to its own ways during the 1st "Holy" Inwuisition. Is htere yet an RFP for stakes and racks and "tall burning chairs" from the vatican.??

• Stiofain | Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM EDT

  KweenoHearts: You did answer Scottmcgowan with a carefully thought out counter reply. Have none?..Jung Woman,good point

• Jung Woman | Jun 10, 2012, 08:04 PM EDT

  Have you been listening or are you just a carbon copy of what we have been forced fed the same old rhetoric? Again - what would Jesus do? Seriously. Listen to yourselves. A hierarchy that asks a woman to produce an unlimited numbers of babies has no interest in her welfare or for that matter social justice of any kind. We are living in a age of questions and the church had better come up with some pretty sound answers or just continue to falter. There are decent conscious people within the church but they have no voice because they are female! Remember there are 7 sacraments for men. Only 6 for women!

• KweenOHearts | Jun 10, 2012, 05:52 PM EDT

  bear022013 -- Your story matches my thoughts, EXACTLY!! I've seen way too many dishonest scammers and thieves go after what they think are the 'deep pockets of the Church' and succeed because they have equally dishonest lawyers who aid them, along with a crowd of loud anti-Catholic screamers with a heavy ax to grind who prod them on..... Scottmcgowan -- you make such an eloquent case (yeah, sure..nyuk, nyuk!) against the long-held Church discipline! I wonder why the Pope does not hire you ASAP to be his personal secretary and Church policy advisor, you sound like such a highly qualified, self-anointed 'academic'....now, if only you would learn to spell "celibacy" you might be a bit more believable! As it is your credentials are good for a laugh anyway. Good thing you have the rabble rousers cheering you on, otherwise you might feel a bit lonely.

• KweenOHearts | Jun 10, 2012, 05:48 PM EDT

  Kilgara, fear not...yes, there are faithful Catholics in this website, even if the heterodox screamers occupy themselves mightily trying to destroy what Christ created with their foaming at the mouth heretical attacks.... Was it Shakespeare who said something along the lines of "Hell is empty... and the devils are ALL here!" -- So relax, the rabid minions of Satan are only doing their master's bidding.... One fine disciple is our friend the NewAgey queen Portia (I think that was Nero's mother's name too), whose tales of woe against the enslavement of Ireland by the Vatican, her spurious 'gospel tales' written by extra-biblical writers, and her rants against male-hierarchy in general are great knee-slappers. And to think that all of this entertainment is free... Is America great, or what!!!

• Jung Woman | Jun 10, 2012, 05:27 PM EDT

  I doubt there will be any male priests left in Ireland within a decade. The schism has already begun. We are witnessing the second "Fall of Rome" - i.e. Vatican City. The internal corruption and secrecy is burning the church from within. There will be one pope after this one and he will have no power. If Jesus were to show up again give me one good reason why he would want to be a Catholic!

• Mary53 | Jun 09, 2012, 05:28 PM EDT

  the sooner women are ordained the better!

• Stiofain | Jun 09, 2012, 04:22 PM EDT

  "Ireland free at last!"

• Bythebay | Jun 09, 2012, 03:44 PM EDT

  The Vatican has its own jail which is where the butler who leaked information about the Vatican now is. Christ didn't have his own jail or his own State. There has also been allegations of illegalities by the Vatican Bank. The Vatican Bank, Christ didn't have one of those either. The Irish people have wised up to what the Catholic Church is about and it's certainly not continuing the Church Christ founded, far from it!!

• Curitiba | Jun 09, 2012, 01:44 PM EDT

  DeanJackson:Sounds to me like one part of the general "march through the institutions" by communists.

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• PhlutiePhan | Jun 09, 2012, 11:19 AM EDT

  In regard to "DeanJackson": He has a valid point. The shooting of JPII was traced to Bulgaria under orders from the Soviet Union. Malachi Brendan Martin stated that JPI was murdered by Soviet agents. He also stated that there was an infiltration of Vatican II and various consistories in the election of various popes. John XXIII ridiculed the "Secret of Fatima" as does Bertone who is now the Secretary of State and jockeying to take over the Vatican with the death of Ratzinger. As Martin wrote plenty of times, it is all about a world socialist government.

