Nobel Prize for literature winner Seamus Heaney has said there will never be a united Ireland and that Loyalists should be allowed to fly their flag over Belfast City Hall.
Heaney, born a Catholic in rural Derry, and has refused many British honors, made his remarks in an interview with The Times of London.
The poet has sometimes been accused of not writing about Northern Ireland issues so his comments are unexpected. He said Loyalists should be allowed to fly their flags as not to do so is very dangerous.
He addressed the Loyalist protests since Belfast City Council voted to only fly the Union Jack on 15 days of the year as it is in every other British jurisdiction.
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“It’s very dangerous indeed. Somebody made this remark, and it made me alert to a new possibility — they said, if this goes on until the marching season, everything is, in a sense, lost.”
The Loyalists, he says, “perceive themselves as almost deserted. And right enough. I think Sinn Fein could have taken it easy. No hurry on flags. Jesus.”
“What does it matter? But — it matters utterly to them. And now there’s no way they’re going to go back on it, of course. As someone who knows something of prejudice, from early on, I can understand the Loyalists — but the unremittingness of it ... I remember, at the very beginning of the Troubles in Derry, Eddie McAteer, a big Nationalist politician, he was like the paterfamilias of Nationalism. And he said, ‘both sides are entitled to their pageantry!’ Which was a rather grand utterance, but true enough. But there’s no doubt that the Loyalist side take the pageantry to extremes, they wipe the floor with the others.”
“Loyalism, or Unionism, or Protestantism, or whatever you want to call it, in Northern Ireland it operates not as a class system, but a caste system. And they [the Loyalists] have an entitlement factor running: the flag is part of it. There’s never going to be a united Ireland, you know,” he says. “So why don’t you let them fly the flag?”
In 1982 Heaney objected to being called a British poet. He wrote: “My passport’s green/No glass of ours was ever raised/to toast the Queen.”
He also refused the opportunity to become the United Kingdom’s Poet Laureate, saying: “I’ve nothing against the Queen personally: I had lunch at the Palace once upon a time.”
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.barneyjo | Feb 02, 2013, 10:34 PM EST
@seamus60 - I would never seek to lecture anyone on any subject. Like you I also have view which is informed by my own view and my understanding of life in the land of my birth, and where I have lived all my life, and where I STILL live to this very day. Yes I do regard your views as selfish, and indeed you compound them in your last post by your will to expose the treason of which you speak. By definition, you call me a traitor, because I voted in support of the ratification of the GFA, and in doing so are labelling all those who so voted as traitors. I your viewpoint is in my opinon as egotistical, as it is ill-informed. You useadjectives almost as a surrogate machine gun which gives you leave to hope that your views or opinions count for more than mine, or for that matter for the many hundreds of thousands who had the courage to disagree with you in 1998, and still have the courage to do so today. Do not forget that those who hold a similar view to your own have offered themselves as candidates on an anti-agreement platform many times since the GFA was signed, and without success. And that is 15 years ago. And one final question. When was the last time you visited Free Derry Corner? I was there after christmas. As I have to pass the area in connection with work, I sometimes stop and visit the memorial to the bloody sunday victims in Glenfada park. I reflect on how far we have come since that awful time, but realise the journey is not over by any means; for like I have said before "peace comes dropping slow"
seamus60 | Feb 02, 2013, 05:15 AM EST
Barneyjo. Don`t lecture me on people who have died for the flag. I have carried a few of their coffins as both friens and comrades. They volunteered as per the Proclamation and continued to believe in the same until it either achieved its objectives or its objectives were changed by the people of the 32. Once those objectives were traded away in some back room in whitehall or where ever, the Volunteer was no longer that as they hadn`t a clue of the new dirty agenda. The selfishness you attribute to me is driven by the will to expose the treason mentioned above and the fact that so many lives were wasted for nothing more than Sunningdale. Bernadette spoke well on Sunday. She only had to say how she spoke on the same platform at Free Derry Corner in 72 about Internment and didn`t have to change any of her speech for the same today. Apart from the fact that collaborators now assist in the regime.
seanomelb | Feb 01, 2013, 09:17 PM EST
barney gas a oneeyed view of Irish history and forgets that the majority voted for a republic and were denied by a British act of parliament and a treaty which they reneged on.Irish history did not begin with 1998,sir!!
