Public outcry and further debate has erupted over abortion in Ireland since the death of 17-week pregnant Savita Halappanavar in Galway. The 31-year-old first time mother died of septic shock having suffered a miscarriage. The doctors stated they could not abort her pregnancy due to the current Irish laws.
Health Minister James Reilly told Newstalk he has no evidence that a Catholic ethos prevented Savita’s life being saved by a medical termination of her pregnancy.
Savita, an Indian native who worked as a dentist, asked that her pregnancy be terminated several times but the doctors at the Galway hospital had to refuse because the fetus had a heartbeat. Her husband Praveen Halappanavar (34) said the doctors had told them “this is a Catholic country.”
When the fetus’ heart stopped, two days later, Savita was rushed to surgery. She later died of septicemia while in the intensive care unit.
Savita’s tragic story is being reported around the world. From the Herald Sun, in Australia, to the Times of India, The Guardian and New York magazine, they report that Savita died having been denied an abortion.
Vigils and protests have been held around Ireland. In Dublin, in front of the Dail (Ireland’s parliament) an estimated 2,000-plus came to show their respects for Savita and called for the Irish government to introduce new legislation on abortion.
In Cork, 400 people gathered for a candlelit vigil, many carrying placards calling for this new legislation on the foot of the “X case”. Other signs spoke of the shame that the country feels over what happened to Savita. Other protests took place in Eyre Square, in Galway and another in front of the Irish Embassy in London.
Read more: Niall O'Dowd - Irish government and Catholic hierarchy need to disavow reasons for death of pregnant woman
Many of the protestors and those calling for the government to address a new legislation on abortion are using the slogan “We Are All Savita Halappanavar”, posting it on Twitter, Facebook and blogs.
A quote from the Reproductive Health Reality Check website is also being repeated. The editor in chief wrote, “Someone's daughter, wife, friend, perhaps sister is now dead. Why? Because a non-viable fetus was more important than her life. Because she was left to suffer for days on end in service of an ideological stance and religion she did not share. Because a wanted pregnancy went horribly wrong, and, because as must now be clear, there are people who don't care about the lives of women.”
On Wednesday Reilly also called on the Irish government to introduce legislation to give effect to the “X case”.
The “X case” refers to the 1992 Supreme Court ruling that abortions should be legally carried out in Ireland if the mother’s life is in danger. However, over the past 20 years the government has failed to pass legislation on the matter despite ongoing debate. It is estimated that 42,000 Irish women travel abroad for an abortion every year.
Child psychologist Mary Phelan was at the Cork vigil, organized by Cork Feminista. She told the Irish Times she had travelled to the event to express her anger at the lack of legislation.
She said, “I couldn’t find the words to describe how I felt I was so outraged when I heard what happened to this poor woman - it just shouldn’t have happened - they can say we must learn lessons from it but this was an entirely predictable mess and they left it happen.
"It’s not good enough to just say that it can’t happen again - we must make sure that it doesn’t happen again - I feel mortified in front of the world that we have stood by and allowed this happen in our country today - I think we should all be hanging our heads in shame."
The pro-life group, Youth Defense, released a statement stating that being denied an abortion did not kill Savita. They said, “According to the information that is available, it seems that a delay in administering antibiotics may have been the cause of the septicemia which tragically led to her death.
“Experts commenting on the case have made it clear that in such cases the main concentration of the medical team treating any woman in these situations would be on maintaining her health…In fact, without abortion, Ireland is one of the safest places in the world for a mother to have a baby, according to the United Nations.”
The Minister for Health called on the people of Ireland to wait for the outcome of the investigations into Savita’s death. They are being carried out by the Galway hospital and the Hospital and Health Service Executive (HSE).
Here's the PA's report from the Dublin vigil last night:
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.EamonnDublin | Nov 29, 2012, 09:08 AM EST
"Leahforce" and others. NONE of us knows what happened in Galway. Wait for the Inquiry. I don't know what part of the world you live in, but, if you are in Ireland, you will know that the position has changed dramatically in the last 24 hours. Even those who were in the vanguard of the attackwagon are now agreeing that the death of Mrs. Halappavanar had NOTHING to do with an abortion. So, now, let's start talking a bit of sense, shall we? For starters, you might begin by recognising that IRELAND has one of the very best safety records - for the mother and the baby - in the world. And THAT is whether you like it or not! Éamonn, Dublin, Very Proud to be Irish.
leahforce | Nov 24, 2012, 02:22 PM EST
Medical malpractice for wrongful death due to GROSS negligence civilly. In any other civilized country the treating physician would face criminal charges for negligent homicide. The HSE should face a wrongful death suit for millions and be shaken from it's rotting roots up.