• PhlutiePhan | Jun 09, 2012, 11:13 AM EDT

  The Brits tried to wipe them out by killing them. If Gerry Adams has his way, he will do the same with his socialist republic. In fact, I expect him to dig up the body of St. Patrick and hang it on the walls of Dublin.

• Portia777 | Jun 09, 2012, 09:53 AM EDT

  hermitTalker |but the "clericalism" that this very humble holy Pope speaks of often. Forget where he lives, but check his personal lifestyle and that of his predecessors. Holy men who cared deeply and gave all."Right, pope lives in a palace with hundreds of spare rooms, has the biggest bank on the planet, lays claim to own Mother Earth and all she creates.??So how is that caring? By their actions shall ye know them.

• Portia777 | Jun 09, 2012, 09:40 AM EDT

  kilgara."Aren't there any faithful Roman Catholics on this site? Christ said "You are Peter and upon this Rock I will build My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".The current scandals have been like a hell to His Church but it will surely re-emerge stronger than ever.It is inevitable."How do you know Jesus said that peter?And if he did, what did he really mean? A church based on male hierarchy only- would that tell you Jesus was evolved? No, the opposite. Jesus and the ROMAN Catholic church are not the same. Research and learn how those who followed the way of Christ and Osiris before him were infiltrated by the Roman church, who then took over, and in doing so murdered as many followers of Christ and Mary Magdalene as they could find- MILLIONS were murdered in the name of Christ. Would that be a group any one in their right mind would want to be FAITHFUL to?

• kilgara | Jun 09, 2012, 01:59 AM EDT

  Aren't there any faithful Roman Catholics on this site? Christ said "You are Peter and upon this Rock I will build My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".The current scandals have been like a hell to His Church but it will surely re-emerge stronger than ever.It is inevitable.

• walter3ca | Jun 08, 2012, 11:25 PM EDT

  This is a bad thing because . . . ?

• OBPiper | Jun 08, 2012, 08:52 PM EDT

  Great discussions, esp. by ScotMcGowan and McNamara31, and CulchieWoman! Right on. I hope that Roman-Norman imperialism does not destroy spirituality.

• McNamara31 | Jun 08, 2012, 07:37 PM EDT

  Scottmcgowan...Well said and true. The Jesuits do teach people to be faith filled but also people of thought and reason.

• Scottmcgowan | Jun 08, 2012, 07:13 PM EDT

  The Church cannot afford this to happen. Ireland has given so much of their sons and daughters in terms of priests and nuns. My grandmother's family were from Killala so I have an added vested interest in this. For centuries, the Irish Church fought Rome during the period when they forced celibecy on Holy Mother Church - we fought that battle for centuries but eventually lost. I truely believe that St. Bridget was a consecrated bishop. So, the hope for the Church in Ireland is to lead the battle for a return to a married clergy. There are roughly 18 rites of the Catholic Church that recognize the Pope. How is it that it is only the largest of the rites - the Roman rite - that requires celebacy? Time to return to the original Church - the celebacy only came about during the past 1,000 years after all. I am a traditional Catholic who believes in the sacraments but I also believe in a married clergy. I also go beyond that and call for an ordained clergy that allows women to become priests! That last statment will put me in the - horrors of horrors - in the fringe group of ultra liberal Catholics, according to our more consertitive brothers and sisters. I also believe in contraception. I will fight to the end to defend our wonderful Christ-filled American sisters who have given so much to the Church. I went to Catholic grade school, a Jesuit undergraduate school, a Vincentian College for a master's, and I have another master's and a Ph.D. from another Jesuit univesity. I am not bragging about my degrees (you know the old saying: Ph.D. - piled high and deep!; I only bring that up in the sense of saying that the Jesuits taught me to think and to make decisions. I am not condeming the Church but just want to prod it along to accept men and women equally. That is my opinion.

• ballylanger | Jun 08, 2012, 05:03 PM EDT

  A drop in the number of scammers taking advantage of the stupid Irish is to be welcomed.