barneyjo | Feb 01, 2013, 07:19 PM EST
@seamus60 - No Sir, you most definitely the dissenter in this. And the ultimate manifestation of this is that you are content to wrap yourself in the Tri-colour for the presrvation of nothing more than your dignity??? I would remind you that many have died for that flag; you obviously have not. That to me, is selfishness of the grossest kind. And it does NOTHING to further the cause, you purportedly serve. You see, our day HAS come, and you cannot see it. The value of dignity, be it yours or mine, pails into insignificance when taken against this land and its people. Ignore my words by all means, but at the same time, watch the value of your dignity vanish with the years !!
seamus60 | Feb 01, 2013, 01:26 PM EST
barneyjo. Thank you for the very long winded acknowledgement that SF are the dissenters who have tried to rewrite our Proclamation in an effort to make it fit their new agenda. You appear to believe your kind words might convince me to followsuit. Sorry not for sale, not even an average industrial wage could ply meself and many others away from our dignity. When its gone ,its gone.
barneyjo | Feb 01, 2013, 09:45 AM EST
@seamus60 - as with all of us, "your day has come" and in the same way for us all "your day will be gone" it falls to each of us to decide how best to fill the time in between. I refer to all the people of Ireland who voted for the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. They made the choice to no longer seek to "Reach the Future" through the past. And more especially, the Irish Nation has rejected the notion that you can actually "Carve Tomorrow form a Tombstone" You cant. It hasnt worked in the past; it wont work in the future. Oh indeed I have read the Proclamation, and I for one would not wish to put any limitations on how Ireland can "Cherish all the children of the Nation equally" As of now, the "fourth green field" is lost to the Nation, for the simple reason that a majority of those who live there wish it so. And, it will remain that way until that status quo changes!!
seamus60 | Feb 01, 2013, 09:08 AM EST
Barneyjo. So you have not read the Proclamation. The one SF have dissented from to suit their new agenda.. Anyway they can call me whatever they like as some who now dawn the SF label with so much pride at one time called me a Provie Bast..d. which didn`t bother me either.
barneyjo | Feb 01, 2013, 07:57 AM EST
@warrenpoint00 - of course they are dissidents and can rightly be labelled as such. They oppose the stated will of the people of Ireland, ratified by plebicite. Some are even prepared to oppose the will of the people by force of arms. In some circles that would be termed as fascism, but not in Ireland where the physical force tradition is a cherished notion and deeply rooted in the psyche. Happily of course, that is on the wane, and with each new generation it will continue to be so. To paraphrase Pearse "Ireland, at peace, will finally be free"!!
seamus60 | Feb 01, 2013, 02:36 AM EST
Warrenpoint00. Doesn`t matter what me or you want to call them. If they question or redicule the SF party or its leadership, they are automatically labelled dissidents out to destroy the peace process.
seanomelb | Feb 01, 2013, 01:59 AM EST
Audrey is a serving member of the Iris army and audrey will obey the Government regardless what party is in power and she has sworn to do so. Hoew could pea brain obtain a commission?? maybe it's because daddy is a retired Colonel.
warrenpoint00 | Jan 31, 2013, 04:30 PM EST
I agree with Seamus that there is a rapidly growing number of republican and nationalist,s in Ireland opposed to Gerry and the way he is promoting and presenting our traditional republican values and beliefs.I would not call them dissident,s ,just because they do not agree with Gerry and Sinn Feins government assisted program, does not categorize those people as dissidents.I think it should also be understood that just because those same people do not agree with the GFA, that they should not be categorized as dissident republicans against peace .
seamus60 | Jan 31, 2013, 01:02 PM EST
Only last week Adams admitted during an interview, the people he had the pleasure to serve as a politician for decades in West Belfast would have no problem if faced with the hard biting austerity measures in the South, ( wait for it) because they have never known any thing else. Would he use the same argument if asked what he and the likes of Morrison had actually achieved in their decades of representation. LOL
seamus60 | Jan 31, 2013, 01:01 PM EST
Only last week Adams admitted during an interview, the people he had the pleasure to serve as a politician for decades in West Belfast would have no problem if faced with the hard biting asterity measures in the South, ( wait for it) because they have never known any thing else. Would he use the same argument if asked what he and the likes of Morrison had actually achieved in their decades of representation. LOL
seamus60 | Jan 31, 2013, 12:55 PM EST
Pilib04. Dissidents are growing in strength by the day. The Bloody Sunday march last week a very good example, doubled in size from last yaer. SF appear to be taking dissidents very seriously when they have been trying their hardest to have such marchs resigned to the history books. Danny Bangers on the other hand has surely become an embarrassment, getting caught out telling porkies at every corner is a real accomplishment at being nothing less than a bad liar at that. Worse again when the biggest lies were on what actually happened to the last six brave Hunger strikers you believe he served so well. You really should put your brain in gear before writing such dribble. How do you expect people to take you seriously.
audreybolton | Jan 31, 2013, 12:28 PM EST
pilibox04, So Sinn Fein will eventually govern the Irish Republic will they? Do let the rest of know when this miracle will happen and how it will come about? The majority in the State (including the Irish security forces) be interested.
puffin | Jan 31, 2013, 06:31 AM EST
Willie thank-you for those kind thoughts,
Portia_O'Neill | Jan 31, 2013, 04:13 AM EST
Seamus Heaney rejects violence and bloodshed in the name of unity. He's right, the peace process is worth it.