EamonnDublin | Nov 17, 2012, 06:45 PM EST
Good Man Yourself, a Sheain! Maith a buachaill! You have my total respect. BTW, the temperature is changing somewhat here at the moment. I get the distinct impression that more of the people are becoming a little tired of the Indian authorities and media - as well as our own Irish media. As you know, the Irish are great at thumping the ould craw, but when others bang on the drum a little too long and a little too loudly, we can always turn and stand up for ourselves. And yes, OF COURSE there is every possible sympathy for Savita Halappanaver and her unborn baby, but the fact remains that she was NOT "murdered", the doctors and nurses are NOT Barbarians, and everybody here is truly sad for what happened - BUT, it is a bit rich for the Indian authorities (where 20,000 women die during childbirth every year - as opposed to Ireland's fantastically safe record) to abuse Ireland and summon our ambassador for an "explanation". I say to them - get your own house in order, and that INCLUDES trying to do SOMETHING about the 1,000 "honour killings" of innocent young women every year. And I repeat - the damn CHEEK of them!!! Best Wishes and thank you for your comment. Éamonn.
seanomelb | Nov 17, 2012, 05:21 PM EST
Eamonn maybe I was a bit harsh in my judgement
EamonnDublin | Nov 17, 2012, 10:31 AM EST
Eiriamach - You REALLY are most annoying. Please have a read of my initial comment on this matter (3.52, November 15th) and then reflect on all of the ridiculous nonsense of your accusations since then. As George Bernard Shaw once said, "Show me the man who twists the words of others, and I'll show you the man whose mental integrity is wrapped in a cocktail sausage". Éamonn.
eiriamach | Nov 17, 2012, 09:07 AM EST
"Those" are not inferior to me, Eamonn. My comments were directed solely to YOU. If YOU'RE feeling inferior, that experience may be the beginning of wisdom. Most other people have enough common sense most of the time to avoid the kind of shoddy reasoning you regularly display. But perhaps you CHOOSE to write with the mental capacity of a four-year-old because YOU think others are of lesser intellect and will find your words persuasive? We are not all Woundedknee! You "specified" only your irrelevant ranting against people who were not the involved in this tragic incident. You still don't understand, or you refuse to. Try a dictionary: I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T! I am offended by your arrogant, persistent, and callous attempts to distract attention from an Irish hospital's tragic disregard of a pregnant woman's human rights. Think about her rights before you write again!
Will Hamilton | Nov 17, 2012, 08:54 AM EST
Ireland is not a Catholic Country. It's a Roman Catholic dominated country poisoned by the State within the State operated by the Vatican. Enda Kenny say's he does not want to be rushed into making a decision 20 years overdue. Welcome to the Republic of Botched.
EamonnDublin | Nov 17, 2012, 06:55 AM EST
Sean - I am saddened that you decided to play the race card. I should have expected more from you. Now, can you PLEASE tell me exactly where I referred to "the colour and religious beliefs of others" in my comments? If it were a white English woman who had died, or a white Australian, and their respective governments and media had made accusations such as the Indians have made, my comments would be EXACTLY the same. As for accusing me of not sticking to the facts, you will have heard of "looking outside the box". No? Yes? Best Wishes to Sunny Australia - yes including all the various colours and religions! (Ooops - is THAT racist also?) Éamonn.
EamonnDublin | Nov 17, 2012, 06:45 AM EST
"Eiriamach" - Are you attempting to provide lessons in various terminologies for logic, or are you indulging in a discussion? Your adolescent method of describing what you are saying, for the presumed benefit those you obviously presume to be inferior to you, is quite, quite sad. Now, can you PLEASE tell me exactly what you are writing about when you accuse me of calling (even "implicitly") the Indian media and embassy "hypocrites" for "focusing on Savita's death when so many PREGNANT women die in India". I was writing, as I specified very clearly, about HONOUR KILLINGS in that country. I made my point very clear - an accidental death in dangerous and abnormal circumstances comes nowhere near to the INTENTIONAL killing (murder) of thousands of innocent young women. These women are killed, as I am sure you are aware, not because they are pregnant (although I am sure there are cases of that also), but because they have somehow "besmirched the family honour - by various means, one such being their refusal to marry an old man, etc. By abusing Ireland for the death of Savita, whilst turning a blind eye to its own culture of murdering innocent young women, India is indeed guilty of HYPOCRISY - at its worst. Now, what was that about "logic" again? Éamonn, Dublin.
