Peace in Northern Ireland shattered by frustrated, under-educated Loyalists whose union flag protests have no clear endgame

Seano. What your last post has in referance to mine is somewhat confusing since I have never denied any of the injustices, even the ones you mention carried out between the working class, who heavily outnumber any other section of the dead and injured during the war. Nothing new here, its always been the wee man who sacrifices most. As for being selective, with respect its not me who is in denial of the present day injustices that are being carried out against the working class.When you stick to the truth and call a spade a spade its hard to loose the arguement.

The percieved minority group in NI will always be out causing trouble. It brings attention to their cause.....

Curitiba, the Met engaging the Romanian police is solely to apprehend Romanian, criminal, nationals. There is no precedent in soliciting foreign policing to deal with domestic unrest. Utter fool. IrelandNorth: talking crap like usual. And Sean, would rather insult that offer even a vein of argument.

ToryTory! The common semantic demoninator of the Irish national police force - Án Gárda Síochána na h'Eireann and the neo-provincial police force - Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI)/(Án Serbhís Poílíní na Túarscírt Éireann) is Eireann/Ireland. How foreign is that? Though I is is a recognisable symptom of neo-imperialism to enforeignate indigenous people. A tad projection goin' on? barneyjoe! Hystoria will indeed be the final arbiter. STEVENSTAR! Nice to see ya have a sense of humour. Just when I though Ulster Presbyterians were a dour lot. I'm beginning to warm to ya - me auld flower! Curitiba! Some of us would be highly surprised if many a Public Order Unit (POU) Garda hadn't done there battle innoculation on the street of Belfast or Derry since the Good Friday [and Lisbon] Agreement (GFA). seamus60! How do ya explain Protestant working class loyalty to an aristocratic class which isn't even in the same socioeconomic stratosphere? Curitiba! The real mainland is Europe.

If an Englishman decides he wants to intimidate and be racist towards his Irish neighbour in England, he won't be getting any big blocks of cash from Westminster for that. But when a British man decides that he wants to to do the same to his Irish neighbour in NI, they expect the full support of the state. I think they will find that will no longer be the case, due to budget cuts. Plus a lot of people in England are sick of their actions. There's no longer any common bond between them because you would have to go back further than American Independence to find a common ancestor between those on the Mainland and their "kith and kin" in NI.

Sure Seamus that's why then did the wee folk murdrer or beat almost to death nationalists who were given jobs in Harland and wolf and other industries such as the wee dram factory. How selective can you be!!! Anglo My boy I can walk down any street in Melb and not have to worry about what religion I may or may not adhere to. Walk down Donegal pass waving the tricolour ans see how far you get

Seanomelb loves Ireland so much that he emigrated to Australia...

Seano. Theres a fair amount of truth in FallsNats last post. Any socialist will recognise and acknowledge that the ordinary wee Nationalist on the Falls Road has a lot more in common with the ordinary wee loyalist on the Shankill Road than either have with their same living up the Malone Road. We don`t see too many protests in high employment area`s like the bible belt. It is always very easy to get those closer to poverty onto the streets regardless of their reason. He is right also about the politicians doing so well for so little return. Unfortunately the flag issue will once again allow the same politicians the type of deflection they can only dream of, when they are being challenged over their lack of progress on the subject of delivering what the poorest need most. Gerry kelly tonight on the Nolan show used the recent survey results that 36 of the most 40 deprived wards were Nationalist as proof that loyalists were`nt being stripped of anything. Tomorrow he will be spoofing his load about all that he and his party have got Nationalists since they got into Gov. It can`t be both.

torytory: Uniformed Romanian police officers accompany Metropolitan Police officers in London when dealing with crime involving the Romanian community, so there is a precedent of a UK police force soliciting a foreign police force to deal with UK law and order issues. So it's best to do your research properly before shooting your mouth off and making yourself look a prat.

S/Read "altough I do not always agree with IrelandNorth". Stevenstar has just corroborated my post on him,how sad. Thats it Fallser find an excuse to back the thuggery. I like many came from poor beginnings,I did not have to riot to rise above my poverty to become wealthy. Get the point man.

there are other causes here, the peace process has served the politicians well & they have made a good living off of it, the working class have high unemployment, little prospect of getting on housing ladder & even if they leave with high education passes, they are now competing for jobs in a Europe recession. The closure of traditional high street businesses hasn't helped, both HMV & Blockbuster have fallen victim to less consumer & internet spending. Yes, the Loyaists have identified the flag issue as their rallying call, but the answer this time goes beyond the underlying sectarian tensions between the 2 communities & has more to do with socio-economic issues.

@@IrelandNorth | Jan 16, 2013, 03:47 AM EST >>>IRELAND NORTH I OFTEN WONDER IF YOU ACTUALLY WORK, AS U SAY YOU PAY TAXES ? .. WELL AS FAR AS I CAN SEE , THAT YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR DAY ON HERE LEAVING VERY @LONG WINDED@ MESSAGES .....YOU SEEM LIKE A VERY OPIONATED MAN ... GOD HELP ANYONE THAT HAS TO LIVE WITH YOU LIKE A WIFE OR YOUR BOYFRIEND..WHATEVER YOU SWING ... HAHA!!! YOU JUST COME ACROSS AS A VERY ANGRY MAN ... CHILL OUT FOR GODS SAKE .. LIFE IS TOO SHORT MATE ..

Some of the posts below are atad pedantic and more clarity is needed. Woundeknee may be suffering from "multiple personality disorder" ONe post he's with you and in the next post he flips 180 degrees. He knows not whether he's Arthur or Martha.Torytory does not have a personality, like stevenstar they only spew hate. IF the Orange rampaging thugs suffer from an inadequate education system who's fault is that?? If they perceive the nationalists as having a superior education system maybe they should look and learn. Personally I don't buy the "education Card" as the reason for the riots. IN my opinion it is used by those as an excuse to back the rioters. Altouhg I do not agree with Ireland North he always writes a reasonable piece.hardhitting sometimes and other times to subtle for the likes of W/knee,Stevenstar and co.

Warrenpoint. With respect you don`t surrender unless your beaten. We surrendered, not through the lack of trying but through the treason of a corupt leadership. Woundedknee being witness to the same with a certain SF`er ( no longer with us with good reason)being sent to his neck of the woods to shut down a very deserving component of the struggle and replacing it with yesmen. Loyalists have never been sitting so pretty and its millitant loyalists (left behind through stupidity) who are now controlling the genie Robinson let out of the lamp in a last ditch effort to claw something for all their years of trouble.

SORRY BUT PEACE IS NOT SHATTTERED.. IM IRISH I LIVE HERE AND AS MOST PEOPLE IN IRELAND AND IN THE UK KNOW THIS IS ONLY A SMALL TINY TINY MINORITY WHO ARE DOING THIS ..... SO PLEASE PLEASE IRISH CENTRAL LESS OF THE AMERICAN STYLE DRAMA NEWSPAPER REPORTING !!!!!!!!!!! THANK U