Willie Frazer | Jan 30, 2013, 11:11 PM EST
Puffin ,you need to turn the other cheek.Blessed are the weak for they shall obtain mercy.God be with you
curtisjohnson | Jan 30, 2013, 09:41 PM EST
Portia_O'Neill "Seamus Heaney is right on the money with this call. Why encourage rioting and bloodshed over a stupid flag." To expose the supremacist nature of the planter/unionist mentality to the world the way it was during the Holy Cross fiasco.
Portia_O'Neill | Jan 30, 2013, 08:55 PM EST
Seamus Heaney is right on the money with this call. Why encourage rioting and bloodshed over a stupid flag.
pilib04 | Jan 30, 2013, 08:24 PM EST
Seamus60, you actually think dissidents are taken seriously (or your opinion)? Sinn Fein is governing Northern Ireland and will soon be governing the Republic. Sinn Fein is moving both Northern Ireland and the Republic towards the eventual reunification of our island. Danny Morrison is a fine gentleman who has dedicated his life to Irish freedom and Irish POWS. Besides his work with the Bobby Sands Trust and the work on The Blanket, Danny is an accomplished, published writer.
pilib04 | Jan 30, 2013, 07:20 PM EST
Seamus60, you actually think dissidents are taken seriously (or your opinion)? Sinn Fein is governing Northern Ireland and will soon be governing the Republic. Sinn Fein is moving both Northern Ireland and the Republic towards the eventual reunification of our island. Danny Morrison is a fine gentleman who has dedicated his life to Irish freedom and Irish POWS. Besides his work with the Bobby Sands Trust and the work on The Blanket, Danny is an accomplished, published writer.
pilib04 | Jan 30, 2013, 07:18 PM EST
Seamus60, you actually think dissidents are taken seriously (or your opinion)? Sinn Fein is governing Northern Ireland and will soon be governing the Republic. Sinn Fein is moving both Northern Ireland and the Republic towards the eventual reunification of our island. Danny Morrison is a fine gentleman who has dedicated his life to Irish freedom and Irish POWS. Besides his work with the Bobby Sands Trust and the work on The Blanket, Danny is an accomplished, published writer.
pilib04 | Jan 30, 2013, 07:18 PM EST
Seamus60, you actually think dissidents are taken seriously (or your opinion)? Sinn Fein is governing Northern Ireland and will soon be governing the Republic. Sinn Fein is moving both Northern Ireland and the Republic towards the eventual reunification of our island. Danny Morrison is a fine gentleman who has dedicated his life to Irish freedom and Irish POWS. Besides his work with the Bobby Sands Trust and the work on The Blanket, Danny is an accomplished, published writer.
puffin | Jan 30, 2013, 05:39 PM EST
Not allowed to have an opinion on this thread I am Unionist
seanomelb | Jan 30, 2013, 05:29 PM EST
PRESS SUBMIT THEN REFRESH AND WE CAN CUT OUT MULTIPLE ENTRIES.
seanomelb | Jan 30, 2013, 03:29 PM EST
@warrenpointoo - I would be off the view that the upcoming Referendum on Scotland's continued participation within the Union of the United Kingdom will be very telling in a number of ways. It will perhaps provide the template for any eventual plebicite in Ireland to decide the future path of the Irish Nation. It will also show, I believe the very considerable State and societal forces that will be ranged against any change to the current status quo, both within these islands. You see them beginning to mass already; in Europe, and in the USA with the doomful predictions of what would happen to the UK and by extension the European economy, if Scotland did choose to assert its right to independence. And it will be no different in Ireland. Major vested interests will go to considerable lengths to scare the electorate, to divide them, and thus retain the status quo, albeit with some minor tinkering in Scotland, with a nod to the idea of "Devo Max" but not really amounting to much. It is the world in which we live and I very much doubt that at present, the Spirit of Man will be sufficiently robust to see past the scare tactics and disinformation. And in this way, the status quo will for the most part remain in place for the forseeable future at least!!