seanomelb | Nov 16, 2012, 10:19 PM EST
Unfortunately Eamonn seems to focus on the colour and religious beliefs of others rather than stick to the facts.
eiriamach | Nov 16, 2012, 06:36 PM EST
Eamonn, you implicitly called the Indian embassy, along with the media, hypocrites (ad hominem fallacy) for focusing on Savita's death in Ireland when so many pregnant women die in India. You wrote, "The Indian government might indeed reflect on which is worse - a very rare death in abnormal and dangerous circumstances, or an average of 1,000 murders per year of young females in a country whose culture and political establishment turns a blind eye to such matters. The intentional murder of young women and girls is surely far, far worse than even the very sad death of Savita." So, yes, you certainly were "comparing 'honour killings' to what happened in Galway" and trying to diminish the impact of the Irish case by talking about the Indian cases. It's appallingly careless, shoddy reasoning, and I hope no one here is taken in by it (I notice that Woundedknee is, but I'd expect no better from such a mind). I notice also that Seano pointed out the irrelevance of your words. An intro-level course in logic will help if your common sense is insufficient to avoid blatantly fallacious arguments.
EamonnDublin | Nov 16, 2012, 12:11 PM EST
Isn't it strange that the Irish media - along with plenty of others - have been telling us with great glee for the past few years that Ireland is now a "post-Catholic" country, but now, in the immediate aftermath of the Galway tragedy, Ireland has apparently become a society riddled with "Catholic ethos" again. Éamonn.
EamonnDublin | Nov 16, 2012, 12:07 PM EST
"Eiriamach" - Exactly where was I comparing "honour killings" to what happened in Galway? Nowhere! I simply called the damned cheek of the Indian authorities to complain vociferously about a single accidental death in Ireland, when their own country turns a blind eye to the intentional killing (murder) of 1,000 innocent young women in India every year. And I repeat - the damned cheek of them!!! Éamonn, Dublin.
eiriamach | Nov 16, 2012, 11:19 AM EST
EamonnD, when are you going to take the course in logic that you so badly need (research "tu quoque" and "red herring" and "false analogy" fallacies)? Honor killings in India are absolutely irrelevant to the question of culpable neglect by medical practitioners in an Irish hospital! A ridiculous comparison, or in everyday language, 'two wrongs don't make a right.' Muslims who murder in the name of honor do not provide an excuse for doctors who allow a pregnant women to die without making timely efforts to save her. There are protests because--clearly--there was a failure. It's true that we do not know whose failure or why, whether it was hospital or obstetric policy or some individual's imposing fanatic Catholic anti-choice controls on the situation. But no reasonable person can read about this death and conclude that everyone did everything right.
EamonnDublin | Nov 16, 2012, 09:56 AM EST
"Susan724" - You think this is "murder - pure and simple"??? Please make sure never to consider studying law - God forbid you would ever be a Judge!!! Éamonn, Dublin. (P.S. Is your hair up or down today? Just wondering.)
Towngate | Nov 16, 2012, 09:24 AM EST
Ultra sound scans taken in the UK will not reveal the gender of the unborn baby to any mothet due to the practice as described by the comment @ 03.20.
WoundedKnee | Nov 16, 2012, 03:23 AM EST
Celticsweetie: "ethnic sensitivity training".... Really? So the Irish should take courses to be sensitive to foreign migrants, but the foreign migrants won't take courses to be sensitive to the culture of country they have arrived in as settlers? Sign me up for one of those courses--I'll be the most disruptive kid in the class!