• Nicoletta | Jun 08, 2012, 03:51 PM EDT

  The Catholic church in Ireland is down, but not out yet, nor ever will be! Many young people are being called in a radical way to the true practice of the faith. In the US the new orders are booming, as more and more of the youth become disillusioned with the culture (or lack of it!) of today. Deo Gratias!

• AlunPalmer | Jun 08, 2012, 03:28 PM EDT

  They won't disappear they'll just all be Polish!

• McNamara31 | Jun 08, 2012, 03:07 PM EDT

  Russian Orthodox Church, Greek Orthodox Church, why not an Irish Orthodox Church? These were the original Catholic Churches who followed Christ’s teachings and who had a married priesthood prior to the schism and creation of the celibate Roman Catholic Church as we know it today. Ireland gave more in the way of priests and nuns and missionaries than any other country. The faithful built the churches, schools and hospital in Ireland and why should all the good works of the ages go down the tubes because of the present Vatican leadership.

• JBRAFTREE | Jun 08, 2012, 01:21 PM EDT

  Get 'em from Poland like we do.

• Nicomax | Jun 08, 2012, 01:04 PM EDT

  Not sure it's worth the time and trouble, but the solution is right in front of the Irish bishops. Allow all the married deacons to become priests, and offer all those complaining US nuns free passage, room and board to come to Ireland and fill these vacant slots as priests. Then send a note to Benny in Rome and say, "We did the best we could to survive."

• culchiewoman | Jun 08, 2012, 01:01 PM EDT

  I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at your comment, editorCT. "Christ's church?" This church hasn't resembled anything near Christ-like in centuries. And therein lies the rub and its eventual demise...or reformation. Hoban et al are at least giving reformation a stab, and may well be on to something. Apologists and deluded sheeple like yourself, editorCT, will only continue to abet its demise. Jesus would weep at your obtuseness. As for hermitTalker: "it preserved the fullness of Jesus' teaching"? Seriously? I don't recall Jesus teaching his followers to rape, torture and enslave women and children, as well as 'non-believers' over centuries. Yet the RCC has practised this with zeal for eons. As for those priests cultivated in Africa, etc., now coming to fill empty parishes in Ireland, the US, and elsewhere...wait until you begin reaping what was sown with these young fellows. They, too, were victimised just as thousands of lay children and women were in Ireland and elsewhere. And they will become victimisers themselves, as so often happens with those abused, repeating the same sick cycle. Once the corrupt heirarchy are separated from the actual teachings and foundations upon which the RCC was allegedly built (separated in the minds of the "good" sheeple, that is), and paedophiles, abusers and rapists properly prosecuted and dealt with rather than hidden under the carpet and shifted from parish to parish, you can begin the process of rebuilding what was once good about Catholicism. Until that day, look forward to seeing pews empty and vocations decline. It's inevitable. Cillowen, you're so far off the mark it's almost comical. The island isn't belly up: its belief in vicious, misogynistic sky gods and male authoritarian figures unworthy of the title 'father' is.

• ocaiside | Jun 08, 2012, 12:54 PM EDT

  There are at least three other ways to look at this prediction: 1. The Church of Ireland and the Orthodox Church are likely to still be around in 20 years. 2. The Catholic Church may be able to "straighten up and fly right", making at least a partial recovery; or, 3. It won't matter that there are no Catholic clergy, since there won't be any Catholics to speak of. (See 1., above) However, short of #2. coming to fruition, who would want to join up with this sad outfit? No one in his right mind. Those of us still left had better try very hard to make #2. happen.

• ocaiside | Jun 08, 2012, 11:53 AM EDT

  The Association of Catholic Priests has as one of its missions to discourage. Discouragement is never of God. hermitTalker speaks with wisdom. Thank you for that lucid explanation of the priesthood and loving service.