warrenpoint00 | Jan 30, 2013, 12:40 PM EST
BarneyJoe you are absolutely right the unionists will not be coerced into a united Ireland.The partitionist mindset of those that live in the Irish free state will contribute little to a reunited Ireland . Republican militancy will not contribute to it either.The nationalist majority will be enhanced by the multi-culture society our nation is fast becoming.british loyalism will not have a veto over the wishes of the Irish people anymore.british Unionism, one day will become an irrelevant institute in our nation, but Ulster presbyterian,s on the other hand will contribute much to our new and united nation.I think it is profoundly reckless and certainly not a very poetic submission by Mr Heaney, that there " Never" will be a united Ireland.These are certainly not the expressed views of respected and revered Irish nationalists you talk about, this seems to be the narrow minded vision of an irrelevant washed up old poet .
ancavker | Jan 30, 2013, 09:18 AM EST
I think we are putting too much emphasis on the this so called Northern Irish Identity. It is still Irish. I believe the people that use it (and I can say I neve hear it, and I am in Fermanagh every year) do so to differentiate themselves from those southern Irish in the 26 counties who abandoned them.
ancavker | Jan 30, 2013, 09:18 AM EST
I think we are putting too much emphasis on the this so called Northern Irish Identity. It is still Irish. I believe the people that use it (and I can say I neve hear it, and I am in Fermanagh every year) do so to differentiate themselves from those southern Irish in the 26 counties who abandoned them.
ancavker | Jan 30, 2013, 09:17 AM EST
I think we are putting too much emphasis on the this so called Northern Irish Identity. It is still Irish. I believe the people that use it (and I can say I neve hear it, and I am in fermangh every year) do so to differentiate themselves from those southern Irish in the 26 counties who abandoned them.
solyeant | Jan 30, 2013, 06:47 AM EST
Can't see this going down to well in Swatragh or Slaughtmanus but it might work in Dalkey or the greystone Home for Disconnected Scribes and Pharisees perhaps . and even if nobody nowadays gives a monkies about Heaney these days the colour of his coat is still green n'est-ce pas?
Smyrnian | Jan 30, 2013, 06:05 AM EST
Mousemess - take it easy with the multiple posts!
barneyjo | Jan 30, 2013, 05:10 AM EST
@warrenpoint00 - first off, I never said at any stage that I did not believe that you were not from Warrenpoint. However, given the inherent vagueness in the political currency of some of your views and statements on current political issues here, I believe I have good cause to wonder whether or not you were or are actually viewing them here or from afar. At the end of the day, I have no way of being fully certain that you are resident here as you say, or you have no way of fully proving on this site that you are. Your opinion on Seamus Heaney's view is hardly surprising given the political credo and philosophy you espouse. I can reasonably assume that had Heaney expressed the contrary view that Loyalist protestors should be beaten of the streets, that yourself and others would have led the clarion call of "Well Said Seamus" I say this with respect of course, as a view contrary to your own. I say this as life-long student of history of this place and an observer of daily life. I for one share Heaney's wish that "hope and history" can rhyme in this land that we all love, but I differ significantly in my views on how this will be achieved. I am certain that it will NOT be by an increasing Nationalist Majority in NI. I am certain that it will not be by the coercion of Unionism. If not this way then, how? By consensus and by mutual respect gained over several life times (beyond yours and mine) Last words to Mr Yeats "For I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow"!!
Silling | Jan 30, 2013, 03:32 AM EST
This is just a Heaney metaphor. There will never be: is not the same as There never will be:
anglo-norman | Jan 30, 2013, 12:06 AM EST
I am for a United Ireland & I believe it will happen one day but attitudes have to change
warrenpoint00 | Jan 29, 2013, 11:13 PM EST
BarneyJoe for the last time,I am from Warrenpoint ,Co Down.I disagree with you on the views Seamus Heaney articulates, most Irish nationalists will disagree with him as well of course.At this particular time it is quite reckless for Mr Heaney to be patronizing loyalist thugs with their terrorist attacks, involving the removal of a british flag from Belfast city hall.Just to remind you and Mr Heaney the removal of this flag was a democratic decision by elected representatives of the people .As for Mr Heaney being a credible force within the republican/nationalist community,I totally disagree with you on that as well.Anyone who makes a pathetic statement to the effect that our nation will" Never" be reunited , never could or never will have much credibility among the nationalist population of Ireland.I am sure Mr Heaney and his shi..e poetry will contribute little to the reunification of Ireland, as a poster on on this site commented "who really cares what Seamus Heaney thinks". I agree.
