Pope Benedict accused of masterminding Catholic Church sex abuse cover-up

FAt chance, IC readers on the pope affirming Evolution. the ultra-conservative pope must know that affirming evolution blows up the adam and eve story on which virtually all western religions are based............The pope grew up btw in a church which had banned books list until vatican II.............Which it appears the Pope is trying to undo.

If your opposed to using a clump of 150 cells to help end dread diseases, eg altheimers, macular degeneration etc, shouldnt we all oppose sending REAL PEOPLe to fight in Afghanistan, sacrificing thousands. I'm real serious on this one just to make a point.

Several issues here. First of all so many posters seem to be trying to divert attention from the IC story - of the grand cover up of the endless hidden molestation of children by the church hierarchy Also, someone complained about there being more molestation in the USA in general then in the church First of all, the church ran a conspiracy to cover up these evil crimes. That's the real problem, PERIOD. Had the church immediately attacted the problem, probably 90% of the problem would have not occurred And second, the USA is has a lot larger population then the alter boys and some other kids in the church. Most people realize that less then 1% of ordginary people molest children, while SNAP says 5000 priests molested kids, about 8% of the priests..............And it estimates half the molesters are still unknown. 10,000 bad preists out of 50 to 70 thousand - horrendous..............When will the church allow priests to marry?

the reason the host was handed to people instead of placed on the tongue was because of the fear of the aids epidemic. at the time no-one knew how it was spreading, so the bishops and medical community decided to be safe rather than sorry.

I think that Kung is correct. There should be another Vatican Council. I think the agenda should be to completely expose the sins of our current Clerical System, which has effectively taken the Church away from "The People of God." Pope John XXIII envisions a church where the Laity would be empowered, and over the last 40 years, we haven't seen too much Laity muscle when dealing with the abuses of Clericalism. Had the Laity been empowered, we wouldn't have had the Priest Pedophilia Scandal and the subsequent, Scandalous Coverups by bishops, archbishops, cardinals and even the Pope! The "Magisterium" would have been afraid of being kicked out of their princely estates and forced to live like ordinary men, without parading around in ridiculous, medieval costumes, that St. Peter and the apostles would have been caught dead in! I'm thoroughly disgusted with the whole lot of them. Why do "The People of God" even bother keeping them around?

In reply to Carroll09- It is very easy for you to figure out if these photographs of an impostor Pope are fake or genuine. And if you want to quote the Bayside Messages then in the interest of full truth please quote them in their entirety.

Who are the dissidents to Jesus' teachings?

Vincentruane- as I said before, I don't know the sources of the photographs: the website doesn't reveal the source. I have already told you what Canon Law says about responding to claims:the Church would not be making a judgement on whether the messages were genuine or not,but on whether or not they contain anything which is contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church-which,as Catholics,we trust that Christ (as He promised) will not permit to teach error.All it would take is one message to be contrary to the teachings of the Church-I have pointed out some already.However,on May 29,1976,Ms Leuken claimed that 666 is NOT the number of ONE man - this is COMPLETELY CONTRARY to Scripture and the consistent teaching of the Church,which says that it IS the number of ONE man...She claimed in May 1969 that God existed before the Trinity-that he "subdivided" Himself.The Catholic Church has always taught that was and is always the Holy Trinity,of Father,Son and Holy Spirit...On November 1,1977,she claimed that ALL teachers in the school-system have fallen to satan.These are not cases of the media hiding things-these messages are freely available from Bayside-affiliated sites.Such claims as these cause confusion and instil fear and suspicion among the faithful.Rightly were they condemned by the bishop & I would strongly admonish you,if you are indeed a member of the Catholic faithful,to trust in the teachings of the Church which we know have come from Christ Himself through the Apostles, preserved from error.You should humbly obey the bishop,knowing that the Church herself will bring you to Christ- you can,with trust in Christ,pray that the bishop will be led to the right decision about Bayside if the initial decision was,as you claim,misguided.

Again in reply to Carroll09-Whether the Bayside messages are true or not, is wide open for debate, but to condemn them without a proper Church investigation is wrong and very wrong! In relation to prophecy all prophecy is always conditionally on prayer,penance and atonement. Also be aware that the major power branches of the media hides a lot of truth from people. In relation to the photographs they have been confirmed by many independent sources who have no belief in the Bayside messages.

The CC has flat out condemned the Bayside 'apparitions' Check out the Vatican website.

