Orangeman urinates in Catholic Church grounds during Belfast parade

Census of Ireland, 1911 reported the population of Ulster province as 1,581,696 (ie approximately 949,017 Protestants and 632,679 Roman Catholics respectively), in contrast to that of the Island of Ireland as a whole. (An Chartlánn Naisiúnta/National Archives, 2012). Carson's Covenant got 471,000 public signatories, ie only 49.6% of Ulster Protestants and 29.7% of Ulster's total population (with probably zero RCs signing). If Carson's Covenant had been a plebicite on Ulster maintaining the union with Great Britain/or imposing partition on Ireland, it would have been defeated by a ratio of 2:1 within the province. Which is perhaps why he resorted to threats of paramilitarism and gerrymandering, a poor substitute for consensus and constitutionality, thereby setting a precedent for reactionary violence of like kind. O'Brien, Bill and J Keegan, (Ed) (2012). "The Alternative Ulster Covenant: A Tribute to the Role of Progressive Protestantism in Irish History" reports that 12,000 Co Antrim Protestants signed FOR Home Rule and against Carson and partition in 1913, the year Carson's UVF was established. The rest is hysteria!

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Lets get real here folks. If the OO don`t give a monkeys about thousands of parades plodding all over the place every year, many that offend, they are hardly going to revert into "lets all talk" mode over something that is as mild as this dribbly drawers.

Poor old Kilsally trying to justify British yobbo behaviour.

The OO have only apoligised for the bandsman who couldn`t hold his water, because he got caught on camera.Nothing new in these lout bandsmen pissing in public.Nothing new either in that they never get charged with the same offence, even though in full view of ruc officers on many occassions. Must be an axcepted cultural thing. Where ever you may be , let your orange urine run free.

Of course this is acceptable in his community.

A slight improvement here in the mentality of those Irish unionists of the six counties of Ireland that are loyal to the british crown.Couple of years ago those same people were dumping their piss on six and seven year old catholic school children on their way to Holy cross school.I wonder what the british queen would think of her loyal brethern,s antics.

seanomelb and curtisjohnson - hmm seem to recall quite a few Australian headlines recently about drunken Irish yobs . Pretty certain if you go to any holiday spot the British & Irish are lumped together - the drunken yob culture is rampant in both

ancavker - there is a difference between loyalty to being British and loyalty to the government of the day

Was in Mirabela some years ago and the concierge was a little apprehensive until he realised we were not British. The hotel had every article of furniture bolted to the floor. A Canadian (with a sense of humour) who had a restaurateur with a sign stating "we speak Canadian" was vilified by some english football thugs demanding he should delete "Canadian"from his sign and insert "English"

The incident is just typical of core british values - at least it wasn't as bad as Holy Cross where they terrorized school children. Re bogsidebritroll, no one compares to the english in terms of drunken, obnoxious and violent behavior - see the well documented holidays in spain (and any other area unfortunate enough to suffer their plague) football hooligans, etc. The Irish have a much better worldwide reputation.

kilsally: The signing of the Covenant was treason against the same British government you and your ancestors claimed to be loyal to.

Er,so what's new? In "norn iland" this is par for the course. Is'nt this just another space filler-a slow news day?

Very funny johnshiel, as they say about Gerry Adams he eats shoots and leaves!

What a dick. Maybe he thought it was Brian Wilson's house.