Searlit | Jan 29, 2013, 09:46 PM EST
Okay now guys don't take offense about the comments. I love Ireland as much as you do.
seamus60 | Jan 29, 2013, 06:58 PM EST
Adams and Mc Guinness have said a lot worse than Heany, no one threatening them, can`t see Seamus loosing any sleep.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:22 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:22 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:20 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 06:20 PM EST
Searlit, The Irish language "Tuaisceart na hEireann" for the region (meaning the North of Ireland), has a nice enough ring to its sound and best of all is in the native Irish language.
Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM EST
oops, two many Jai's
Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:07 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:06 PM EST
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Greendays | Jan 29, 2013, 06:04 PM EST
Quit lollygagging; take it down- Jai Ghandi Jai Jai Ji!
anglo-norman | Jan 29, 2013, 06:00 PM EST
seanomelb- the aussie spouts more crap
seamus60 | Jan 29, 2013, 05:17 PM EST
Pilib04. Ye do yourself no favours with your opinion of Danny Morrison, director of the Bobby Sands trust even though Bobbys own family have asked him and others to stand down and refrain from taking any more political mileage from the brave sacrifice of Bobby and others. You would not have had to meet Morrison either to know he is a proven liar and become nothing more than a deflector for Adams redicule. You should read up more on factual material that is readily available if you want to be taken seriously.
seanomelb | Jan 29, 2013, 05:07 PM EST
Give an Irishman a little fame and he loses his heritage.Seamus's piece above denies nationalists their pride and rights. The Orange mob will not give an inch(as usual) and Heaney has just given them a spoonful of orange exclusivity.
Rebelforce | Jan 29, 2013, 04:21 PM EST
If Heaney agrees that both sides are entitled to their pageantry (parity of esteem) why isn't he advocating that both the Irish and the English flags be flown over Belfast city hall? Does senility cause the colonial mindset or does the colonial mindset cause senility?
bob mcbride | Jan 29, 2013, 04:12 PM EST
Who cares what Seamus Heaney thinks!
barneyjo | Jan 29, 2013, 03:59 PM EST
@warrenpoint00 - derogatory comments about Seamus Heaney do little to enhance the view you espouse. Indeed they go some way to convincing me that in fact you do not live in Ireland as you claim but rather you are observing events here from afar. If you were resident here, you would be aware of the esteem and respect in which this man is held by all shades of Nationalism/ Republicanism. And I am sure that he had good reason to articulate his views at this particular time. And as regards the quality of his writings, can I direct you to one poem in particular "The Cure at Troy" in which he is more aspirational for this land than most of us will be in our life times. One line to whet your whistle; "So hope for a great sea change on the far side of revenge, and believe that far shore is reachable from here" Heaney, like many of his true Irish brothers & sisters is searching for a new path so that finally "Hope & History" will finally rhyme in this land. Alternatively can I suggest that you may find either Walt Whitman or Robert Frost more palletable to your poetic tastes :)
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 03:55 PM EST
@barneyjo The Irish have waited a few hundred years already, so whats a decade or two more? Polls are like the bible, you can read anything into them that you want. I wouldn't take much comfort on either side if I only have poll results to back me up. As regards to the Irish economy, it has surprised before and might just do so again. As I look at the news lately, the british economy seems to be dipping as well. Misery loves company!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least we both have front row seats in the show about to start!
barneyjo | Jan 29, 2013, 03:36 PM EST
@stephendoyle - yours is a highly aspirational view, certainly, and certainly not ranting. You may be right on the money in your assessment but who knows? I would point to several factors that may impact on your analysis; 1) I take it you are aware of the level of National Debt currently being carried by the Irish State, and which is at present being underwritten by Troika. Estimates on the time taken to pay back these debts vary anywhere between 15 - 25 years or more, but I am sure it will be most welcome to every household in the Republic which is contributing to the repayment of that debt either directly or indirectly, to have that weight lifted from their shoulders much sooner than later. 2) As regards Scotland leaving the Union, the polls at present do not seem to support your hypothesis. Anecdotally, anyone who travelled in Scotland last year will tell you that city town and village across the country were festooned with the Union Jack, admittedly along side the Saltire. Increasingly also Alex Salmond is finding it very difficult to convince that the sums he presents on independence to the Scottish people actually add up. 3) Regarding an emerging Nationalist Majority in NI, I would direct you to the recent census results which identified 23% of respondents content to identify themselves with the Tag of "Northern Irish" and that this sector is more emergent from the Nationalist community rather than from their Unionist Neighbours. Still, you could be right though!!