WoundedKnee | Nov 16, 2012, 03:20 AM EST
I rarely agree with Eamonn Dublin but I found his posts very convincing on this issue. He might have mentioned one further undesirable element of Indian culture in regards to infanticide. This is the fact that all statistics show that some Indians practice abortion of unborn children once they find out that the baby is a girl. These facts are not relevant to the current sad case in Ireland, but they are most definitely relevant to rejecting any bullying intervention by the Indian government or media in the affairs of Ireland.
celticsweetie | Nov 16, 2012, 01:15 AM EST
Hope no one needs a dentist this weekend since there is one less now. It is just disgusting that it happened. A beautiful person helping her community, contributing to the community now gone. May she rest in Peace. May those responsible loose their license for at least a year and be made to take ethics classes, ethnic sensitivity training, and medical diagnostics training at their expense. Also her funeral expenses should be paid for by the hospital as well as a compensation for loss of her income. Bless her family in their loss.
seanomelb | Nov 16, 2012, 12:01 AM EST
I absolutely agree that India sound a little hypocritical considering 'honour killings" Maybe I'm making a "rush to judgement" quick action was needed to save the yuong lady and I believe religious belief rather than a medical decision may have caused her death.
EamonnDublin | Nov 15, 2012, 06:39 PM EST
By the way, Sean, I mentioned "honour killings" in India for the simple reason that the Indian embassy in Dublin was today pontificating about a "potential diplomatic incident" over this matter. My point is very valid - the damn cheek of them, a country which turns a blind eye to the DELIBERATE killing of an average of 1,000 women a year in the name of "honour". Éamonn.
EamonnDublin | Nov 15, 2012, 06:34 PM EST
Sean, Going just a bit too far to already find the doctors in Galway "at least guilty of manslaughter"! Never heard of judicial process? Nobody who knows anything about the facts of this matter are coming even NEAR to accusing anybody of manslaughter or murder. Just cool it a bit, eh? Best Wishes, Éamonn.
misneac | Nov 15, 2012, 05:50 PM EST
Much of the pulicity about this tragic case is being give the predictable " Catholic/Ireland " bigoted slant .The real culprits are the politicians (including self proclaimed atheists like Gilmore and Quinn )who did not do their job and legislate .Incidentally ,the usual generalisation of the "Church " convenientely forgets that there are many churches and religions in Ireland ,all of whom have a say in forming legislation !
Gearoid4 | Nov 15, 2012, 04:51 PM EST
This terrible tragedy will be used by the pro-abort ideologues to push for abortion on demand before a full medical inquiry had been conducted into the cause of death. The Irish people must resist any pressure to legislate for pro-abortion legislation, as the Irish provision for maternal and baby care is amongst the best in the world.
Curitiba | Nov 15, 2012, 04:30 PM EST
Not sure that if an Irish person suffered some sort of tragic end in India due to some failing in an Indian hospital, that the local citizenry would be thronging the streets demanding justice for the Irish person.
seanomelb | Nov 15, 2012, 04:11 PM EST
It is irrelevant what happens in India or else where.The sad truth is that the doctors in Galway are at least guilty of manslaghter. Scmlomo why do the Irish deserve hat they get. your statement is wrapped in ignorance.
Schlomo | Nov 15, 2012, 04:00 PM EST
Health Minister James Reilly told Newstalk he has no evidence that a Catholic ethos prevented Savita’s life being saved by a medical termination of her pregnancy. Hypocritic moron O'Reilly is saying baloney and his flock (90% of the Irish) will believe him. The Irish truly deserve what an who the get.
EamonnDublin | Nov 15, 2012, 03:52 PM EST
It is with increasing upset and annoyance that I read and listen today to the Irish people's "humanity" and behaviour being called into question, both by the media and, amazingly, by the Indian embassy of all people. Without in any way wishing to diminish the awful tragedy of the Indian lady, Savita, and her unborn baby, I would ask is it not high time that the media, both national and international, gave more than a cursory, sideways glance at so-called "honour killings"? The Indian government might indeed reflect on which is worse - a very rare death in abnormal and dangerous circumstances, or an average of 1,000 murders per year of young females in a country whose culture and political establishment turns a blind eye to such matters. The intentional murder of young women and girls is surely far, far worse than even the very sad death of Savita. I am not forgetting the fact that Pakistan excels - for want of a better description - in honour murders, but we are just talking India today. Could the media's lack of interest possibly have anything to do with the fact that "honour killing" is not a Catholic thing? Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.