Also,regarding what you claim to be an absence of an investigation.I presume you mean by this that Ms Leuken (or others perhaps) was not interviewed by the bishop-he would certainly have been in a position to evaluate the widely-publicised messages without visiting the site.Canon law,contrary to what some associated with Bayside claim,does not require a bishop to carry out interviews.Can.326 gives the bishop authority to suppress such activity as Bayside "if its activity causes grave harm to ecclesiastical doctrine or discipline or is a scandal to the faithful".The purpose of an investigation is not to make a judgement on whether x,y,z is appearing,but to assess whether or not supposed messages are contrary to the teaching of the Church.Many of the messages are clearly doctrinally unsound-such as the O.F. of the Holy Mass being inferior to that of the E.F.,which is absolutely at odds with what the Church teaches.You keep telling me that the messages tell people to use holy water,to go to confession,to pray the Rosary-all laudable things;however,1.you don't need Bayside to tell you these things and 2.don't be fooled into thinking that the devil wouldn't be happy to give 99% truth if he could introduce just 1% error into the minds of the faithful with the result being confusion,disobedient to the successors of the Apostles-the devil knows well that he has much power in a kingdom divided against itself,which is why I urge you to build your faith,as Christ built His Church,on the Rock,Peter-& his successors who have the assurance that the Holy Spirit will be with them always.

Vincentruane-I am comfortable quoting St Ignatius as he,as an Apostolic Father,with the other Church Fathers demonstrates the importance of the living Sacred Tradition.Again,as I have said regarding what you call photographic "evidence"-the sources of those photographs are never revealed.You are asking me to automatically accept that they are all genuine "papal" photographs.The fact is,as I've said,that any Pope Paul lookalike,such as the actor in question could have merely dressed up as the pope,had his photograph taken,and then say to the world that the photos are of the pope himself.As for it taking "at least 12 years of concentrated study to understand the Holy Bible"-12 years for whom?Scripture itself is clear that the Church is to interpret & explain the Scriptures to us-yesterday's Mass reading from Acts 8 shows the inability of the eunuch to interpret Isaiah without the help of the Apostle Philip.The response to Christ's question "who do men say I am"(Matt 16)-only led to conflicting answers:John the Baptist,Elijah,Jeremiah or one of the prophets.This is what happens when you leave everyone to interpret Scripture for themselves-evident in the ever growing number of Protestant denominations.God revealed the true answer to Peter.

Also CarrollO9-I'm real puzzled by the fact that you feel comfortable using a quote from a ST.Ignatius Antioch from AD110, and you are also comfortable about ignoring strong photograph evidence and strong voice analysis from around 1975. That is one massive contradiction and also the Bayside messages state that it takes at least 12 years of concentrated study to understand the Holy Bible.

In reply to Carroll09- You keep trying to avoid the key point and this it, the Catholic Church has never carried out a honest investigation of the Bayside messages, so it is dishonest to tell people to stay away from them, and this most definetly ignores some of God's Ten Major Commandments and the apostles and Jesus obviously believed strongly in The Ten Commandments. Also the Bayside messages strongly advise that all Catholics should use lots of Holy Water.

Vincentruane-just to add one further note:I wonder if you are familiar with Saint Faustina-it is said that she saw Jesus many times & indeed her obedience was put to the test.On one occasion she asked her Mother Superior for permission to make a certain sacrifice which Jesus requested.She was scolded by Mother Jane and told that she was not to make the sacrifice.She obeyed,and soon after Christ told her that her humble obedience to her superior was more pleasing to Him than any sacrifices she could have made-He always encouraged her to be obedient.Later,of course after numerous impediments,the Church decided that there was nothing in the Divine Mercy messages which were contrary to faith and morals.The point is that one ought to be humbly obedient when a pastor makes a judgement for the spiritual welfare of the faithful-if the judgement was hasty,the faithful can have confidence that the Lord, who is with His Apostles throughout the ages through the Holy Spirit as He promised,will always lead His Church to the right decision.As Pope John Paul II told the young people at WYD 2000: "If you love Christ, love the Church!" As St Ignatius of Antioch (A.D.110) said:"Follow your bishop...as Christ followed the Father.Obey your clergy too as you would the Apostles...Where the bishop is to be seen,there let all his people be;just as,wherever Jesus Christ is present,there is the Catholic Church."