CitizenWhy | Jan 29, 2013, 03:18 PM EST
As a person of deep feeling and thought, he addresses the situation as a complex human issue, not a simple doctrinal/ideological issue. He'll probably get himself shot, so he's a brave man to speak up. If the fanatics do kill him he should be given a state funeral by Ireland, Britain and Northern Ireland.
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 03:11 PM EST
@Warrenpoint00 LOL< as I review my spelling, looks like I should have spent more time with bookks! Oh well,,,,,,,,,,
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 03:09 PM EST
@Warrenpoint00 Never did like peotry, in my book it was for faries. Seemed like I was always too busy working or making a stand to be reading little ditties that had rymes. Hope he moves to britian where he can have crumpets with the royalty while we get on with the business of uniting this country......
warrenpoint00 | Jan 29, 2013, 02:48 PM EST
Exactly Stephen, what other kind of statement would you expect from someone who was submerged in books, while his neighbors ,those hardy nationalist souls of Derry were out defending their burning homes from those same loyalists mobs that he is now sympathetic with. Funny how these pen pushers only speak out when they feel that it is safe for them to do so.By the way his poetry is sh... too.
merefalow | Jan 29, 2013, 02:24 PM EST
never is a long time,i dont supose the jews ever doubted that they would regain their country back from the invader iether,ireland belongs inalienly to the irish nation long denied by a brutality and injustice of epic proportions,a country where the american negro obtained one man one vote before the indiginous irish in thier own country(how unjust was that)now this bigoted band can either accept the justice they denied others for so long or they can retire to the country that suported their dominant injustice for so long,and fly and wave their bloody flag to their little outspan hearts content,because ireland will be united,one way or another.
Smyrnian | Jan 29, 2013, 02:21 PM EST
Maybe he needs to stick with poetry!
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 02:09 PM EST
@seamus60 Look at him in the picture of this article. He has clearly lost his way. Looks like he is searching for the path. Unfortunately he has spent too much time buried in books and words and has not gotten out in the real world lately. Tis a pity he can't see what is so clearly right in front of him, a united Ireland.
pilib04 | Jan 29, 2013, 02:08 PM EST
Seamus Heaney is a treasured poet. I think he has veered off the path on several occasions when it comes to Northern Ireland. Heaney, like others, is simply conceding to the Unionist Veto. I believe that Irish Central reported on Heaney's misrepresentation of Danny Morrison, director of the Bobby Sands Trust. Danny addresses the Heaney misrepresentation in an article on the Bobby Sands Trust website entitled. Seamus Heaney Disputed. I've met Danny Morrison and he is straight up fellow. I have never met Seamus Heaney.
seamus60 | Jan 29, 2013, 01:59 PM EST
Stephan, Wasn`t that long ago we had people drumming it in that we would have achieved the ultimate goal by twenty sixteen. Any way I sincerely hope his prediction is merely a symptom of the illness he is presently suffering from.
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 01:33 PM EST
@Searlit Northeast,southeast,north,south. You can call it any point/direction on the compass you like. It's real name is IRELAND and all the other names are but directions or points on the Emerald Isle. Ireland is it's true name as a whole though, some people just can't remember that fact though.........
Mousemess | Jan 29, 2013, 01:20 PM EST
Nach mbeidh Eire aontaithe riamh? Ceard ata a ra aige? Fan go bhfeicimid faoi sin la eigin. Won't ever be a united Eire? What is being said by him? Wait and we will see about that some day.
Searlit | Jan 29, 2013, 01:17 PM EST
Northeast Ireland, says falconflash. It has a nice sound to it. Maybe calling it a different name would be better for all the inhabitants.
ancavker | Jan 29, 2013, 01:07 PM EST
eschai: The Irish may not have wanted complete separation from England, but they were always overwhelmingly nationalist, and wanted Home Rule. This was because they never thought they could defeat the English and Home Rule was the best the most they could get. Once 1916 came about, they saw that there were still Irish people who would fight for Irish freedom. 1918 and the war of independence showed that they could actually force Britain to the table, and negogiate real freedom. In other words that the Irish could win. That freedom that those men and women achieved for Ireland was far greater than any thing that Home Rule would have ever offered. Of course later generations of Irish made a mess of that freedom.