eiriamach | Nov 15, 2012, 03:18 PM EST
kennedy cites an accurate statistic but doesn't draw the point. Many abortions in India are self-induced, at-home, dangerous abortions by married women who already have more children than they can support. Most Indian hospital abortions are D & Cs, also unsafe and leading to life-threatening complications in many cases. In the USA, vacuum aspiration dramatically reduced the high rate of fatalities associated with D & C and self-induced abortions before Roe v Wade, and also reduced neonatal maternal and infant death rates. The problem in India stems from forced early marriage, denial of education to girls and women, lack of effective birth control, unsafe abortion procedures, and delays in rural women getting to life-saving medical help in hospitals. All of that adds up to good reasons to outlaw forced marriages of girls and to extend education, access to contraceptives, and safe vacuum aspiration in hospitals and clinics.
section4 | Nov 15, 2012, 03:12 PM EST
reality check from Dublin, there was not thousands there was only a few hundered and it was all organised by pro abortion activists like Ivana Bacik and clare daly. This ladys death was not about abortion, but these activists are trying to hijack this ladys sad death for there own political ends. I am proud of the fact bhat there is no abortion in Ireland, and i have lived in the UK and US and travelled through europe. It is nothing to do with the catholic church, I dont care what they think, I just dont t think it is right, furthermore there are many many secular thinkers in ireland who thinks like wise, just because bacik and daly shout loudest does not make them right.
Ms.Gail | Nov 15, 2012, 01:52 PM EST
The publicity on this could have negative impact on the Irish economy as businesses decide to locate where they won't have problems with locating their personnel who are concerned about potential medical care in Ireland. Regardless of what turns out to be the review results, it seems that bad medicine was practiced.
kennedy23 | Nov 15, 2012, 01:51 PM EST
In India 18,000 women die every year due to unsafe abortions,. It's a sad reality that 8% of all maternal deaths are due to unsafe abortions. An estimated four million women undergo unsafe abortions every year in India — one-fifth of the global figures. A lady dies in Ireland because of its laws and the world is up in arm’s and yes it’s a very sad case that should not have happened may she RIP . Yet these figures do nothing to the people of the world conscience The above Country also needs to address its own Problem when it comes to abortion Because Girls as young as 14 years old are having there lives destroyed because of the unsafe procedures of abortion and poor standards of healthcare within its own Country this is going on since India make abortion legal back in the 1970s .be pro or against Abortion there are many horror stories too .I sincerely hope Ireland can fined away to solve its stance on this matter as every Country on this planet is far from perfect And to add some people on this site need to think before they add comments Seen one comment on the issue of this poor women in another location on this site When the the two stories are different Regards ………………………………..
celticsweetie | Nov 15, 2012, 01:38 PM EST
This is MURDER!!!!!! She was already having a spontaneous abortion where the body terminates a preganancy that will not be viable. HENCE M U R D E R !!! Think I will cancel my visit next year until I hear these ancient and barbaric rules have been burned at the stake!!!!!
StevieVirginia | Nov 15, 2012, 01:27 PM EST
Oh Crap! The comment Nazis! I miss spelled on purpose. The idiot took the bait! Now of course you are such a douche that you need to get in the last word.
WoundedKnee | Nov 15, 2012, 01:20 PM EST
Stevie: You need to study a little US history. I don't have time to waste on you--if you don't know the significance of Wounded Knee you're an even bigger fool than I had thought. And " schpincters"??? Go take some spelling lessons.
StevieVirginia | Nov 15, 2012, 01:08 PM EST
Opinions are like schpincters, everybody has one. If I shot you in your good knee would you be a cripple or just a dumb ass with two wounded knees?
WoundedKnee | Nov 15, 2012, 12:43 PM EST
Sarainla: "I have lived in the US for over 20 years, yet I have retained my Irish accent". Why?
WoundedKnee | Nov 15, 2012, 12:42 PM EST
abeliever--You correctly remind us that the whole hullabaloo is based on the words of one man, not even a native speaker of English, and in "testimony" given to a journalist 5000 miles away. No due process for all the medical professionals involved, no, hang 'em for murder (susan--the dope). What extraordinary fools are the hysterical posters, and feminists in Ireland who have got so worked up based on the unexamined testimony of one man. Truly, there is no limit to man's (and woman's) stupidity...
WoundedKnee | Nov 15, 2012, 12:38 PM EST
" wait for the results of the investigation"... Biggles: What you say is so patently correct and logical than I am astounded at the parliament of fools who are baying, as right beneath your post susan does, about "murder". I had not known that so many fools existed.