• hermitTalker | Jun 08, 2012, 11:00 AM EDT

  not to worry true believers and haters. Ireland sent them to Africa and worldwide. Africa and Poland and the Philippines and others are sending them here gradually. The Catholic Church, very emphatically said 50 years ago at the Vatican Council it preserved the fullness of Jesus' teaching but others have saints and holy people and many of the core teachings of dogma and the Bible and such. The Spirit breathes where HE wills as Jesus said so we find His Voice in diverse people and ideas. Some of you are so stuck on attacking the trees you are incapable of seeing the beautiful forest. Wake up your souls and see His presence all around you. vocations will return when faith returns and that requires clearing out a lot of ignorance, laziness and clericalism. Not clergy and bishops as such, but the "clericalism" that this very humble holy Pope speaks of often. Forget where he lives, but check his personal lifestyle and that of his predecessors. Holy men who cared deeply and gave all.

• sidhemajik | Jun 08, 2012, 10:48 AM EDT

  I find this to be uplifting news. Enough of the tyranny of this archaic sect. When everyone realizes that we do not need an intermediary to communicate with God, we will all be better off.

• Woodkern | Jun 08, 2012, 10:44 AM EDT

  Deacons are not laymen, but clerics, as they are in Holy Orders. I really believe that a married priesthood is inevitable and necessary in Western Catholicism in the future. I used to think it impractical when several priests would live together in a large parish house. Now, I see my childhood parish (which suffered no such scandals, thank God) down to one lone priest, living alone in a large house. There is room now for a future priest and wife and children. It works for Eastern Catholic and Orthodox priests, who are no less pastors than RC clergy. When I was hospitalized for a month and moved to another hospital for additional care, a friend who is an Orthodox priest commented, "Great! You're in my parish now!". He came to visit me EVERY DAY during my hospital stay, at times with his family in tow. His prayers and encourage were a great solace to me. The paid RC hospital chaplain visited me once.

• Frosty38 | Jun 08, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

  frist how many of the people that made the comments are church going Catholics? How invalid are you in the church? what do you do at your church.

• rainbowbrew | Jun 08, 2012, 10:29 AM EDT

  I find it interestingthat the Catholics think they are the only religion of Christ. is that to say that you can not be Christian is you are not catholic? Maybe thisis part of their ego problem thinking they are the best. Christ would not want the current leadership in his world. he would go in like he did in his day kick all teh non-religious out of the church. There are many people who are good Christians but there are very few in the Catholic hierarchy who are truly religious they become corporate hackmen. The ego of we are the only ones is at best selfish and not christian like for sure.

• EditorCT | Jun 08, 2012, 10:02 AM EDT

  rugbyplayer, What we need are good, sound truly Catholic bishops who will discipine bad priests. But why are the media asking dissenting priests like Fr Hoban for his comment? Who cares what he thinks? He wants to reorganise the Church to suit himself - let him and his ACP pals start their own church and leave Christ's Church alone.

• CitizenWhy | Jun 08, 2012, 10:00 AM EDT

  rugbyplayer ... Interesting comment. Ireland went without bishops until Catholic Emancipation in the 1830s.

• CitizenWhy | Jun 08, 2012, 09:58 AM EDT

  Predictions of the "end of" are normally exaggerated. There will be fewer priests, a number smaller than desirable, there will be a priest within easy driving distance throughout Ireland. With only about 30% of Irish attending mass each week fewer priests are needed.

• rugbyplayer | Jun 08, 2012, 09:53 AM EDT

  Ummm, isn't there a way to keep the priests but get rid of the bishops?

• GregShox | Jun 08, 2012, 09:47 AM EDT

  Terrible news. It's very disappointing to hear that there will still be 1,000 priests left twenty years from now.

• donal1951 | Jun 08, 2012, 09:34 AM EDT

  One correction, a deacon is not a layman. It is the first rung of Holy Orders, the sacrament that also includes priests and bishops. St. Stephen, the first Christian martyr, was a deacon so the sacred office goes back to the time of the apostles. It is true they cannot celebrate Mass or hear confessions, those sacraments are reserved to priests and bishops.

• Portia777 | Jun 08, 2012, 09:20 AM EDT

  Brilliant news. Good riddance to all that all male hierarchical pomp and ceremony, dressing up and getting money for brainwashing us from birth with their untruths to keep us under their control.I doubt there will be many tears as we return to our spirituality prior to 1172.