ancavker | Jan 29, 2013, 12:44 PM EST
eschai: The Irish may not have wanted complete separation from England, but they were always overwhelmingly nationalist, and wanted Home Rule. This was because they never thought they could defeat the English and Home Rule was the best the most they could get. Once 1916 came about, they saw that there were still Irish people who would fight for Irish freedom. 1918 and the war of independence showed that they could actually force Britain to the table, and negogiate real freedom. In other words that the Irish could win. That freedom that those men and women achieved for Ireland was far greater than any thing that Home Rule would have ever offered. Of course later generations of Irish made a mess of that freedom.
ancavker | Jan 29, 2013, 12:44 PM EST
eschai: The Irish may not have wanted complete separation from England, but they were always overwhelmingly nationalist, and wanted Home Rule. This was because they never thought they could defeat the English and Home Rule was the best the most they could get. Once 1916 came about, they saw that there were still Irish people who would fight for Irish freedom. 1918 and the war of independence showed that they could actually force Britain to the table, and negogiate real freedom. In other words that the Irish could win. That freedom that those men and women achieved for Ireland was far greater than any thing that Home Rule would have ever offered. Of course later generations of Irish made a mess of that freedom.
ancavker | Jan 29, 2013, 12:44 PM EST
eschai: The Irish may not have wanted complete separation from England, but they were always overwhelmingly nationalist, and wanted Home Rule. This was because they never thought they could defeat the English and Home Rule was the best the most they could get. Once 1916 came about, they saw that there were still Irish people who would fight for Irish freedom. 1918 and the war of independence showed that they could actually force Britain to the table, and negogiate real freedom. In other words that the Irish could win. That freedom that those men and women achieved for Ireland was far greater than any thing that Home Rule would have ever offered. Of course later generations of Irish made a mess of that freedom.
ancavker | Jan 29, 2013, 12:37 PM EST
If the unionists want us to believe that the north is just another part of theU.K., then why do they need to fly the flag every day as opposed to the rest of the U.K. where it is only flown on designated days. If they want to be considered as just another part of the U.K. they the same rules/regulations should apply. They defeat their own argument.
cillowen | Jan 29, 2013, 12:05 PM EST
Met the freak in Tokyo with another Tony O'Reilly a knighted quisling. such humans keep revealing themselves time and time again.The millions exterminated by the benelovent mother make for much puking at the thought of the creepy belly crawlers .
SeamusMor | Jan 29, 2013, 11:54 AM EST
Seamus Heeney is a National Treasure. His eloquence, insight, and wisdom are manifest in his every utterance. I hope that he is wrong about Irish unity not being possible. The Protestant minority is safe and prosperous in 26 counties, and, God willing, they will one day be just as safe and prosperous 32 counties.
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 11:48 AM EST
@barneyjo - Things started slow after the accords but are picking up speed. Would youi ever have thought we would see city hall without a 'jack' flying in our lifetime? The Irish economy is changing and will be the Celtic tiger it once was, the lower corporate tax rates will see to that. Britian will be tired of the 'mess' that is happenning in the North, Scotland will split and also the welfare costs of the North will become unbearable to the british mainland citizen. Lastly the shift in Catholic vs Protestant populations will favor the Nationalists, as you have seen the shift already starting. Call this the rantings of a lunatic if you like, but this ishe way of things now and is probably irreversable. And most importantly, a land, a people, a heritage, an island was cannot be split.
cillowen | Jan 29, 2013, 11:42 AM EST
censor ship dowd and quislings phoneys
barneyjo | Jan 29, 2013, 11:39 AM EST
@stephendoyle - I will put the same question to you as I put to another poster in the course of debating the same issue; "where is the dynamic going to come from to lead to the unification of which you speak, and within a decade?" And as a follow-up, how do you pursuade several hundred thousand Unionists and others in NI to buy into the political dispensation and model to which you allude, when those same Unionists have absolutely no allegiance to it, or are not even prepared to consider it at this stage? I look forward to your reply :)!!
cillowen | Jan 29, 2013, 11:23 AM EST
Beowolf stricken NIR-UKer wuzzey.
falconflash | Jan 29, 2013, 11:12 AM EST
Until complete re-unification the place should be more accurately known as Northeast Ireland...more geographically accurate. For now.