WoundedKnee | Nov 15, 2012, 12:35 PM EST
lokionline: Sounds like you need a self-esteem transplant. You're more worried about what foreign media say than about your own opinions.
TisEyerish | Nov 15, 2012, 12:19 PM EST
My cousin, a strong practicing Catholic who had seven children to prove it, was diagnosed with breast cancer and had the left breast removed. She was cautioned by the surgeon that further pregnancies might activate cancer in the right breast. She and her husband asked the church for a dispensation in order to use birth control and were told "NO." Two years later, baby number eight was born and my cousin died six months later. I was 22 and, for the first time in my life, I questioned the Catholic Church. Hence, today, 43 years later, the only time I enter a Catholic Church is for a baptism, First Communion, Confirmation, Marriage or Funeral. How dare these flawed humans take people's lives in their hands? I will also say, though, that I lost a great deal of respect for my cousin, in continuing to listen to the Church.
hermitTalker | Nov 15, 2012, 12:04 PM EST
More bigoted ignorance. The facts are not in, the people of Ireland voted, according to Natural Law, and the principle of double effect, that a woman whose life is threatened, can have the baby removed,since it is not intentional. same as if I as a surgeon wanted to transplant an idiot's brain, I might get her hair mussed.
lokionline | Nov 15, 2012, 12:00 PM EST
This has become a worldwide story and Ireland comes across. like a third world country... again! The Dail have to get the outcome of this tragedy right and not obfuscate for 20 years like they have since 1992 and the "x" case.
biggles008 | Nov 15, 2012, 11:32 AM EST
S T O P . -------- And wait for the results of the investigation.
susan724 | Nov 15, 2012, 11:17 AM EST
This was murder, clear and simple.
ballylanger | Nov 15, 2012, 11:14 AM EST
We're a nation of vatican-farmed gobshites. I have just finished a book on John Charles McQuaid who was the virtual dictator of Ireland for his boss, the pope, for 4 decades and, who at one stage banned the sale of Tampax because it might 'excite' young ladies....
abeliever | Nov 15, 2012, 10:03 AM EST
Yes, this is a terrible tragedy but everyone needs to calm down. Demonstrations are being held on the words of a distraught husband.I sincerely hope the hospital carried out a postmortem examination before she was taken for cremation in her homeland. As onlookers I feel that we do not know the whole story. Can we just wait for the results of the investigation before we run around condemning an entire system and government.
SheilaSB | Nov 15, 2012, 09:58 AM EST
As I said in a post following an earlier article, the Irish law confuses miscarriage with premature birth. This young woman should have had a premature delivery of her child since the fetus had a heartbeat. The pregnancy might have been miscalculated and actually could have been 21-24 weeks gestational age and viable. The idiocy of the Irish "abortion" law and the doctors is absolutely inexcusable. They were not pro-life; they were negligent.
jimgordo1 | Nov 15, 2012, 09:51 AM EST
Is no one paying attention to the statement of the Health Minister??? I quote from the article above: "Health Minister James Reilly told Newstalk he has no evidence that a Catholic ethos prevented Savita’s life being saved by a medical termination of her pregnancy." The bottom line is this tragedy had nothing to do with a CATHOLIC hospital nor with Ireland being a CATHOLIC country. It only has to do with someone in the hospital having a CYA attitude. The hospital just plain screwed up and it had nothing to with anyone or anything being Catholic or Hindu or whatever.
SarahinLA | Nov 15, 2012, 08:28 AM EST
I have lived in the US for over 20 years, yet I have retained my Irish accent. I have over time been questioned over the 'Celtic Tiger' and how well Ireland was doing, to the demise of that same apparrent 'fairytale'. Recently I have received complementary observations regarding the taoisech's appearance on the front page of Time and a recent award he got in Berlin. Ireland has received a lot of very positive coverage in publications like the FT and the New York Times, WSJ etc. Yesterday I was once again egaged in conversation regarding Ireland and I was embarrassed to have an Irish accent. I am not in favor of abortion but from what I have learned so far, this case did not involve a straight forward abortion in that the mother had been determined to have mis-carried her baby and while there was a fetal heart beat, this baby would not have been born. I watched our evening news bulletin yesterday where this story featured prominently. This episode is making Ireland look like some backward place whose people live up a mountain.