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 10:59 AM EST
@hughmc 10 years. within 10 years Ireland will be united. And that is at the outside edge of the timeline. Probably before then is my bet.
hughmc | Jan 29, 2013, 10:51 AM EST
Seamus Heaney may have a point about flying the Union flag over City Hall in Belfast. The decision by Belfast City Council to restrict the number of days when that flag would fly seemed reasonable to nationalists,as a sign that there was going to be some parity of esteem for the two political traditions in the North. But, unfortunatley, many loyalists are paranoid about their security within Ireland and within the UK. So they are obsessed with flags & symbols of their identity, as they see it. So, it probably would have been wiser to leave the flag situation alone for the foreseeable future. Seamus is also right that a United Ireland is not a runner in the foreseeable future. But one can never say never. In time, if peace is maintained, attitudes might begin to soften among loyalists & unionists. But it will take a long time. The Orange Order's insistence on marching around the North for months in the summer doesn't help. Fewer marches and fewer commemorations are what Northern Ireland needs now. And patient bridge-building between the communities.
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 10:50 AM EST
@Eschetic - Thank God the days of someone stepping off a boat and planting a flag in the ground to claim it for a family of inbreds are long gone. As for your long term goal of a "united british isles", I am not sure the Irish would like to colonize britian. The people there and the land itself leaves a bad aftertaste in an Irish mouth. The days of the empire are long gone, get with the times........
Eschetic | Jan 29, 2013, 10:40 AM EST
"Never" is an extremely long time. I don't see either Irish union or RE-union a practical likelihood in the foreseeable future (too many variables and conflicting agendas), but it is worth remembering - as they acknowledge at the National Museum in Dublin - that despite the years of mismanagement and downright oppression, the majority of the Irish were not for DIS-Union with the British until their grossly mismanaged handling of the Easter Rebellion in 1916 (and even that was semi-understandable given the timing at the height of WWI!). Speaking as one who, only half in jest, declared it his "Bicentennial Project" in 1976 to affect a reconciliation between the erstwhile Colonies in North America (the U.S.) and the Mother Country (England), a reunion of all the British Isles is a worthy LONG TERM goal for all men and women of good will to be working toward. Divisive parochial nationalistic interests of smaller areas are not in the best economic interests of anyone so long as good government respects the rights and cultures of all within the larger union. If the last two centuries of U.S. history have proved nothing, they affirm that.
seanaci | Jan 29, 2013, 10:33 AM EST
You are half right, Mr. Heaney. The flag should be allowed to fly everywhere loyalists want to in Northern Ireland and that could make it easier to get a united Ireland in the long run. Proving that nationalists are no better than loyalists when they get the upper hand is counter-productive and a sad reflection on the fitness of Sinn Fein to lead anyone anywhere other than back into the past.
bunkerisland | Jan 29, 2013, 10:27 AM EST
We are entitled to our respective opinions, poet, politician or tinker, but that doesn't mean we all ride the same pony!
DrTrelawney | Jan 29, 2013, 10:18 AM EST
"England's hands are tied as it's there flag how can they not support the flying of there flag over an erea they claim as part of Great Britain. Good God. Where to begin with this? Try this... "The UK's [the "English" flag is the cross of St George] hands are tied as it's their [not "there"] flag. How can they not support the flying of their [again, not "there"] flag over an area [not "erea"] they claim as part of the United Kingdom [not "Great Britain"].
tony whelan | Jan 29, 2013, 09:57 AM EST
They have given the unionists an issue to rally around and they will. they will get support from around the world. England's hands are tied as it's there flag how can they not support the flying of there flag over an erea they claim as part of Great Britain.
slainte9 | Jan 29, 2013, 09:57 AM EST
A wishing for a united Ireland is an anachronism. The two Irelands are already one in the European Union, unless Britain decides to withdraw.
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 09:50 AM EST
@barneyjo - you are right, my Irish passport is actually a burgandy color and has EU on it. Ahhh, there's progress for you.But as a side note, an Irish passport is by far a safer passport to travel with. We tend not to piss other nations off as much as British,French,etc.....
barneyjo | Jan 29, 2013, 09:39 AM EST
@towngate & stephendoyle - actually if you check you will find you have THE SAME type of passport; European Standard Communities Model(a)
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 09:24 AM EST
@Towngate - You are right, My IRISH passport is not green now. Probably time for a renewal...........
Towngate | Jan 29, 2013, 09:15 AM EST
Finally Seamus has burbled something meningful,for a change! ~~~ He is a bit out of date with his 'Green Passport' baloney. His British Passport is Burgundy.
stephendoyle | Jan 29, 2013, 09:07 AM EST
Seamus - Stick to writing poetry, your ability to predict the future is seriously in doubt. Probably believed Dec.21 was the earth's last day too..............
navan004 | Jan 29, 2013, 08:59 AM EST
Seamus Heaney can be wrong too but he is entitled to his opinion.
thetint | Jan 29, 2013, 07:57 AM EST
He also said vote Yes on the Lisbon referendum for jobs. That worked out well.